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Post by nerdinitupagain on Nov 8, 2007 14:19:52 GMT -5
It came off pretty balanced to me, but they could have presented it better than the shock style they did, which made WWE look seedier than it already is. Ted Turner still secretly runs CNN! It's a conspiracy to put McMahon out of business for good! I do agree.. it was very balanced. I thought it was a good look at everything. The full transcript of the McMahon interview though does show McMahon as very defensive especially on the brain damage issues. I think it was a good piece overall. It doesn't try to insult wrestling fans as many of these similar pieces do.
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Post by plushtar on Nov 8, 2007 15:30:56 GMT -5
It's really difficult to find objectivity in a new network that is run by the same company that ran both WCW and the Nightmare on Elm Street Franchise and is currently behind TMZ.
I think the man in black is the mystery man behind Michael Myers from Halloween The Curse of Michael Myers. He's just pissed because Myers was released when ancient curses were now counted as illegal substances.
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Post by CrazySting on Nov 8, 2007 15:33:17 GMT -5
The guy in the black bugged me...
He wants to remain anonymous presumably so he can one day return to WWE...all the while he's insulting them and saying Vince and company are uncaring jerks who drive wrestlers to drug use?
Pathetic.
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Post by ntb on Nov 8, 2007 16:13:23 GMT -5
So how long will it take before someone takes the video of the anonymous wrestler and speeds up the dialogue so it sounds normal, so we can all try and figure out who it is? rapidshare.com/files/68375945/cnnblackscorp20.mp3.htmlI just took a short clip and raised the pitch 20%.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2007 16:19:08 GMT -5
So how long will it take before someone takes the video of the anonymous wrestler and speeds up the dialogue so it sounds normal, so we can all try and figure out who it is? rapidshare.com/files/68375945/cnnblackscorp20.mp3.htmlI just took a short clip and raised the pitch 20%. At first, I thought that was Bret Hart. But it's not him. I have no idea who that is.
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Post by Steveweiser on Nov 8, 2007 18:01:30 GMT -5
John Cena's thrown a hissy fit - he said today that CNN didn't get out to the public that WWE's wellness policy is for real, and that he wants WWE.com to upload his entire interview, because he felt his answer to the one question that was aired was miscontrued. Personally, I felt what he didn't say spoke far louder than what he did say.
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Post by CrazySting on Nov 8, 2007 18:59:56 GMT -5
To be honest, I am beginning to think Cena was taken out of context and he meant 'I can't tell you I haven't, " as 'I can tell you I havn't and you won't believe me."
The whole 'you can never prove I have' made me think so too. why be so certain unless you know there genuinely is no proof anywhere (and no matter how careful you are there is always a paper trail)
Regardless of whether he has used steroids or he hasn't, I think dodgy CNN editing is more likely, than him just deciding to do a uturn on what's he's been saying for years.
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Post by JMA on Nov 8, 2007 19:11:56 GMT -5
Ironically, CNN has been far more fair to WWE than any of the other networks. I say "ironically" because CNN is (or was) associated with Turner.
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Post by CrazySting on Nov 8, 2007 19:34:05 GMT -5
Poor Michael Benoit. He really blames himself for letting Benoit get into wrestling.
A columnist over at wo.com basically told the truth when he said Benoit would have pursued his wrestling dream regardless of whether his dad approved or not. I hope Michael eventually realises this and stops feeling so guilty about it.
On another note: I did see Vince's point about the brain tests. From what I understand Benoit was still a functioning person, did his job, travelled everywhere, was on time...etc and no 85 year old with dementia can function like that at all. My gran had dementia towards the end and she was in her eighties, and you could not even have a conversation with her, she didn't know who anyone was. But Benoit was still living his life like he always had by all accounts.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 8, 2007 20:15:18 GMT -5
What I've watched so far is pretty balanced, but they do lean towards using "shock graphics" where it isn't really necessary.
Still, the fact remains that the death toll in wrestling is insanely high in a day and age where things like that should be behind it. Vince, as the one man with enough power to enact wide, sweeping changes, has the responsibility to do something about it.
Does that absolve all wrestlers of personal responsibility to take of themselves? Of course not. But Vince is in control of the schedule these guys run, the money they make (or don't make), the spots they get, and how they're presented/marketed. A boss must create a workplace atmosphere conducive to doing the right thing, one that promotes fairness and healthiness.
