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Post by bigstamp2382 on Jun 30, 2007 16:53:18 GMT -5
I know, but it's still odd. He could have been thinking up other plans. Such as an "accidental" overdose? I was thinking more of a suicide made to look like a murder so it wouldn't look like his fault, thus the two older kids and ex-wife get the insurance.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jun 30, 2007 17:06:17 GMT -5
Dave confirmed he used a form of the Crippler Crossface on Daniel. This is interesting since Bryan was adamant that the story was bullcrap. Apparently investigators found marks on the boys arm and neck that they didn't understand and upon watching a tape of a Benoit match and seeing the move it made sense. They just said it was a "choke" as to not further sensationalize an already sensationalized story. -Dave said Bryan was closer to Benoit (he found his writing hilarious) then he was and that Dave hardly ever talked to Chris (while Bryan seemed to indicate semi regular contact). Thought that was interesting as we rib Bryan about getting all his sources through Dave but I never thought he'd have more access to someone like Benoit then Dave. -Benoit got a prescription for the anti-depressant Xanax at the doctor's visit on Friday. -Benoit started going downhill after Eddy died because he lost the one guy who he could confide in and shared his problems with. Apparently close friends always knew Benoit had the same problems as Eddy (pills, etc.) and suggested Benoit seriously needed to see a therapist but no one suggested it since he wasn't the type to be open to that sort of thing. -Apparently the death of Johnny Grunge hit Benoit even harder then Eddy since they were neighbors and him and Nancy fighting was somewhat common and he'd be the one to come over and defuse situations and make Chris laugh. After he died, Chris didn't have that buffer when things got out of control. -Chris and Nancy had recently separated for a period of time, and Dave received a change of address form for an apartment different then their house (I believe Bryan mentioned he got a different address too). -Chris recently opened up a new life insurance claim naming his ex-wife and his older 2 kids as the beneficiaries and refused to include Nancy or Daniel. -When there were rumors of him leaving for TNA, Dave asked him about it and Chris was paranoid thinking Dave had inside info that WWE was going to release him. He apparently may have thought ECW was a demotion and the next step would be out the door. He was reportedly obsessed with establishing himself at the HHH/HBK level. He had grown increasingly paranoid that someone was out to get him and didn't let Nancy leave the house at night or Daniel to play outside and would take different routes from the airport home each time in case he was being followed. -Nancy confided to a friend in wrestling days before the murders that she feared for her life and the friend told her to go take Daniel to her parents place in Florida (as she had done before when Chris became violent) but she didn't this time. Apparently she had a lockbox at the bank with notes indicating if something happened to her, it was Chris. -Theory is that she told him she was leaving him for good and taking Daniel and that's when he snapped on her. Loved his son and when she filed for divorce all he wanted was joint custody. Theory is he killed Daniel because in his mind he couldn't bare to let him be alone without his parents and in his condition so it was a "mercy killing". -Someone in WWE informed Dave before the RAW show that Chris had killed them, but others in the company were unaware but at least someone high up knew before the tribute show was put on the air. -Dave says he can't write a proper obit/career retrospect and doesn't know if he ever will. from another board If there's truth to even HALF of this stuff then the OMG STEROIDS!!!! hysteria will look just a bit silly
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Post by bubbles on Jun 30, 2007 17:09:13 GMT -5
He was maybe thinking that someone wanted to kill him if he was paranoid enough to drive home a different route every time he went home.
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Post by bigstamp2382 on Jun 30, 2007 17:09:17 GMT -5
I think it leads more to hysteria then it does with steroids.
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Post by nisi on Jun 30, 2007 17:18:06 GMT -5
-Benoit got a prescription for the anti-depressant Xanax at the doctor's visit on Friday. Thanks for posting all this, just wanted to add that while Xanax is often prescribed for depression-related anziety, it is actually an anti-anxiety drug more closely related to Valium than the usual anti-depresants like Prozac. It's part of what Miss Elizabeth OD'ed on, very bad to mix with alcohol or other drugs.
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Post by TheRza on Jun 30, 2007 17:39:23 GMT -5
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Post by Girth Brooks on Jun 30, 2007 17:41:38 GMT -5
Everyone has read Meltzer's grisly details by now? Plus all the signs that point to pre-meditation? Just wondering I can't read all these pages.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 30, 2007 17:45:47 GMT -5
Yes. It's pretty much what I knew about days ago.
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Post by HRH The KING on Jun 30, 2007 17:46:52 GMT -5
This is what I believe happened.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jun 30, 2007 17:59:02 GMT -5
Yes. It's pretty much what I knew about days ago. But......STEROIDS!!!!
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Post by Girth Brooks on Jun 30, 2007 18:01:34 GMT -5
I've thought it was that all this time but I didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings or anything like that. I'll just leave it at that, I don't want to be banned. Just the worst possible thing to happen to wrestling.
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Post by Big Hurt on Jun 30, 2007 18:39:34 GMT -5
Yes. It's pretty much what I knew about days ago. But......STEROIDS!!!! And he was a PRO WRESTLER!!!
