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Post by Some Guy on Jul 29, 2023 14:08:11 GMT -5
Nyla/Shida from last night really reminded me off the talent they have that doesn't get nearly the spotlight they should get. Shida's reactions are still amazing. Riho's are the same when she shows up. I know Shida has a lot of outside commitments but still. I miss when Kenny was booking the women
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Post by Some Guy on Jul 28, 2023 22:18:42 GMT -5
Yuka/Riho cold got a This is Awesome chant after not being booked for months for either. Shida consistently gets bigger reactions than Britt. Willow had a main event where the crowd was fully on her side. Statlander goes without saying since she got an entire arena to turn on Ruby just for beating her. Britt is over enough I guess but she's not THAT over that can overcome her utter lack of showing a single thing in the ring in like a year.
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Post by Some Guy on Jul 28, 2023 22:07:47 GMT -5
Shida gets the title shot at Dynamite 200. Presumably, that means Britt vs. Toni at All In. Jesus Christ
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Post by Some Guy on Jul 28, 2023 13:16:26 GMT -5
AEW announced Okada/Danielson & Omega/Ospreay on June 4th, 3 weeks before Forbidden Door. Those announcements alone were enough for most people to declare the PPV an amazing card (the majority of the rest of that card was only announced in the week leading up to the PPV). I feel if AEW just have two massive matches announced by the end of Dynamite on Wed (3 1/2 weeks before Wembley), then a lot of these complaints re: the card for the event disappear. The unknowing is what is getting at people, I think. You have this massive collection of talent and so many options, people just want to be put of their misery and know the card lol. I get that. I've seen so many wishlists and predicted cards for this and to be honest I love like, 90% of them so I'm probably going to be happy no matter what. But then I'm easy to please and I'll be there live too But again, the problem is that Forbidden Door had about 15K people and this has around 80K. It was also always going to have Omega/Ospreay even if that wasn't announced for a while beforehand. That card in general you can basically just glue NJPW/AEW guys together and it'll work out fine. This is just not that. The entire issue I and others are having is that you can't treat this like the normal event because it's not. Even with All Out the next week, that has a capacity of 15-20K or so. Full Gear wil probably take place in front of 12-15K. Grand Slam about the same. These are all going to be solidly attended events, but they're not All In. They need to treat this as a bigger deal than they are on AEW TV, and they're failing to do that right.
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Post by Some Guy on Jul 28, 2023 13:05:04 GMT -5
So basically Shida will become championship padding for Toni, disappear for 3 months while Britt appears every Dynamite and gets a PPV shot? The issue besides Britt getting the shot is that Saraya will be left out doing nothing outside of managing, maybe this will turn into a fatal 4 way match for the title.
This sounds like the ideal role for Saraya
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Post by Some Guy on Jul 28, 2023 0:48:41 GMT -5
I am always happy whenever we get Sonny Kiss/Slim J appearances on a show. Barely need anything else, these two rule together or apart.
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Post by Some Guy on Jul 27, 2023 22:36:36 GMT -5
The last two Acclaimed/House of Black matches were completely nothing, so to do it a third time in that environment would certainly be a choice. Also One Night Only had attendance of 11,000. That's about on par with what WWF was doing for most general shows at that time, so they didn't really need to do anything special. This is by far, BY FAR, the biggest gate AEW has ever had and may ever have. So to treat it like that would be unbelievably stupid if they want to make a note of how important they will treat their biggest shows as. I assume Acclaimed are on the card but idk where they take the Daddy Ass story Hung Bucks vs House of Black would realistically be the biggest Trios Match they could do if they don't do FTR/Bucks. I'd PERSONALLY do FTR/Bullet Club Gold III, if FTR keep the titles, maybe with an added stipulation. They already did Omega and the Bucks/House of Black, don't really see the need to morph it and run that back. I'd rather they just do FTR/Bucks and Kenny/Punk, especially if they really are unsure if the Bucks or Kenny are staying since those are the biggest matches you can do with either. For Hangman I have absolutely no idea what to do with him. He's been either intertwined with quasi Elite/Dark Order stuff or Jon Moxley for basically a year at this point. It would have been cool to get an actual Hangman/Claudio match at one point but seems like that entire thing is fully done so I got nothing.
