Bad things that turned to good things.

[Joshin 'Thunder' Liger]

Many horrible and bad things have happened in wrestling over the years, son I ask what bad things in wrestling have led to good things. i.e the Death of Eddie gave us the Wellness Policy, which may be biased and not not completely up to standard but atleast it gives some policeing of drug abuse.

Also the death of WCW and ECW gave rise to TNA plus it let new independent leagues like ROH thrive in a new insurgence of independent wrestling which in my opinion is now thriving more than it ever has with much better national exposure for smaller leagues. So what other things can people think of?

["Nature Boy" Ric Moranis]

Um, the indies aren't thriving anywhere compared to the territory days before Vince began killing them off one by one in 1984.

Back in the day, 8 or 9 territories were capable of drawing bigger houses than TNA or ROH. The only reason today's indies have perceived to have more "national exposure" is because of the Internet. But back in olden times, you could watch Championship Wrestling from Florida on TV in New Jersey, World Class (Texas) in Minnesota, Mid-South (Louisiana) in Maryland, and World Wide Wrestling (Carolinas) in Ohio. You can't turn on the TV and watch an hour of Chikara in Oregon every Saturday morning, though it would be a better world if you could. Vince McMahon ruined that world for everyone.

I don't think that the deaths of WCW and ECW can be construed as good things. WWE's product has suffered since the day that both closed shop.

[Topher is Human]

DDP approves of this thread.


Also, WWE's Dominick story lead to some awesome matches

[Mr Captain Falcon]

Ringmaster was terrible but turned into GOLD!

[Jason Todd Grisham]

Perry Saturn beat up a jobber nearly breaking his neck.

We got Moppy.

[Ben Wyatt]

Shawn Michaels gets suspended for possible steroid use and is stripped of the ic title.

While Michaels is on haitus, he and Vince come up with the idea of having Shawn and Razor Ramon fued.

The WM10 ladder match is born

[Topher is Human]

rockhound said:

FYI: It was the pre-emption(is this even a word?) of RAW because of the U.S. Open that opened the door for Monday Nitro to debut.

[Black Hammer Rocks the AssWhip]

The whole Rob Feinstein controversy. Who knew Cary Silkin along with a few random guys named Samoa Joe, CM Punk, and Homicide among others who turn the negative into the best thing wrestling has going today?

[The Line]

faded said:

The whole Rob Feinstein controversy. Who knew Cary Silkin along with a few random guys named Samoa Joe, CM Punk, and Homicide among others who turn the negative into the best thing wrestling has going today?

Good one! I have to agree with this one. Most companies would have folded after an incident like this, but ROH turned completley around, and now RF is just an afterthought

[Bub (BLM)]

Eddie Guerrero passing away gave us Rey Mysterio as World Champi... oh yeah, that sucked.

Seriously however, Rob Van Dam getting suspended gave us Big Show as ECW World Champion, which surprisingly rocked the socks.

[Rocky Van Heineken]

ilovejbl said:

Also the death of WCW and ECW gave rise to TNA plus it let new independent leagues like ROH thrive in a new insurgence of independent wrestling which in my opinion is now thriving more than it ever has with much better national exposure for smaller leagues. So what other things can people think of?

So trading a crappy company that lost 80 million in one year and one that can't pay it's talent for TNA? Sounds like a bad deal.

[Zutroy]

The Montreal Screwjob. It should have destroyed WWF but instead it gave birth to the Mr McMahon character who became one of the greatest heels of all time and turning the tide against WCW.

[Crappler El 0 M]

That's not a bad thing; that's a good thing. ;D
-DDP

[Parrish]

WCW got bought out...but Jeff Jarrett and the horrible booked team started up TNA...so its like WCW never left

[Diddly]

Hall and Nash leaving for WCW. It should have been a major blow to Vince (and it was in the short run) but it forced Vince to push the younger stars that eventually helped them beat WCW.

[Clash, Never a Meter Maid]

I'd say the failure of the Rocky Mavia Blue Chipper character, which Dwayne Johnson and the WWF took advantage of by coming up with the Rock character.

[tarheelfan]

diddly said:

Hall and Nash leaving for WCW. It should have been a major blow to Vince (and it was in the short run) but it forced Vince to push the younger stars that eventually helped them beat WCW.

But that was a victory that came with a longterm consequence. In a sense the Monday Night Wars that culminated in the Attitude Era was a boom for wrestling. But consider the state of wrestling now in the aftermath of the Attitude Era. And what good did that supposed talent do in the longrun to help today's product? The supposed young talent of today has nowhere close to the draw that the supposed old timers of Hogan, Macho Man, Sting and Flair had.

[thetimekeeper]

tarheelfan said:

diddly said:

Hall and Nash leaving for WCW. It should have been a major blow to Vince (and it was in the short run) but it forced Vince to push the younger stars that eventually helped them beat WCW.

But that was a victory that came with a longterm consequence. In a sense the Monday Night Wars that culminated in the Attitude Era was a boom for wrestling. But consider the state of wrestling now in the aftermath of the Attitude Era. And what good did that supposed talent do in the longrun to help today's product? The supposed young talent of today has nowhere close to the draw that the supposed old timers of Hogan, Macho Man, Sting and Flair had.

WCW might have folded regardless,but without the Attitude era WWE might not be around today.

[tarheelfan]

thetimekeeper said:

tarheelfan said:

But that was a victory that came with a longterm consequence. In a sense the Monday Night Wars that culminated in the Attitude Era was a boom for wrestling. But consider the state of wrestling now in the aftermath of the Attitude Era. And what good did that supposed talent do in the longrun to help today's product? The supposed young talent of today has nowhere close to the draw that the supposed old timers of Hogan, Macho Man, Sting and Flair had.

WCW might have folded regardless,but without the Attitude era WWE might not be around today.

To be fair as an old school fan I was more of a WCW proponent although the last several years of WCW were terrible. What really hurt wrestling in the longrun was when the WWE appealed to the rebellious youth culyure with the vulgarity. etc. I am convinced that WCW would still have been around and won the Monday Night wars had the WWE not evolved into shock tv per se. The problem is that shock tv by the WWE was a short lived several year phenomenen that eventually had to end. The problem is that when it ended all the rebellious youth culture who just watched wrestling for the shock value quit watching. Then the older fans who preferred old school NWA wrestling were left in the dark without WCW. I have always said that wrestling would be better off today had WCW won the wars instead of one family practically controlling almost the whole wrestling industry.

[wildojinx]

WWE buying out WCW (and later ecw, awa, wccw, and i think st. louis) allowed them to put out excellent documentary dvds. No offense to wcw fans, but if wcw won and bought the wwf tape library, do you really think theyd make as good use of it? Heck, wwf was putting out dvds as early as 1999, wcw never even tried to capitalize on the format.