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jun 30, 2007 18:48:53 GMT -5
And it's THE MEDIA FAULT for suggesting a possible link an industry where there has been a history of steriod use
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jun 30, 2007 18:49:55 GMT -5
Does anyone have the video or transcript of the interview with Bill DeMott? I'd like to see that if possible.
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Post by jmac950 on Jun 30, 2007 18:51:56 GMT -5
I call BS on the following: Dave confirmed he used a form of the Crippler Crossface on Daniel. This is interesting since Bryan was adamant that the story was bullcrap. Apparently investigators found marks on the boys arm and neck that they didn't understand and upon watching a tape of a Benoit match and seeing the move it made sense. They just said it was a "choke" as to not further sensationalize an already sensationalized story.
-Dave said Bryan was closer to Benoit (he found his writing hilarious) then he was and that Dave hardly ever talked to Chris (while Bryan seemed to indicate semi regular contact). Thought that was interesting as we rib Bryan about getting all his sources through Dave but I never thought he'd have more access to someone like Benoit then Dave.
-Benoit got a prescription for the anti-depressant Xanax at the doctor's visit on Friday.
-Benoit started going downhill after Eddy died because he lost the one guy who he could confide in and shared his problems with. Apparently close friends always knew Benoit had the same problems as Eddy (pills, etc.) and suggested Benoit seriously needed to see a therapist but no one suggested it since he wasn't the type to be open to that sort of thing.
-Apparently the death of Johnny Grunge hit Benoit even harder then Eddy since they were neighbors and him and Nancy fighting was somewhat common and he'd be the one to come over and defuse situations and make Chris laugh. After he died, Chris didn't have that buffer when things got out of control.
-Chris and Nancy had recently separated for a period of time, and Dave received a change of address form for an apartment different then their house (I believe Bryan mentioned he got a different address too).
-Chris recently opened up a new life insurance claim naming his ex-wife and his older 2 kids as the beneficiaries and refused to include Nancy or Daniel.
-When there were rumors of him leaving for TNA, Dave asked him about it and Chris was paranoid thinking Dave had inside info that WWE was going to release him. He apparently may have thought ECW was a demotion and the next step would be out the door. He was reportedly obsessed with establishing himself at the HHH/HBK level. He had grown increasingly paranoid that someone was out to get him and didn't let Nancy leave the house at night or Daniel to play outside and would take different routes from the airport home each time in case he was being followed.
-Nancy confided to a friend in wrestling days before the murders that she feared for her life and the friend told her to go take Daniel to her parents place in Florida (as she had done before when Chris became violent) but she didn't this time. Apparently she had a lockbox at the bank with notes indicating if something happened to her, it was Chris.
-Theory is that she told him she was leaving him for good and taking Daniel and that's when he snapped on her. Loved his son and when she filed for divorce all he wanted was joint custody. Theory is he killed Daniel because in his mind he couldn't bare to let him be alone without his parents and in his condition so it was a "mercy killing".
-Someone in WWE informed Dave before the RAW show that Chris had killed them, but others in the company were unaware but at least someone high up knew before the tribute show was put on the air.
-Dave says he can't write a proper obit/career retrospect and doesn't know if he ever will.
from another board There are so many baseless claims, I cant see Meltzer reporting this. Especailly since the mainstream media are on this story like a fat kid on cake. There have been claims in the above, that contradict some of the facts involved.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 30, 2007 19:12:18 GMT -5
There are so many baseless claims, I cant see Meltzer reporting this. Especailly since the mainstream media are on this story like a fat kid on cake. There have been claims in the above, that contradict some of the facts involved. You do, of course, mean the same facts reported by the same media that hasn't gotten much of anything else right so far, correct?
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Post by paragon on Jun 30, 2007 19:16:53 GMT -5
My problem with the idea that Benoit had Daniel in the Crossface is that police said they thought he had him in the crook of his arm because there weren't finger marks on his neck. The Crossface would leave finger bruises from the backs of the knuckles.
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Post by vaderbomb91 on Jun 30, 2007 19:20:09 GMT -5
Does anyone have the video or transcript of the interview with Bill DeMott? I'd like to see that if possible. If anyone missed this or any of the other interviews, most of them (including DeMott, Bret Hart, Animal, Jericho, Debra, Brian Christopher, Chyna, Mero and Blackman and various others) are posted at this page: www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Adrenaline923&p=r
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 30, 2007 19:20:23 GMT -5
My problem with the idea that Benoit had Daniel in the Crossface is that police said they thought he had him in the crook of his arm because there weren't finger marks on his neck. The Crossface would leave finger bruises from the backs of the knuckles. Been thinking about that. I have no doubt myself that he used a variation of it, though not exactly the same version we see all the time. Would it have been possible for him to have used it more to hold a pillow in place more so than to actually do the deed itself? That way all the news reports are right. It was a chokehold, and the boy was indeed smothered.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 30, 2007 19:21:15 GMT -5
Does anyone have the video or transcript of the interview with Bill DeMott? I'd like to see that if possible. If anyone missed this or any of the other interviews, most of them (including DeMott, Bret Hart, Animal, Jericho, Debra, Brian Christopher, Chyna, Mero and Blackman and various others) are posted at this page: www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Adrenaline923&p=rThanks, I'll go back and post that in the first post of the thread.
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