Vince can't hold these guys' hands and baby them, either, but there's a LOT about WWE business practices that he can change.
Now, if only a union were truly possible...
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Post by HRH The KING on Nov 8, 2007 20:28:01 GMT -5
The tacit encouragement to take steroids and the lack of a union will never be changed in WWE.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Nov 8, 2007 20:31:57 GMT -5
I don't like how they read from Benot's diary about a dream he had in which his and Nancy's parents were in danger. They use it to protray him as a weird, nutty guy....but it was a dream. You don't even wanna know what goes on in my dreams.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 8, 2007 20:50:45 GMT -5
I don't like how they read from Benot's diary about a dream he had in which his and Nancy's parents were in danger. They use it to protray him as a weird, nutty guy....but it was a dream. You don't even wanna know what goes on in my dreams. It's still an interesting study, even stranger in that he didn't just write about it, but wrote about it to Eddie right in the wake of Eddie's death.
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Post by JMA on Nov 8, 2007 20:59:10 GMT -5
The tacit encouragement to take steroids and the lack of a union will never be changed in WWE. Never say never. If you would've asked someone if Benoit would've killed his family before the fact, they would've said never too. Nothing is certain.
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Post by Kyle on Nov 8, 2007 23:27:35 GMT -5
I don't know about you guys... but the whole Benoit thing is still really hard for me to fully comprehend. The guy was honestly in my top two or three favorite wrestlers of ALL time.... I still find it hard to believe that the Benoit I watched on TV was the same Benoit that did what he did.
This is why it sucks to be a wrestling fan. We loose our heroes so quickly. It seems like almost everyone that I enjoyed cheering for is now gone, and almost none of them are under "normal" circumstances. Benoit, Owen, Pillman, Bossman, Bulldog, Perfect, Crash Holly, Eddie, and about a million others.
Anyhow, throughout the CNN Special I kept thinking they focused far to much on the Chris Benoit story that what I assumed the program was going to be about, steroids in wrestling. I realize that Chris was more or less what pulled professional wrestling and steroids back out into the open, but far to much of the program was spent talking about Benoit for my liking.
I also didn't like how they showed a quick photo of Owen Hart during the shots of deceased pro-wrestlers, as he had nothing to do with any of this steroid crap (I didn't like how they zoomed in on his face either)
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Post by Lino on Nov 9, 2007 0:01:18 GMT -5
Ahhh kwap! I missed it. Any newz on when/if they'll show re-runs?
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Nov 9, 2007 0:06:20 GMT -5
Ahhh kwap! I missed it. Any newz on when/if they'll show re-runs? Saturday and Sunday night both at 8PM.
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Post by HRH The KING on Nov 9, 2007 0:11:40 GMT -5
The tacit encouragement to take steroids and the lack of a union will never be changed in WWE. Never say never. If you would've asked someone if Benoit would've killed his family before the fact, they would've said never too. Nothing is certain. It's a different situation. One is a de facto management policy and the other is the mindset of a madman. Vince will always be a mark for musclemen. Vince will always treat cruiserweights as jabronis, and can anyone really see Vince tolerating any rumblings of a union and all that it would bring? No chance.
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Post by JMA on Nov 9, 2007 0:22:07 GMT -5
Never say never. If you would've asked someone if Benoit would've killed his family before the fact, they would've said never too. Nothing is certain. It's a different situation. One is a de facto management policy and the other is the mindset of a madman. Vince will always be a mark for musclemen. Vince will always treat cruiserweights as jabronis, and can anyone really see Vince tolerating any rumblings of a union and all that it would bring? No chance. Vince won't be around forever. And he might not have much of a choice if the government really does get involved (which might not happen, but certainly could). As I said, nothing is certain in wrestling. Almost anything can happen.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Nov 9, 2007 1:06:41 GMT -5
I don't like how they read from Benot's diary about a dream he had in which his and Nancy's parents were in danger. They use it to protray him as a weird, nutty guy....but it was a dream. You don't even wanna know what goes on in my dreams. It's still an interesting study, even stranger in that he didn't just write about it, but wrote about it to Eddie right in the wake of Eddie's death. People deal with grief in different ways. I don't think writing letters to your dead friend, which no one else was probably meant to see, is really so unusual.
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