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Post by leemir on Jun 30, 2007 15:53:01 GMT -5
I doubt he could apply the crossface to kid, the kids arm would be too small to lock between Beniot's massive thighs.
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Post by mightydavidson on Jun 30, 2007 15:56:05 GMT -5
found this Some notes from the new Observer. -Dave confirmed he used a form of the Crippler Crossface on Daniel. This is interesting since Bryan was adamant that the story was bullcrap. Apparently investigators found marks on the boys arm and neck that they didn't understand and upon watching a tape of a Benoit match and seeing the move it made sense. They just said it was a "choke" as to not further sensationalize an already sensationalized story /quote] I don't belive that for a second, especially since the police already confirmed how Daniel was killed. He was smothered, not choked. The folks at the Wrestling Observer should be ashamed of themselves for further sensationalising this case in such a manner.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jun 30, 2007 15:56:40 GMT -5
I doubt he could apply the crossface to kid, the kids arm would be too small to lock between Beniot's massive thighs. Maybe it was a modified version of it, still that's pretty damn sick and to me that pretty much destroys anything he did in the ring. I dunno, he probably snapped, I mean think of how he and Woman met, it wasn't exactly under normal circumstances, as she was still married to Sullivan.
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Post by CrazySting on Jun 30, 2007 15:58:39 GMT -5
Dave confirmed he used a form of the Crippler Crossface on Daniel. This is interesting since Bryan was adamant that the story was bullshit. Apparently investigators found marks on the boys arm and neck that they didn't understand and upon watching a tape of a Benoit match and seeing the move it made sense. They just said it was a "choke" as to not further sensationalize an already sensationalized story.
-Dave said Bryan was closer to Benoit (he found his writing hilarious) then he was and that Dave hardly ever talked to Chris (while Bryan seemed to indicate semi regular contact). Thought that was interesting as we rib Bryan about getting all his sources through Dave but I never thought he'd have more access to someone like Benoit then Dave.
-Benoit got a prescription for the anti-depressant Xanax at the doctor's visit on Friday.
-Benoit started going downhill after Eddy died because he lost the one guy who he could confide in and shared his problems with. Apparently close friends always knew Benoit had the same problems as Eddy (pills, etc.) and suggested Benoit seriously needed to see a therapist but no one suggested it since he wasn't the type to be open to that sort of thing.
-Apparently the death of Johnny Grunge hit Benoit even harder then Eddy since they were neighbors and him and Nancy fighting was somewhat common and he'd be the one to come over and defuse situations and make Chris laugh. After he died, Chris didn't have that buffer when things got out of control.
-Chris and Nancy had recently separated for a period of time, and Dave received a change of address form for an apartment different then their house (I believe Bryan mentioned he got a different address too).
-Chris recently opened up a new life insurance claim naming his ex-wife and his older 2 kids as the beneficiaries and refused to include Nancy or Daniel.
-When there were rumors of him leaving for TNA, Dave asked him about it and Chris was paranoid thinking Dave had inside info that WWE was going to release him. He apparently may have thought ECW was a demotion and the next step would be out the door. He was reportedly obsessed with establishing himself at the HHH/HBK level. He had grown increasingly paranoid that someone was out to get him and didn't let Nancy leave the house at night or Daniel to play outside and would take different routes from the airport home each time in case he was being followed.
-Nancy confided to a friend in wrestling days before the murders that she feared for her life and the friend told her to go take Daniel to her parents place in Florida (as she had done before when Chris became violent) but she didn't this time. Apparently she had a lockbox at the bank with notes indicating if something happened to her, it was Chris.
-Theory is that she told him she was leaving him for good and taking Daniel and that's when he snapped on her. Loved his son and when she filed for divorce all he wanted was joint custody. Theory is he killed Daniel because in his mind he couldn't bare to let him be alone without his parents and in his condition so it was a "mercy killing".
