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Post by heyguesswhatidid on Aug 1, 2007 19:31:07 GMT -5
TV ratings have many reasons for being down these days. TIVO is a major one.
But on the other hand, do ratings mean anything anymore?
It's not like during the MNW's when we wanted our favorite of the 2 wrestling programs to win.
Right now it's WWE competing against nobody, so who cares how well it does.
No one seems to care how their favorite non-wrestling shows do in the ratings so why do we seem to care so much about how Raw, ECW, Impact and Smackdown do??
We should just enjoy the shows since these men and women work hard to entertain us.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2007 19:32:14 GMT -5
If WWE don't get good ratings, there won't be any wrestling for us to enjoy.
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Post by erisi236 on Aug 1, 2007 19:32:22 GMT -5
Vince cares, Shareholders care, Networks care, to name 3.
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Post by heyguesswhatidid on Aug 1, 2007 19:33:02 GMT -5
Vince cares, Shareholders care, Networks care, to name 3. So, why do you care?? Why do we have a 17 page thread about it? Oh, and I don't mean you as in you, I mean you as in the fans, not a personal thing. Also, Vince/Shareholders probably cares more about Revenue which is doing fine. |
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Aug 1, 2007 19:34:15 GMT -5
It's not quite that simple, and reports are that Vince was upset about the ratings a few weeks back so it's not like everything is all good in Titan Towers.
Honestly, we don't, but if the ratings go down so drastically, such as this week, then it does warrant some discussion and speculation as a good number of people didn't watch Raw this week.
And it shows that the show isn't enjoyable for that number to drop so low over one week, maybe you like the show, but it's quite apparent not everyone else feels the same as you.
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Post by Jaffa is behind you. on Aug 1, 2007 19:35:21 GMT -5
Vince cares, Shareholders care, Networks care, to name 3. So, why do you care?? Why do we have a 17 page thread about it? Oh, and I don't mean you as in you, I mean you as in the fans, not a personal thing. Because if a network cancels a show, we can't watch it. If you like said show, you just may care. Most people here like wrestling, so it affects us. |
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Aug 1, 2007 19:35:42 GMT -5
I don't know, it doesn't mean anything, really.
I guess I like wrestling and want it to be popular.
Or at least, wonder why it isn't nearly as popular as it was.
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Post by heyguesswhatidid on Aug 1, 2007 19:36:14 GMT -5
So, why do you care?? Why do we have a 17 page thread about it? Oh, and I don't mean you as in you, I mean you as in the fans, not a personal thing. Because if a network cancels a show, we can't watch it. If you like said show, you just may care. Most people here like wrestling, so it affects us. I'm sure a 2.4 is still a strong rating for a USA network show though. Especially one where they don't pay the actors, the travel and the production crew. |
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Aug 1, 2007 19:37:01 GMT -5
Because if a network cancels a show, we can't watch it. If you like said show, you just may care. Most people here like wrestling, so it affects us. I'm sure a 2.4 is still a strong rating for a USA network show though. Especially one where they don't pay the actors, the travel and the production crew. It's strong for a USA network show, but for the WWE's flagship show it's quite weak. |
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Post by Dean-o on Aug 1, 2007 19:37:05 GMT -5
If ratings go down, revenue from advertisers go down, and USA starts looking for shows that can fill the 9-11pm Monday night timeslot that can produce better numbers then Raw.
But I agree...in the age of DVD recorders and TIVO, lots of people (like myself) simply record the show and want it when they want to, not when the networks tell you it's on.
The WWE's live attendence still seems to be very strong, and PPV buyrates seem to be steady as well.
