dpg
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Post by dpg on Sept 7, 2007 5:17:26 GMT -5
I'm sure constant touring and the resultant lack of sleep, lack of recovery time and lack of time off all contributed to the damage to his brain. The WWE schedule is very grueling, what with the tv tapings, house shows and the increased number of ppv's. That plus they travel all over the world.
What the WWE needs to do is have fewer house shows, give the wrestlers paid time off during the year, regular health checks, and have management take more of an interest in their welfare, rather than the current work until you drop attitude. TNA have a much lighter schedule so most of these problems don't affect them.
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Post by kawalimus on Sept 7, 2007 6:26:05 GMT -5
I'm sure constant touring and the resultant lack of sleep, lack of recovery time and lack of time off all contributed to the damage to his brain. The WWE schedule is very grueling, what with the tv tapings, house shows and the increased number of ppv's. That plus they travel all over the world. What the WWE needs to do is have fewer house shows, give the wrestlers paid time off during the year, regular health checks, and have management take more of an interest in their welfare, rather than the current work until you drop attitude. TNA have a much lighter schedule so most of these problems don't affect them. Yep this a problem. I think this an epidemic in United States and I think Canada too. If you're not willing work hours a week guys like Vince want you to you're consider lazy. But that's not how it really is it just cultural perception at this time. Hopefully that changes and guys like Chris Benoit and what happen to him are good reason why you shouldn't worked like a horse.
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Post by repomanfan on Sept 7, 2007 9:43:25 GMT -5
this is way more serious then steroids IMO. im sure benoit is not the only one, and mcmahon couldnt give a damn.
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Post by kawalimus on Sept 7, 2007 9:46:57 GMT -5
this is way more serious then steroids IMO. im sure benoit is not the only one, and mcmahon couldnt give a damn. Yeah that's exactly what I said in other thread and I think it bears repeating. Some might think this is a relief for WWE cause it can take the blame off steroids/painkillers, but it is actually much worse. With steroids and painkillers, WWE can lay all the blame on wrestlers for their personal choices and say it was all their faults. That's what Vince does, he eliminates all personal responsibilty from himself. But with this, WWE can't suspend wrestlers and punish them for having brain damage, and if they find that their schedule or conditions are responsible for this damage, they will be forced to reform the business. And if they don't, you're gonna see a class action lawsuit from families of deceased wrestlers and you WILL see WWE suits behind bars, maybe Vince himself. And if that does happen I better get my credit ;D VVVV--and me too!!! And that other guy in here said it. It wasn't only Nowinski saying that stuff, he just had the resources take action on it.
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Big L
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Post by Big L on Sept 7, 2007 9:47:00 GMT -5
Nowinski is a genius
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Sept 7, 2007 9:59:07 GMT -5
I wish that Mike Awesome's case would have gotten more media attention, and that he could've been studied. I don't know how I feel about this theory yet, but it sounds like the same thing with him.
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Post by ACG2x on Sept 7, 2007 10:39:16 GMT -5
You're all idiots, get your heads out of your asses j/k Agreed completely on the whole working and schedule thing. The thing is that WWE does control how much guys make since wrestlers get bonuses for appearing on PPV's and on TV. If you aren't pushed, you don't appear. Since WWE decides who gets pushed, it's a pretty simple equation to figure out. I have read numerous stories of guys who weren't willing to do whatever was asked of them in terms of working more dates and taking more dangerous bumps that were depushed, even for a short period of time. The message it sends is clear - even if it's for a short period of time, you will be depushed and thus will suffer financially if you aren't willing to do whatever is asked of you. Vince is so stubborn in this mindset - he feels that because he is an 80+ hours/week workaholic, all his employees should be as well. And if you're not, then you're just lazy and "don't want it enough". Even now with all the talk about Benoit, what you hear wrestling-wise was he was "one of the most dedicated guys to the business". This is a double-edged sword. Sure he was dedicated to his craft and did his best to be a hell of a worker, however part of that statement means that he never refused to take a chairshot/dangerous bump/etc. or not work a show or two to be with his family more. You see the end result. I really hope this does bring about sweeping changes in the way the wrestling business is still run. There is still the underlying mindset of "shut up and do as your told" ala Ole Anderson and the grizzled old bookers of days past. An offseason, hell an off-week every now and then would do a lot of good, both from a wrestler health and now public image perspective. The question is - will Vince McMahon still stuck to his stubborn guns and do things the old way, aka "his way" because dammit, that's the way it ought to be?
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Post by acressl on Sept 7, 2007 10:40:41 GMT -5
Nature vs. Nurture? Either way, dude snapped.
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Post by repomanfan on Sept 7, 2007 10:43:22 GMT -5
plain and simple; benoit was a prostitute just like mick foley was a prostitute and many other guys before him. i have much more respect for guys like flair and hogan.
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Post by The Ichi on Sept 7, 2007 11:18:52 GMT -5
Mick Foley's a prostitute? Man they'll hire anyone these days.