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Post by Some Guy on Jul 27, 2023 22:16:34 GMT -5
Hangman not really getting a lot of singles action (no TV singles match since Revolution) and promo time in the last 4-5 months. Wonder if he gets a big feature spot or not here as a building block of the company or if there’s still concern over him leaving at year’s end (especially with Punk seemingly back for good). He's either in a Trios Match with The Elite, or doing something on the card Hung Bucks vs House of Black would be a really good Wembley Match... unless they go with Acclaimed vs House of Black III The last two Acclaimed/House of Black matches were completely nothing, so to do it a third time in that environment would certainly be a choice. Also One Night Only had attendance of 11,000. That's about on par with what WWF was doing for most general shows at that time, so they didn't really need to do anything special. This is by far, BY FAR, the biggest gate AEW has ever had and may ever have. So to treat it like that would be unbelievably stupid if they want to make a note of how important they will treat their biggest shows as.
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Post by Some Guy on Jul 27, 2023 22:13:03 GMT -5
AEW has far too much talent to have the 3rd best women's division in wrestling Hell 3rd best might be too generous. WWE is obviously miles ahead, Impact generally is better at booking their women in actual stories/more often, GCW only gets occasional shows but they absolutely place a higher emphasis on pushing women, and then obviously Stardom/whatnot. Plus, ROH's weekly show tends to book the women better than the main show does but that's a whole other thing. Also I think the thing lost here is that even with The Outcasts point, it pushed them to do stuff with Britt/Saraya that they planned against realizing how completely unready Saraya was for being a face. What should have just been a Hayter/Britt feud after Hayter won the title because this really baffling Outcast stuff solely from that. So as much as I don't like Britt at all, I think the issue really was that Tony wanted a premium spot for Saraya and didn't realize that she doesn't really have it anymore. And everything since then has been a slow crawl from there.
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Post by Some Guy on Jul 27, 2023 16:40:45 GMT -5
Tagging Darby with Goldberg and Sting is still the way to go at All In
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Post by Some Guy on Jul 27, 2023 14:05:37 GMT -5
Honestly this just sounds like a random PPV set of matches rather than the biggest show they've ever done. Hell basically everything they've built would almost be a set of rematches to some degree. That's just what feels like the issue. This should feel HUGE. Tony should be going full throttle in the sense of even doubling the Okada/Danielson and Ospreay/Kenny matches but bigger. And he's just not. He hasn't even officially announced anything yet and we're acting like he's not gonna go full throttle or stack this card and it'll be forgetful or "Look like Fight for the Fallen" Guys... we should know how Tony books PPV cards by now... he waits awhile, but that doesn't mean the cards aren't gonna be good. Can at least wait till things are official. *insert clip of Punk saying THAT'S THE PROBLEM VINCE* Waiting too long to do this IS the issue. We are less than a month out and to have your biggest show ever a month out with no announced matches IS the issue. I know Tony pulling shit out of his ass works all the time, but there's a point where you have to put your foot down and f***ing book.
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Post by Some Guy on Jul 27, 2023 13:54:29 GMT -5
It's amazing how the same people who make personal attacks against Britt turn around and say that they care about women's wrestling and the women in it. Don't really understand this logic. Can people not like Britt Baker while caring about women's wrestling independent of not caring about Britt?
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Post by Some Guy on Jul 27, 2023 13:50:12 GMT -5
Honestly this just sounds like a random PPV set of matches rather than the biggest show they've ever done. Hell basically everything they've built would almost be a set of rematches to some degree. That's just what feels like the issue. This should feel HUGE. Tony should be going full throttle in the sense of even doubling the Okada/Danielson and Ospreay/Kenny matches but bigger. And he's just not. Could not agree more. There’s not too much juice anywhere on the card. With the possibility of Omega/Ospreay withstanding. This should be the biggest show in AEW history and the presumed card feels like Fight for the Fallen. I don't really think doing Omega/Ospreay AGAIN is the move for a card of this size but then if you say Kenny/Punk is the match to do you get shit so what can ya do.