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Post by heyguesswhatidid on Aug 1, 2007 19:38:25 GMT -5
I'm sure a 2.4 is still a strong rating for a USA network show though. Especially one where they don't pay the actors, the travel and the production crew. It's strong for a USA network show, but for the WWE's flagship show it's quite weak. As long as it stays strong for USA then it'll stay on. I doubt we're in trouble of losing Raw, that won't happen until a 1.0 or something. |
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Post by BrianZane on Aug 1, 2007 19:38:29 GMT -5
TV ratings have many reasons for being down these days. TIVO is a major one. But on the other hand, do ratings mean anything anymore? It's not like during the MNW's when we wanted our favorite of the 2 wrestling programs to win. Right now it's WWE competing against nobody, so who cares how well it does. No one seems to care how their favorite non-wrestling shows do in the ratings so why do we seem to care so much about how Raw, ECW, Impact and Smackdown do?? We should just enjoy the shows since these men and women work hard to entertain us. Yes, Tivo is possibly a huge reason ratings are down; the fact that there are hundreds of cable and satellite channels to choose from, rather than merely 70 or so back in the late 1990's, could be another. As far as not needing to care about ratings now that the Wars are over, it's not that simple. USA and advertisers could care less about a little wrestling war at this point; all they care about is how ratings do against ALL OTHER Monday night shows at that time slot. If it were against another wrestling show, it would have more relevance to us wrestling fans, but to everyone else on earth, it's all about ratings compared to other programming. |
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Post by Error on Aug 1, 2007 19:38:38 GMT -5
Because if a network cancels a show, we can't watch it. If you like said show, you just may care. Most people here like wrestling, so it affects us. I'm sure a 2.4 is still a strong rating for a USA network show though. Especially one where they don't pay the actors, the travel and the production crew. They pay WWE for the rights to air the show and they are paying based on the 4s that it was pulling. If RAW can't pull what they are paying for why air it? If they decide that, then RAW gets canceled and I can't watch. That is why I care. |
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Post by soultsukino on Aug 1, 2007 19:40:01 GMT -5
I think Vince cares for one. Ratings go down, you got less leverage to offer advertising space for. Ad revenue goes down, your network doesn't make any money (Hint: TV stations make there money through advertising) The network loses money, Vince will start losing money and leverage when negotiations come up.
Granted, the 2.5 isn't the end of the world, but trust me, Vince cares
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Post by heyguesswhatidid on Aug 1, 2007 19:40:25 GMT -5
I'm sure a 2.4 is still a strong rating for a USA network show though. Especially one where they don't pay the actors, the travel and the production crew. They pay WWE for the rights to air the show and they are paying based on the 4s that it was pulling. If RAW can't pull what they are paying for why air it? If they decide that, then RAW gets canceled and I can't watch. That is why I care. the thing is that their are networks that would kill for a show doing a 2.5, so I think they'd find another network quickly. |
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Aug 1, 2007 19:40:42 GMT -5
It's strong for a USA network show, but for the WWE's flagship show it's quite weak. As long as it stays strong for USA then it'll stay on. I doubt we're in trouble of losing Raw, that won't happen until a 1.0 or something. I don't think anyone's saying Raw's going off the air or anything, but it is something that I'm sure is worrying Vince a bit. And if they want to spark ratings up, they might start doing things that can get more people interested, because right now on Raw, there's not much really going on to enjoy and apparently the ratings show that as a good number of people didn't tune in on Monday. |
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Post by heyguesswhatidid on Aug 1, 2007 19:41:28 GMT -5
I think wrestling is way better in a down period, so perhaps low ratings can be a blessing in the long run.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Aug 1, 2007 19:42:19 GMT -5
I think wrestling is way better in a down period, so perhaps low ratings can be a blessing in the long run. That's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but if I may ask how is that good that they are getting low ratings? |
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Post by heyguesswhatidid on Aug 1, 2007 19:43:06 GMT -5
I think wrestling is way better in a down period, so perhaps low ratings can be a blessing in the long run. That's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but if I may ask how is that good that they are getting low ratings? They have to step up their game. Try to be original and do something different. Look at 97 Raw, it was amazing. |
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Post by HoagieWithPastrami on Aug 1, 2007 19:43:34 GMT -5
TV ratings have many reasons for being down these days. TIVO is a major one. But on the other hand, do ratings mean anything anymore? It's not like during the MNW's when we wanted our favorite of the 2 wrestling programs to win. Right now it's WWE competing against nobody, so who cares how well it does. No one seems to care how their favorite non-wrestling shows do in the ratings so why do we seem to care so much about how Raw, ECW, Impact and Smackdown do?? We should just enjoy the shows since these men and women work hard to entertain us. Other wrestling promotions aren't the only competition for the WWE, although that did work out nicely during the Monday Night Wars. Raw is a television program. TV programs need to get better ratings than the other TV programs on at the same time as they are (regardless of whether that TV show is wrestling or not) or they don't get advertising money. If they don't get advertising money, they don't get to be on TV anymore eventually. |
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