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Post by Jason on Feb 5, 2010 21:20:09 GMT -5
I honestly hate this guy for taking away all of Morrison's momentum. Sure I could blame the WWE for even giving JoMo the IC title, but there are so many better ways to drop it. They could even have had him hold the World and IC title if they were truly behind him. And I hate Morrison for taking away all of Ziggler's momentum... and I hate McIntyre even more for busting in and taking the belt OFF Morrison, when it should be Mr. Ziggles.
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Post by Jason on Feb 5, 2010 20:23:24 GMT -5
Every superstar, with the exception of CM Punk, who starts on ECW then moves to RAW or SmackDown!... Are... screwed. They become jobbers and just boring. Swagger was and is still awesome, but WWE freaking ruined him especially they ruined him when they had him lose that worthless trash Santino. Sheamus went from ECW to become WWE champion two months later. Not really 'screwed'. Kofi Kingston?
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Post by Jason on Feb 5, 2010 19:57:06 GMT -5
I was thinking "Stables & Arb..." just kidding. I look forward to it.
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Post by Jason on Feb 5, 2010 19:34:10 GMT -5
Isn't he busy with Bret? I thought that wrote the cheques alone. You know... the biggest storyline that has been 12 years in the making, that somehow magically resolves around "their boy" and Basketball Jones? Triple H is in the match, he's just as popular, if not more than Cena is. The kids love their DX, they have him. And it's not like it's something "new" anyways, the kids already had Cena as the champion, I'm sure they won't mind one PPV where he does something new for a change. If HHH was as popular as Cena, then why wasn't the crowd chanting for him instead of Cena at the conclusion of RAW last week? Just an observation. Because they know what DX did to Bret?
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Post by Jason on Feb 5, 2010 19:16:29 GMT -5
World Heavyweight Title Edge vs Chris Jericho
WWE Title Sheamus vs Triple H
The Streak The Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels II
12 Years in the making... John Cena (w/Bret Hart) vs Batista (w/Vince McMahon)
Money in the Bank - 10 Men, first time ever. 1. Evan Bourne, 2. The Miz, 3. MVP, 4. Shelton Benjamin, 5. Jack Swagger, 6. Dolph Ziggler, 7. R-Truth, 8. Kofi Kingston, 9. John Morrison, 10. Kane.
Divas and Womens Title Unification Gail Kim vs Mickie James
Tag Team Championship Turmoil The Hart Dynasty vs The Straight Edge Society vs Cryme Tyme vs Khali & Hardy.
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Post by Jason on Feb 5, 2010 15:22:20 GMT -5
Because Cena totally isn't supposed to be focusing on the chamber . Could have put somebody like Jack Swagger in that spot, somebody who isn't pulling double duty. But no, let's have Cena all over the place. Cena is the face of the company and easily their top guy. Using anyone else is just not smart business. That's like in the 80's, having Koko B Ware make the save on someone in a major angle instead of Hogan Isn't he busy with Bret? I thought that wrote the cheques alone. You know... the biggest storyline that has been 12 years in the making, that somehow magically resolves around "their boy" and Basketball Jones? Triple H is in the match, he's just as popular, if not more than Cena is. The kids love their DX, they have him. And it's not like it's something "new" anyways, the kids already had Cena as the champion, I'm sure they won't mind one PPV where he does something new for a change.
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Post by Jason on Feb 5, 2010 15:18:00 GMT -5
MVP, I hope. Jack Swagger could pull off a "Lesnar" type win if he gets his push before then.
