Randy's restholds

[Dolph Zalgo]

Seriously, I don't get the complaining about Orton's restholds. I think it actually IS good ring psychology, since he's wearing down bodyparts that he later tries to have a huge impact on (RKO). In chinlocks you bend back the neck and head and with the RKO you have a huge impact on the head and neck.

It adds to his ruthlessness that he doesn't care that he might break his opponents neck and/or end his career with his strategy that is doing everything to gain an easy win by hurting your opponent instead of beating him by power and ability.

[Sir Smurf]

It's still real to him, dammit!

[Ace Diamond]

well that logic would imply he has ability that he chooses not to use instead of having no ability whatsoever[/end joke]

anyway, I've given this some thought, and realized...that everyone jumps to defend Randy's "psychology", and yet that means that his psychology is overtly obvious. Maybe the best psychology is the one you don't notice. Let me expound.

Let's take another wrestler who uses a modification of the Cutter as his finisher. Matt Hardy.

His moveset consists of the following (most of the time)

Punches (directed at head)
Clotheslines
Corner Clothesline/Bulldog Combo
Leg Drops
Fist Drops
Second Rope Bionic Elbow
Elbow Drops
Enziguri
Hip Tosses
Jaw Breaker (to escape holds)
Scoop Slam

There's probably some more but most of those moves work the head and neck area, and you never THINK about that unless you have too much free time like I do. In this way Matt consistently works his opponent's head and neck setting them up for when he brings out the twist of fate to finish them.

Meanwhile Randy is making it so blatantly obvious with what he's doing by constantly spending over half the match with his opponent in a headlock.

*shrug*

[skiller]

Randy's the only wreslter I've ever seen transition from a chinlock into another chinlock. Now I don't really like him, but I do think that's pretty awesome.

[Ace Diamond]

skiller said:

Randy's the only wreslter I've ever seen transition from a chinlock into another chinlock. Now I don't really like him, but I do think that's pretty awesome.

Mick Foley did it first and got more heat from it.

...What he did.

[King of the Indies]

This is one of the most common defensive arguments I've heard with regard to Orton's chinlocks. However, I've always considered the RKO to be more of a shock move that can be hit "out of nowhere", in the same vein as the Stunner; once he hits it, it's lights out.

[Dolph Zalgo]

aodpilot said:

well that logic would imply he has ability that he chooses not to use instead of having no ability whatsoever[/end joke]

Well, even that would make Orton's ring strategy look good, since he keeps his opponent away from hitting moves on him he might not be able to counter.

So Orton is trying to slowly wear down opponents at one time and then looks for openings to hit his devastating moves like the RKO or the headpunt. Orton is pretty much like a snake, a super-snake that is.

[Arthur Digby Stamp]

cornholio said:

aodpilot said:

well that logic would imply he has ability that he chooses not to use instead of having no ability whatsoever[/end joke]

Well, even that would make Orton's ring strategy look good, since he keeps his opponent away from hitting moves on him he might not be able to counter.

So Orton is trying to slowly wear down opponents at one time and then looks for openings to hit his devastating moves like the RKO or the headpunt. Orton is pretty much like a snake, a super-snake that is.

I'd even go so far as to say MEGA-SNAKE.

[Ace Diamond]

cornholio said:

aodpilot said:

well that logic would imply he has ability that he chooses not to use instead of having no ability whatsoever[/end joke]

Well, even that would make Orton's ring strategy look good, since he keeps his opponent away from hitting moves on him he might not be able to counter.

So Orton is trying to slowly wear down opponents at one time and then looks for openings to hit his devastating moves like the RKO or the headpunt. Orton is pretty much like a snake, a super-snake that is.

Like i said, it was a joke, no real need to jump on it.

By the way, that headpunt still looks stupid, esp. when compared to things like a running knee to the temple, and thus I find it hard to take seriously, then again I'll admit bias cause I can't take anything Randy Orton does seriously.

[Jason Todd Grisham]

I remember on RAW awhile back. They had that timed match thing. First match out of the gate is Randy Orton. It takes him seven minutes because in a timed match he took the time to put all of his restholds in. What the hell does a leg scissors and punch to the chest, or armbar have to do with the RKO? I can understand the headlock and chinlock argument, but he uses more restolds than that.

Randy has good psychology, but that was just idiotic.

[x]

Isn't the RKO supposed to be an impact move that knocks people out? If something is supposed to knock someone out right away you shouldn't need to wear down someone's neck.

I think it's just that Orton can only RKO, backbreaker and dropkick. So he has to find something to do the rest of the match.

[The Beast Disincarnate]

Too much restholds bore the crap out of people : Kill the action, kill the crowd. Too much psychology is lazyness sometimes. In Orton's case, IT'S lazyness.

If we'd want to see ultra psychologic and boring matches, we would watch ROH

[Deleted]

He uses em some, but it really isn't that much. However since it's become a running joke, I find each one hilarious any time I watch.

First time that seeing a chinlock can make me bust out laughing.

[The OP]

Orton using chinlocks doesn't actually bother me, but I do sometimes laugh at the head/chinlock jokes. Especially when someone in the crowd had a sign that said "Another Headlock Randy?"

It really doesn't bother me though. Besides, to paraphrase William Regal, Orton is a heel so why should he care if somebody doesn't like the way he wrestles?

[T.J. "the Crippler" Stevens]

I agree. He's a classically trained wrestler and his style is a throwback to what I miss so much in wrestling. If you guys want, the company can just keep hiring guys for their looks and expect them to learn how to wrestle in 6 months. If that's what you prefer then wrestling is really going to start to suck.

[CM Punk's Favorite Boobs]

a2j88 said:

I remember on RAW awhile back. They had that timed match thing. First match out of the gate is Randy Orton. It takes him seven minutes because in a timed match he took the time to put all of his restholds in.

I was thinking the exact same thing during this match. It was ridiculous.

[Deleted]

all i gotta say is that if the move is supposed to be outta nowhere... why do they only do it once or twice? If it seems to be an easy yet devistating move to hit why do they only try it once or twice? why not just try to hit it half the time and hope you get lucky?

[TripleMerc]

aodpilot said:

everyone jumps to defend Randy's "psychology",

The point is, chinlocks and headlocks don't weaken the neck at all, they cut off air/blood to the brain in kayfabe. And besides, RKO's are not designed for pain, as they are designed, you Knock Out your opponent, hence the name, so, to weaken the neck, so to cause pain, or whatever, is really irrelevant, as the RKO and the rest of the offense doesn't mesh. Plus, what you said about it being too obvious.

[leemir]

It's boring.

[darthpipes]

Orton's ring work is boring. There are a lot of other guys who use rest holds that use them a lot more effectively. JR has to practically make excuses for his boring offense by saying how much they hurt.