-Someone in WWE informed Dave before the RAW show that Chris had killed them, but others in the company were unaware but at least someone high up knew before the tribute show was put on the air.
-Dave says he can't write a proper obit/career retrospect and doesn't know if he ever will.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jun 30, 2007 15:59:56 GMT -5
I didn't agree with his final conclusion per se (McMahon can fix it if he wants), but I'm glad he brought up Angle. The very real concern about Angle when he was released/fired quickly gave way to the typical "Angle's crazy bwah ha ha"/"OMG Angle's being misused in TNA RAAHH" type of posts. Does anyone know if Angle's any better, physically/mentally, than he was last year? Or do we actually not care?
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Post by bigstamp2382 on Jun 30, 2007 16:05:27 GMT -5
Dave confirmed he used a form of the Crippler Crossface on Daniel. This is interesting since Bryan was adamant that the story was bullcrap. Apparently investigators found marks on the boys arm and neck that they didn't understand and upon watching a tape of a Benoit match and seeing the move it made sense. They just said it was a "choke" as to not further sensationalize an already sensationalized story. -Dave said Bryan was closer to Benoit (he found his writing hilarious) then he was and that Dave hardly ever talked to Chris (while Bryan seemed to indicate semi regular contact). Thought that was interesting as we rib Bryan about getting all his sources through Dave but I never thought he'd have more access to someone like Benoit then Dave. -Benoit got a prescription for the anti-depressant Xanax at the doctor's visit on Friday. -Benoit started going downhill after Eddy died because he lost the one guy who he could confide in and shared his problems with. Apparently close friends always knew Benoit had the same problems as Eddy (pills, etc.) and suggested Benoit seriously needed to see a therapist but no one suggested it since he wasn't the type to be open to that sort of thing. -Apparently the death of Johnny Grunge hit Benoit even harder then Eddy since they were neighbors and him and Nancy fighting was somewhat common and he'd be the one to come over and defuse situations and make Chris laugh. After he died, Chris didn't have that buffer when things got out of control. -Chris and Nancy had recently separated for a period of time, and Dave received a change of address form for an apartment different then their house (I believe Bryan mentioned he got a different address too). Chris recently opened up a new life insurance claim naming his ex-wife and his older 2 kids as the beneficiaries and refused to include Nancy or Daniel.
- -When there were rumors of him leaving for TNA, Dave asked him about it and Chris was paranoid thinking Dave had inside info that WWE was going to release him. He apparently may have thought ECW was a demotion and the next step would be out the door. He was reportedly obsessed with establishing himself at the HHH/HBK level. He had grown increasingly paranoid that someone was out to get him and didn't let Nancy leave the house at night or Daniel to play outside and would take different routes from the airport home each time in case he was being followed. -Nancy confided to a friend in wrestling days before the murders that she feared for her life and the friend told her to go take Daniel to her parents place in Florida (as she had done before when Chris became violent) but she didn't this time. Apparently she had a lockbox at the bank with notes indicating if something happened to her, it was Chris. -Theory is that she told him she was leaving him for good and taking Daniel and that's when he snapped on her. Loved his son and when she filed for divorce all he wanted was joint custody. Theory is he killed Daniel because in his mind he couldn't bare to let him be alone without his parents and in his condition so it was a "mercy killing". -Someone in WWE informed Dave before the RAW show that Chris had killed them, but others in the company were unaware but at least someone high up knew before the tribute show was put on the air. -Dave says he can't write a proper obit/career retrospect and doesn't know if he ever will. from another board Makes me wonder how long this was planned.
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Post by CrazySting on Jun 30, 2007 16:09:25 GMT -5
Poor Nancy. If only she had just taken Daniel and ran when Chris was on the road. Why did she have to bother with a confrontation?
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Post by tamuthetongantiger on Jun 30, 2007 16:10:59 GMT -5
Poor Nancy. If only she had just taken Daniel and ran when Chris was on the road. Why did she have to bother with a confrontation? Probably because, despite all of the problems, they were in love. And yes, that makes it worse.
