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Post by chunkylover53 on Jun 29, 2007 12:52:50 GMT -5
While over-the-top characters and promos are nothing new(Hogan, Warrior, Savage), The Rock IMO emphasized it. I mean, his catchphrases became notable for "Know Your Role and Shut Your Mouth", "It dosen't matter", "Layeth the smackethdown on your candy-ass", "Pootang pie", and mocking his opponents. Now, The Rock has also done some serious promos with lots of emotion. You can say when it comes to promos, this future Hall of Famer has made an impact on the business(amongst other things). Which brings me to the case of John Cena and Mr Kennedy. To me, their promos remind me too much of The Rock. When John Cena cut that promo against Great Khali before Judgement Day, I died a bit on the inside. Word-for-word reminded me of The Great One. I can even hear Rocky chants after that. We all know Mr Kennedy likes to yell out his name at the end of his promos, and that reminds me of how Rock ended his promos with "If you smelllllll-la-la-la what The Rock.....is cooking". That's what I hate about modern-day WWE, they try to live off their past too much. They should make history with the present instead of trying to do things like worked only in the past. Does anybody else see where I'm coming from?
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Post by bigHEADinc on Jun 29, 2007 13:54:38 GMT -5
Good points but shouldn't this have been posted in WWE - Current?
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Post by The Scuba Guy on Jun 29, 2007 14:41:58 GMT -5
Often imitated, never duplicated - wasnt that RVDs thing?
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Jun 29, 2007 15:02:47 GMT -5
Therein lies the problem with the E period. Instead of getting guys who can actually, you know, wrestle they try to slap as many catchphrases on a guy in order to sell more t-shirts. How many moves did the Rock have? Five? How many catchphrased id he have? Quite a bit, and they tried to give him even more throughout his career. The Rock was the start of this trend and he was certainly a huge factor in my ever decreasing interest in wrestling at that time. During the Attitude seemingly everyone had a catchphrase. Either you had one or you didn't get pushed. The E has been doing this ever since, wrestling talent be damned.
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Post by Arthur Digby Stamp on Jun 29, 2007 15:32:50 GMT -5
Therein lies the problem with the E period. Instead of getting guys who can actually, you know, wrestle they try to slap as many catchphrases on a guy in order to sell more t-shirts. How many moves did the Rock have? Five? How many catchphrased id he have? Quite a bit, and they tried to give him even more throughout his career. The Rock was the start of this trend and he was certainly a huge factor in my ever decreasing interest in wrestling at that time. During the Attitude seemingly everyone had a catchphrase. Either you had one or you didn't get pushed. The E has been doing this ever since, wrestling talent be damned. I always felt like The Rock was underrated as a performer in the ring. And as long as we're on the five moves subject, virtually every guy in the company only uses five moves. |
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Jun 29, 2007 16:59:26 GMT -5
THE ROCK HAD MORE THAN FIVE MOVES. I've yet to see two Rock matches that are completely the same. He may have only used five moves per match, but he had way more than that, in addition to constantly stealing finishers.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jun 29, 2007 18:01:52 GMT -5
The Rock is definitely an underrated talent. He just had something about him. He was very quick in the ring. He could wrestle any match with anybody. He was willing to put people over.
And that's what I liked about Rock, as compared to John Cena. The Rock lost to guys lower then him a lot, and Rock would often be paired with an up and comer, and give them a great match, even if he won.
I've always considered John Cena a meshing of Hulk Hogan, Steve Austin and The Rock, but it's impossible to be all of them at once because while they were all top babyfaces, they were all different.
Anyway, I'm a big mark for The Rock. He constantly had great matches with everybody he was in the ring with. No, he wasn't the best technical wrestler, but he was very exciting in the ring. Rock certainly isn't to blame for lack of talent. The only thing Rock should be blamed for is being too successful, that the office wants to find the next him.
Also, there is this big misconception that the number of moves makes you better. I'd rather watch The Rock wrestle then almost every other wrestler with double or triple his moves. No one put on an entertaining and exciting match better then The Rock could.