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Post by Jason on Feb 5, 2010 15:15:17 GMT -5
You pretty much nailed what I was trying to say. Well said. WWE spoiled us with realistic characters (if you wanna call it realistic) during the Attitude Era, to the point where you can't just go BACK to the cartoony, superhero characters during the late 80s/early 90s. Sure the current audience might like it, but not the fans that have watching for more than 10 years. So when the WWE goes back to the cartoony stuff, Cena sticks out as the "beyond human" superhero, which we reject. People like Edge, Jericho, Christian and hell even Orton still represent the realistic side of things. That's why people mostly prefer the characters in TNA over WWE. Sure TNA can't book themselves out of a paper bag, but atleast they can make stars we can get behind and actually relate to. Cena's no more superhuman that Sting, and it seems like people are fine with sting in TNA Saying that is like saying "The Undertaker" is no more superhuman than Cena. And the answer is... yes, HE IS. The Undertaker and Sting are supposed to be intimidating, they have the facepaint, the background, the mind games, and it's realistic. Yes, shooting fire at the ring isn't realistic, but I mean character wise. Wouldn't you be scared if somebody shot fire at you? Cena is a guy who comes out in a pair of baggy shorts, cracks some cringeworthy jokes that are constantly shoved down our throats by the crappy commentator's crappy forced laugh, and then he SCREAMS SO YOU KNOW HE'S SERIOUS!!!11. I'm sorry, but this guy doesn't look intimidating at all, and it's ridiculous that so many people back down from him. They want him to be something he's not. And that is, the next Hogan, Rock or Austin. The difference is, Cena is on top during an abortion of a show, where-as those 3 were on top during the boom period. The "eat your greens and say your prayers" characters got old when the Attitude Era started. That was an upgrade with the well... attitude, the blood the sex, the violence, it was all there and it was suddenly "the thing" to watch every monday night. Going back to characters like Cena these days is like going back to 2D games. They're liked by many, but at the end of the day, they're yesterday's news.
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Post by Jason on Feb 5, 2010 15:06:20 GMT -5
I hate when people use the phrase "He can't work", how are we supposed to know who can "work" or not, when we've never been in the ring with them?
He's most likely being booked as a very strict brawler and that's all we're allowed to see. Because all of his matches resolve around PUNCH, PUNCH, KICK, MORE PUNCHES, DOUBLE ARM DDT. And people are actually saying that as a professional wrestler himself, that's ALL he can do?
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Post by Jason on Feb 5, 2010 15:04:18 GMT -5
I REALLY hope they start pushing him after Wrestlemania, when he hopefully goes to Smackdown. And honestly? I think both him and Miz have more potential than Legacy, Morrison, Kingston AND McIntyre altogether.
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Post by Jason on Feb 5, 2010 15:00:09 GMT -5
I don't understand these complaints about him being cowardly. He got right in Edge's face on Monday. Just because you fail to initimidate someone doesn't mean you're a coward. True, but he also asked for the Rumble match off when Mike Tyson was hosting. And he didn't get into the ring when Cena was all fired up tons of times. I just fail to see what's so bad about a heel being a badass, is it because the fans will cheer them? What is it? I don't get why they just can't let him look better than their Cena's, Orton's and Triple H's.
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Post by Jason on Feb 5, 2010 3:13:10 GMT -5
Pat Patterson 6 Tito Santana 2 Randy Savage 5 Ricky Steamboat 7 Honky Tonk Man 7 Mr Perfect 7 Texas Tornado 7 Bret Hart 6 Shawn Michaels 6 Diesel 5 Goldust 6 Owen Hart 7 Stone Cold 4 Val Venis 4 Edge 7 Chyna 6 Kane 2 Christian 6 William Regal 5 Johnny Nitro/John Morrison 6
Eliminations: The Mountie Ric Flair Rey Mysterio Ken Patera Drew McIntyre Marc Mero The Godfather Dean Douglas Billy Gunn Shelton Benjamin Marty Jannetty Jeff Hardy Umaga Road Dogg Carlito Chris Benoit JBL Albert Lance Storm Test Booker T D-Lo Brown Ahmed Johnson Roddy Piper Ultimate Warrior Jeff Jarrett CM Punk Eddie Guerrero Randy Orton Kurt Angle Don Muraco Rikishi Triple H Ken Shamrock Kofi Kingston Chris Jericho Greg Valentine Rick Rude Santino Marella Rocky Maivia/ The Rock Pedro Morales British Bulldog Razor Ramon Rob Van Dam
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Post by Jason on Feb 5, 2010 3:07:40 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Bruce Willis is a ghost
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Post by Jason on Feb 5, 2010 3:01:43 GMT -5
I definitely agree with Chris Jericho. His current "hypocrite" schtick has worn out and has been stale for almost a year now. I don't get these "fantastic" promos people claim he's been given nowadays. I liked his 2008 run, but I think this serious thing should have ended after he ended the Shawn Michaels feud. There's nothing else for him to rant on, and I don't see how we're "hypocrites" for cheering for the wrestler's he's feuding with. I got it with the HBK feud, because we were cheering for a guy who faked an injury. He isn't even an honest man anymore, he cheats alot and it puts a poop stain on the underpants of the gimmick.
