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Post by thesunbeast on Sept 1, 2007 11:57:14 GMT -5
This is one of the most common defensive arguments I've heard with regard to Orton's chinlocks. However, I've always considered the RKO to be more of a shock move that can be hit "out of nowhere", in the same vein as the Stunner; once he hits it, it's lights out. Yeah, that's true. Orton's chinlicks aren't meant to "work the head" or anything, they're meant to slow down his opponent when they're unleashing ragefull offense. Like if he were in a match with Ultimate warrior or something, he would be using a heck of alot of chinlocks, but it can still be entertaining if you follow the concept. Bret Hart used about 14 chinlocks in his legendary match with his much bigger opponent, the British Bulldog. Psychology is a heck of alot more than just simply working on a bodypart.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 1, 2007 12:17:50 GMT -5
This is one of the most common defensive arguments I've heard with regard to Orton's chinlocks. However, I've always considered the RKO to be more of a shock move that can be hit "out of nowhere", in the same vein as the Stunner; once he hits it, it's lights out. Yeah, that's true. Orton's chinlicks aren't meant to "work the head" or anything, they're meant to slow down his opponent when they're unleashing ragefull offense. Like if he were in a match with Ultimate warrior or something, he would be using a heck of alot of chinlocks, but it can still be entertaining if you follow the concept. Bret Hart used about 14 chinlocks in his legendary match with his much bigger opponent, the British Bulldog. Psychology is a heck of alot more than just simply working on a bodypart. Exactly; it's also a reflection of the participants in the match. Like you said, if Randy were working against a huge, very quick opponent, it would make sense to use headlocks and whatnot to wear him down, to lengthen the match, and thus work things to his advantage. It's what CM Punk did with Samoa Joe in ROH in 2004, and the psychology worked brilliantly. Now I haven't seen much of Orton in the past few years, but I can safely say that its another story when restholds are just what a guy automatically defaults to whenever he's in doubt. It becomes repetitive, dull, and meaningless, just like almost any other moves would in that same scenario. I never liked Orton, never thought he was that good. Don't know if he's improved lately, but I still hear a lot of the same complaints about him.
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Post by vinnie245 on Sept 1, 2007 12:34:14 GMT -5
I just think he should try some more submission moves to vary up the action a little more,Maybe a Surfboard or a Boston Crab
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Sept 1, 2007 13:16:47 GMT -5
Meh. Properly applied headlocks hurt like hell. Imagine how good it would feel for someone to grind really hard the boney part of his forearm into the soft part of your temple. That you wear you down eventually since your body tries to shut down to avoid the pain.
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Post by Lick Ness Monster on Sept 1, 2007 13:19:26 GMT -5
I think it's just that Orton can only RKO, backbreaker and dropkick. So he has to find something to do the rest of the match. Hit the nail on the head.
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Post by STMP on Sept 1, 2007 13:32:01 GMT -5
The RKO is a f***ing version of the Diamond Cutter/Ace Crusher, the move so hardhitting it could end any match whenever DDP would hit it.
If it would be indeed ring psychology, it would be the most stupid psychology in pro-wrestling today. The whole point of a move like the RKO is that you don't have to work on a bodypart, you can hit it and match is finished. Same if Triple H would start giving people eyerakes to soften them up for the Pedigree.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 1, 2007 15:03:33 GMT -5
The RKO is a smurfing version of the Diamond Cutter/Ace Crusher, the move so hardhitting it could end any match whenever DDP would hit it. If it would be indeed ring psychology, it would be the most stupid psychology in pro-wrestling today. The whole point of a move like the RKO is that you don't have to work on a bodypart, you can hit it and match is finished. Same if Triple H would start giving people eyerakes to soften them up for the Pedigree. Gotta agree with you. If his finish was something that couldn't be hit from out of nowhere, or if most of his opponents were guys he had to keep down in order for them not to utilize their size/speed against him, it would make more sense. But apparently he does it against guys his own size/shape/speed, which doesn't really work.
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Post by lildude8218 on Sept 1, 2007 15:11:14 GMT -5
Several people have kicked out the RKO though at this point, so obviously it isn't the complete end. So he would have to soften the guy up early end just to make sure
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Sept 1, 2007 16:07:32 GMT -5
Several people have kicked out the RKO though at this point, so obviously it isn't the complete end. So he would have to soften the guy up early end just to make sure With bearhugs and legscissors?
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Post by lildude8218 on Sept 1, 2007 17:07:13 GMT -5
Several people have kicked out the RKO though at this point, so obviously it isn't the complete end. So he would have to soften the guy up early end just to make sure With bearhugs and legscissors? Uhh, sure, why not? A bearhug will take the wind out of you, if you're having trouble breathing then you won't be able to kickout. Damage done to that area of your body would make it harder for you to physically kickout as well.
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Post by royboy8 on Sept 1, 2007 17:30:37 GMT -5
It's still real to him, dammit! Why do people say that every time someone tries to make a valid point in Kayfabe? Okay, we all know wrestling is pre-scripted....but why is a thread like this any different from people on this site b****ing about a wrestler "winning" or "losing" when we all know wrestling is pre determined. It's really annoying quite honestly.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 1, 2007 18:43:55 GMT -5
My wrestling comes with Allegra D.
And if the RKO isn't a total death move anymore, Randy should try to start incorporating more possible finishers.
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Post by Adam Pacman Khan (akkilla) on Sept 2, 2007 0:21:39 GMT -5
randy still owns.
id like to see any of you take a chinlock from randy
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 2, 2007 0:23:01 GMT -5
Orton should use legend finishers of those he's "killed".
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Post by Adam Pacman Khan (akkilla) on Sept 2, 2007 0:25:37 GMT -5
Orton should use legend finishers of those he's "killed". lol hes killed every legend ever. minus Hulkamania brother and The hitman brother.....wait that doesnt work.
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