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Post by tomservo23 on Jun 29, 2007 18:13:56 GMT -5
"And that's what I liked about Rock, as compared to John Cena. The Rock lost to guys lower then him a lot, and Rock would often be paired with an up and comer, and give them a great match, even if he won."
Is that Cena's fault, or the booking? I'm not a Cena hater or lover, but I think he works quite well with a wide variety of guys. Cena may not be as athletic as the Rock, but I think their styles are quite similiar, all things considered.
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Post by Super Nimieboo on Jun 29, 2007 18:15:26 GMT -5
The Rock was also hot, that plays a big role- every woman had to admit she'd do him.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jun 29, 2007 18:18:13 GMT -5
That is booking's fault. But another thing with Cena and Rock in comparison is selling.
When Rock got thrown through a table at the 2001 Royal Rumble, he sold it for awhile, came slowly in the ring, attacked Kane, but got cut off by Undertaker and went back to selling for most of the match until his come back until getting eliminated.
When John Cena got thrown through a table at Taboo Tuesday 2005, he sold it for awhile, came slowly in the ring, and then ran around attacking everybody like it was the opening spot, and it wasn't close to the comeback yet. Cena actually had to get cut off by being thrown into the crowd, lol.
I think Cena as well is a great talent, but I feel they're trying to make him too much like guys that were big money drawers, such as The Rock, instead of letting Cena be himself.
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Post by tomservo23 on Jun 29, 2007 18:25:54 GMT -5
Agree as usual with you, Andrew. The funny thing is, the WWE makes a lot of money with Cena, but they could make so much more if they just booked him well. I really think that Cena could be almost as good as Rock, if booked properly.
Cena has no Stone Cold or Foley, a blood enemy to play off of, that's the only problem.
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Post by T.J. "the Crippler" Stevens on Jun 29, 2007 18:49:58 GMT -5
I don't think the Rock was an underrated talent. If you threw him in the mix today, he'd be one of the top 5 guys in terms of talent. But even a few years ago when he was at his peak, he was one of the bottom 5. I think Chunkylover's right. I think it's the trend that began with Rock that caused that disparity.
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Post by Jiren on Jun 29, 2007 18:53:50 GMT -5
Rock's matches were always entertaining
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Post by skillz on Jun 29, 2007 20:11:39 GMT -5
Rock was the modern day Hogan. He could walk into the ring and just stare at the crowd for 5 minutes and get a bigger reaction than 99% of the roster. He didn't even have to do anything in the ring to have the crowd in the palm of his hand, and that takes rare talent.
Personally, I never found the Rock bad in the ring. He was athletic and had a great understanding of psychology, and that's really all you need. Fact is, he could make the most out of nothing. He was that good.
That's why I loved guys like Rock, Hogan, Jake, etc. They weren't killing themselves in the ring to get a reaction. They knew how to get one with ease.
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Post by chunkylover53 on Jun 29, 2007 23:46:27 GMT -5
Lets not bash The Rock's in-ring skills, He's known for his matches as well as his promos. If it wasn't for the ladder match he had with Triple H at Summerslam 98, he wouldn't be as big of a star as he is today.