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Post by Gillberg: 0-175 on Sept 7, 2007 14:14:14 GMT -5
I really think a quick fix to this is to have wrestling regulated as a real sport. Yes, they need more downtime, but first and foremost these people need to be checked out as athletes first, and reconized as actors second.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Sept 7, 2007 14:21:51 GMT -5
Even though I somehow can't bring myself to forgive him, I Hope this might soften the blow for his family and close friends.
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Post by The"threadicidal"bristolspapa on Sept 7, 2007 14:23:28 GMT -5
It is a conundrum. It likely won't happen unless there is a groundswell to make it happen. I'm not sure the public cares enough. Now if those two writers from the San Francisco Chronicle or Woodward/Bernstein start banging the drum, then it could happen.
It's just weird. The public wants to call the industry a cesspool and the like. At the same time, the public mocks the industry when it and sports appear in the same sentence. That's why I don't think it will happen. People aren't walking the streets saying "Woe is us. What shall become of our pro wrestlers?"
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 7, 2007 14:27:14 GMT -5
Agreed- your mainstream public just looks at it like those 'weird steroid freak wrestlers dying, isn't that bizarre'
Which is sad, but your non wrestling fan does not care.
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Post by jets4life on Sept 7, 2007 14:52:14 GMT -5
I really think a quick fix to this is to have wrestling regulated as a real sport. Yes, they need more downtime, but first and foremost these people need to be checked out as athletes first, and reconized as actors second. amen to that...
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Sept 7, 2007 15:07:36 GMT -5
Even though I somehow can't bring myself to forgive him, I Hope this might soften the blow for his family and close friends. Same here. I'd really like to forgive it, but, this just doesn't explain everything for me. I fail to see how someone with "a brain resembling an 85 year old man with alzheimer's" wouldn't get lost in the ring and have all the dementia and paranoia go unnoticed. Plus I'm still terribly unnerved by the alleged killing of Nancy, waiting a day, killing Daniel, etc. Plus everything doesn't match up, "a failure in business and personal lives" is frequently brought up, well, Benoit was fixing to become ECW Champion, that's not exactly a failure. He had a beautiful wife and a loving son, etc. Short of raising the dead and asking Chris himself I guess we will NEVER know why this happened, and if Nowinski and co. are right, maybe Chris didn't know either. I hope one day I will be able to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by amsiraK on Sept 7, 2007 15:09:37 GMT -5
I really think a quick fix to this is to have wrestling regulated as a real sport. Yes, they need more downtime, but first and foremost these people need to be checked out as athletes first, and reconized as actors second. That's part of the problem - they don't WANT it to be a real sport. Then it falls under state regulations and licensure and Vince can't do what he wants. Why do you think he came up with the whole "sports entertainment" deal in the first place?
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Post by mrwednesdaynight on Sept 7, 2007 15:52:26 GMT -5
If wrestlers were to be represented by any union body it would probably be the Stuntman sector of the Screen Actors Guild. I believe the offical language for qualification as a stuntman is anyone who performs an unusual (not done in someones everyday life.) task on screen. As far as people saying Benoit was a personal and professional failure, he was a working wrestling, which not many are in the monopoly days we live in today. No one can provide any evidence that he blew his money like Ric Flair did or got into any tax problems. WWE was paying him well. As far as the problems he was having at home, none of us really know the facts about that. I would be more incline to believe that something went wrong in his brain and this story would support that.
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Post by STMP on Sept 7, 2007 18:51:13 GMT -5
plain and simple; benoit was a prostitute just like mick foley was a prostitute and many other guys before him. i have much more respect for guys like flair and hogan. Why? Flair wrestled way too long and still took some serious bumps when he was 50+ Hogan's body is f***ed up, yet he too keeps on coming back for a simple nostalgia pop and a very nice pay day. When he doesn't even need the money. I don't respect people who can't hang it up and keep going and going. I have more respect for people like Lance Storm or Ricky Steamboat who left pro-wrestling on good terms and shared their knowledge with younger wrestlers.
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Post by tarheelfan on Sept 7, 2007 19:08:51 GMT -5
plain and simple; benoit was a prostitute just like mick foley was a prostitute and many other guys before him. i have much more respect for guys like flair and hogan. Why? Flair wrestled way too long and still took some serious bumps when he was 50+ Hogan's body is smurfed up, yet he too keeps on coming back for a simple nostalgia pop and a very nice pay day. When he doesn't even need the money. I don't respect people who can't hang it up and keep going and going. I have more respect for people like Lance Storm or Ricky Steamboat who left pro-wrestling on good terms and shared their knowledge with younger wrestlers. Flair and Hogan are considered the most influential wrestlers since 1980 by most media and fans regardless of how people felt about their wrestling abilities or styles. I think what the point is that since Hogan and Flair had so much clout that they could call the shots most of the time and not have to bust their tails night end and night out just to keep a job or please the boss so to speak. Although Flair early in his career would wrestle long matches night after night but they were not like some of the more hardcore leaning matches guys like Benoit or Foley would wrestle.
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