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Post by CrazySting on Jun 30, 2007 16:12:39 GMT -5
Poor Nancy. If only she had just taken Daniel and ran when Chris was on the road. Why did she have to bother with a confrontation? Probably because, despite all of the problems, they were in love. And yes, that makes it worse. Honestly, if this has taught me, or any other woman anything...it should be if you think the guy will take you leaving him badly...don't tell him. Just run off at the best oppertunity.
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Post by bigstamp2382 on Jun 30, 2007 16:15:16 GMT -5
I personally can't stand men abusing women in any way due to personal reasons. (As my mom delt with it for years.) So this really stings a nerve with me to put it lightly.
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Post by Shy Guy on Jun 30, 2007 16:17:46 GMT -5
Probably because, despite all of the problems, they were in love. And yes, that makes it worse. Honestly, if this has taught me, or any other woman anything...it should be if you think the guy will take you leaving him badly...don't tell him. Just run off at the best oppertunity. i think its easier said then done..... but man...with every new detail, this whole thing just gets sicker and sicker.
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Post by capfan on Jun 30, 2007 16:28:15 GMT -5
Poor Nancy. If only she had just taken Daniel and ran when Chris was on the road. Why did she have to bother with a confrontation? Maybe she wanted to tell Chris face to face that it was over, and she never thought that he would kill her or their son. Maybe she thought that he would get mad and yell at her but thats it. I'm so mad at Chris, why couldn't he just been man enough to let her go.
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Post by CrazySting on Jun 30, 2007 16:29:57 GMT -5
Poor Nancy. If only she had just taken Daniel and ran when Chris was on the road. Why did she have to bother with a confrontation? Maybe she wanted to tell Chris face to face that it was over, and she never thought that he would kill her or their son. Maybe she thought that he would get mad and yell at her but thats it. I'm so mad at Chris, why couldn't he just been man enough to let her go. The fact that she kept a safetly deposit box as evidence in case he killed her is proof she knew how dangerous he was. I'm not blaming Nancy. I just really wish she'd have packed her bags and taken Daniel one of the times he was on the road.
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Post by bigstamp2382 on Jun 30, 2007 16:30:08 GMT -5
If people knew about the life insurance thing, even if you didn't think anything of it, I'd still think that's suspicious.
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Post by tamuthetongantiger on Jun 30, 2007 16:31:45 GMT -5
If people knew about the life insurance thing, even if you didn't think anything of it, I'd still think that's suspicious. Except that he committed suicide. No life insurance policy on Earth pays out for a suicide and pretty much everyone knows that. Otherwise, insurers would be on the hook for desperate people who would take their own lives in order to provide for their loved ones. A life insurance policy in the US hasn't paid out for a suicide in decades.
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Post by bigstamp2382 on Jun 30, 2007 16:33:15 GMT -5
I know, but it's still odd. He could have been thinking up other plans.
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Post by Widow's Peak on Jun 30, 2007 16:36:34 GMT -5
I'm so pissed off about this one. Why did hell did people cover up for him for so long? The rest of it just confirms that he'd been slowly dowing downhill mentally for a very long time. I wish someone had done something.
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Post by bigstamp2382 on Jun 30, 2007 16:38:32 GMT -5
Hindsight is always 20/20.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jun 30, 2007 16:42:46 GMT -5
I know, but it's still odd. He could have been thinking up other plans. Such as an "accidental" overdose?
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Post by tamuthetongantiger on Jun 30, 2007 16:44:02 GMT -5
Hindsight is always 20/20. Thanks for pointing that out. When you talk about intervening in some one's life due to psychological issues, you're really talking about a major interference. Nobody had a reason to think that what happened would happen. It was unimaginable until it was a fact. Don't blame people for not crossing very real personal boundaries in order to prevent something they wouldn't have suspected.
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