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Post by rra on Jun 29, 2007 23:51:31 GMT -5
Lets not bash The Rock's in-ring skills, He's known for his matches as well as his promos. If it wasn't for the ladder match he had with Triple H at Summerslam 98, he wouldn't be as big of a star as he is today. Yeah, IWC is just being damn retarded with this one. Rock was LEGENDARY with his promo skills, and you know what? He was a great worker. Look at the great s*** he was involved with: Rock/Mankind "I Quit" Rock/Mankind Halftime Heat Empty Arena Match Rock/SCSA - Wrestlemania 1999 Rock/SCSA - Wrestlemania 2003 Rock/Hogan - Wrestlemania 2002 Rock/Triple H LADDER MATCH - SummerSlam 1998 And those are just the "off the top of my head" matches. Bret Hart was right, he was the total package, the franchise player. |
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Post by chunkylover53 on Jun 30, 2007 0:24:05 GMT -5
Lets not bash The Rock's in-ring skills, He's known for his matches as well as his promos. If it wasn't for the ladder match he had with Triple H at Summerslam 98, he wouldn't be as big of a star as he is today. Yeah, IWC is just being damn retarded with this one. Rock was LEGENDARY with his promo skills, and you know what? He was a great worker. Look at the great s*** he was involved with: Rock/Mankind "I Quit" Rock/Mankind Halftime Heat Empty Arena Match Rock/SCSA - Wrestlemania 1999 Rock/SCSA - Wrestlemania 2003 Rock/Hogan - Wrestlemania 2002 Rock/Triple H LADDER MATCH - SummerSlam 1998 And those are just the "off the top of my head" matches. Bret Hart was right, he was the total package, the franchise player. You forget his match with Stone Cold at Wrestlemania X-7(2001). |
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Post by rra on Jun 30, 2007 0:29:57 GMT -5
Yeah, IWC is just being damn retarded with this one. Rock was LEGENDARY with his promo skills, and you know what? He was a great worker. Look at the great s*** he was involved with: Rock/Mankind "I Quit" Rock/Mankind Halftime Heat Empty Arena Match Rock/SCSA - Wrestlemania 1999 Rock/SCSA - Wrestlemania 2003 Rock/Hogan - Wrestlemania 2002 Rock/Triple H LADDER MATCH - SummerSlam 1998 And those are just the "off the top of my head" matches. Bret Hart was right, he was the total package, the franchise player. You forget his match with Stone Cold at Wrestlemania X-7(2001). I didnt really, but I couldn't forget which year it was. Thanks for correcting me though. |
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Post by not doytch on Jun 30, 2007 0:35:49 GMT -5
Lets not bash The Rock's in-ring skills, He's known for his matches as well as his promos. If it wasn't for the ladder match he had with Triple H at Summerslam 98, he wouldn't be as big of a star as he is today. Yeah, IWC is just being damn retarded with this one. Rock was LEGENDARY with his promo skills, and you know what? He was a great worker. Look at the great s*** he was involved with: Rock/Mankind "I Quit" Rock/Mankind Halftime Heat Empty Arena Match Rock/SCSA - Wrestlemania 1999 Rock/SCSA - Wrestlemania 2003 Rock/Hogan - Wrestlemania 2002 Rock/Triple H LADDER MATCH - SummerSlam 1998 And those are just the "off the top of my head" matches. Bret Hart was right, he was the total package, the franchise player. He didn't only have good matches with top name stars. Some of the Rock's most entertaining matches were with midcarders like Al Snow, Gangrel, and Road Dogg. The great thing about those matches were that Rocky could make those guys seem like they had a chance. They weren't squashes at all. |
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Post by rra on Jun 30, 2007 0:39:17 GMT -5
Yeah, IWC is just being damn retarded with this one. Rock was LEGENDARY with his promo skills, and you know what? He was a great worker. Look at the great s*** he was involved with: Rock/Mankind "I Quit" Rock/Mankind Halftime Heat Empty Arena Match Rock/SCSA - Wrestlemania 1999 Rock/SCSA - Wrestlemania 2003 Rock/Hogan - Wrestlemania 2002 Rock/Triple H LADDER MATCH - SummerSlam 1998 And those are just the "off the top of my head" matches. Bret Hart was right, he was the total package, the franchise player. He didn't only have good matches with top name stars. Some of the Rock's most entertaining matches were with midcarders like Al Snow, Gangrel, and Road Dogg. The great thing about those matches were that Rocky could make those guys seem like they had a chance. They weren't squashes at all. Absolutely, and THANK YOU for pointing that fact out. Don't forget about that Lesner match where Rock jobbed for him. So yeah, thats why anyone that calls Rock crap in the ring really needs fresh air, some calcium, maybe a lay, and their head kicked in. |
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