And I find his ring-work to be incredibly overrated, yep. I'm not saying he's not great in the ring, I just feel that the IWC has always overrated this guy. I'd rank Edge above him, ring-wise, mic-wise, character-wise and just overall.
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Post by Jason on Feb 5, 2010 2:01:56 GMT -5
Because Cena totally isn't supposed to be focusing on the chamber . Could have put somebody like Jack Swagger in that spot, somebody who isn't pulling double duty. But no, let's have Cena all over the place.
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Post by Jason on Feb 5, 2010 0:25:08 GMT -5
It's probably because they won't let him go over any established stars. You're exactly right, Sheamus should be a big monster who absolutely dominates people, but instead he's your typical cowardly heel who tries to get out of fights and is made to look well... crap.
Brock Lesnar went over RVD, Hulk Hogan, The Undertaker, Kurt Angle etc all whilst he was on top, Sheamus beat Cena accidently, as the commentators keep stretching. Instead of saying Sheamus pushed Cena through the table and won fair, they say Cena "lost his balance but it doesn't matter, Sheamus is our champion." They should be stretching the guy's dominance by saying "Last night, Sheamus did the unthinkable, the unpredictable, he threw John Cena through the table and is now our WWE Champion, who can stop this guy?!".
This company has lost it's ability to make stars, I hate to say it. But they barely let any guys go over their wrestlers clean anymore. He was a HAIR away from losing to Randy Orton on sunday, and then he won via DQ. Yeah, great. Because it's SO bad for your WWE Champion to go over a main eventer clean. That wouldn't make Orton look bad, that would make Sheamus look good. And that's all, Orton would lose no heat. MVP, Bourne and Finlay all lost to him in jobber fashion, that makes THEM look bad.
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Post by Jason on Feb 5, 2010 0:17:57 GMT -5
Because people who don't like Cena thought it was a load of crap, but the people who like Edge obviously didn't.
There's nothing else to it, really. People didn't want to see Cena win it, so they were angry. In my eyes, Cena is boring, stale and not at all good in the ring. ESPECIALLY not at selling, you could put a hot tea-pot on the guy's head and he would no sell it when the match is done. They're up his ass and make him out to be something he's not, where-as with Edge. They're not shoving him down our throats and making people sick of him, when moments like this happen.
Edge is just cool and Cena is not. His character resolves around "respect, and loyalty", and he practically never ever shuts up about not quitting or giving up. Most adults don't like that schtick, they don't like superhero characters who never lose clean. They don't like guys who always overcome the odds in the end. We prefer people who have a bit of Edge (no pun intended) to their characters, guys who are funny on the mic and guys who are actually booked and made to look... you know, human.
Just my take on it. I think that's a reason why most people on the internet prefer guys like Edge, Jericho, Christian, RVD etc over guys like Cena, Batista, Triple H.
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Post by Jason on Feb 4, 2010 22:34:23 GMT -5
MVP has got all it takes to be on the top, and for whatever reason, he's STILL stuck in the midcard.
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Post by Jason on Feb 4, 2010 21:55:44 GMT -5
Bourne vs Carlito is probably my WWE MOTY so far along with Chavo/Primo/Masters from last week. So I'm going with that.
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Post by Jason on Feb 4, 2010 21:30:40 GMT -5
I always thought Miz would go further than Morrison. He was just more funny on the dirt sheet and had that something Morrison didn't. I was a fan of the team, but mostly because of Miz. My favourite dirt sheet was the one where they were doing the Finlay brothers . My favourite match would have to be Rey Mysterio & Evan Bourne vs MizMo from a Raw in late 2008.
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