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Post by Some Guy on Jul 27, 2023 12:04:29 GMT -5
I don't mean to be obtuse, but how many stories are we talking about here? If we include both tv shows, I can think of four. MJF/Cole - Not sure if this will be for the world title or if they win the tag titles Swerve/Darby - This is a recent development, but it did get some shine last night Punk/Starks - This has been building. Admittedly, I hate the face/heel alignment of this feud, but I digress Andrade/HoB - This will probably morph into a trios feud soon Outside of that, there isn't much. BCC vs The Elite is done. The women's division stories are non-existent at the moment. Miro has no direction beside beating people every other week. OC is having great title defenses, but he is just facing people week to week without a singular focused feud. Granted, Moxley may be that person for OC after last night. You could mention Jericho/Callis, but what match are they building towards. Bullet Club Gold is having a good run, but they aren't currently feuding with anyone. Samoa Joe attacked Punk and hasn't been on TV since. Omega could face Ospreay, but that will have to start building next week. The Bucks and Hangman have nothing set up (post B&G). The short version of this is that I can understand announcing the matches the week of the show, but there doesn't seem to be a focus on hyping up All-In as much as it could be. Off the top of my head: 1. MJF/Cole 2. Moxley/Orange 3. Punk/Starks 4. Don Callis Family/Elite saga 5. JAS Breakup Angle 6. Swerve/Darby stuff 7. Andrade/House of Black 8. Jack Perry/HOOK 9. BCC/Death Triangle 10. Storm/Shida Honestly this just sounds like a random PPV set of matches rather than the biggest show they've ever done. Hell basically everything they've built would almost be a set of rematches to some degree. That's just what feels like the issue. This should feel HUGE. Tony should be going full throttle in the sense of even doubling the Okada/Danielson and Ospreay/Kenny matches but bigger. And he's just not.
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Post by Some Guy on Jul 26, 2023 22:31:26 GMT -5
6 probably. Really enjoyed the OC/AR Fox and Darby/Swerve matches, and the tag/PAC matches were both fine, but it just feels like outside of MJF/Cole stuff that this company desperately needs a hot angle to ride on. Not sure this interlocking stuff they did in the main is it, either. Especially with their biggest show ever in less than a month, they need to be WAY hotter than they are right now. Also the women's match was just terrible. After Willow/Athena being as good as it was on Friday the fact that it has been followed up by two bad Taya matches is just sad. You can't blame Taya for tonight, she did her damndest after that botch to pick up the match and get people to care, as did Britt, but she's been injured for awhile, you could see that match was on her more than Taya. I don't think that was all on her or anything but I don't think there has ever really been a point where I've enjoyed a match of hers in any company. She's just always been whatever.
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Post by Some Guy on Jul 26, 2023 21:19:59 GMT -5
6 probably. Really enjoyed the OC/AR Fox and Darby/Swerve matches, and the tag/PAC matches were both fine, but it just feels like outside of MJF/Cole stuff that this company desperately needs a hot angle to ride on. Not sure this interlocking stuff they did in the main is it, either. Especially with their biggest show ever in less than a month, they need to be WAY hotter than they are right now.
Also the women's match was just terrible. After Willow/Athena being as good as it was on Friday the fact that it has been followed up by two bad Taya matches is just sad.
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Post by Some Guy on Jul 26, 2023 20:36:56 GMT -5
Another battle royal?
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Post by Some Guy on Jul 25, 2023 18:32:35 GMT -5
It's not just Punk's fight at the scrum that's leading to this. I also think it's a better climate in US wrestling now for straight-up babyfaces. Cody in AEW was an anomaly but WWE fans unironically love him and Seth, as they do Kevin and Sami and the new face Usos- and many of those fans are also tuning into Dynamite each week. The Acclaimed pander to crowds like nobody's business and they get away with it. Omega's been a firm good guy and beloved for it. AEW fans are clamoring for a new top face, Adam Cole is super over and fans are interested in a potentially heroic MJF. Plus, Cena in his current part-timer status gets showered with positivity. Maybe Punk's "I'm an asshole who tells it like it is" attitude post-scrum is also fueling some of the responses? It's also hilarious to me that the edgy, acerbic indy legend rebel is now the polarizing figure, as opposed to the alleged "too corporate-friendly and too kiddy and white-meat" superstar. I think this is wildly misreading the faces in wrestling here. Cole and MJF are cheered despite being cocky assholes in the company. Eddie Kingston gets along with nobody and gets cheered as much as anybody in the company. LA Knight got over as a mega face despite being a heel. Seth got extra over while being a heel that was flamboyant and over the top goofy. KO is hardly a nice guy face type as that has never been his character or way. Cody is basically the only pure face in the entire world and it works in WWE instead of AEW because this is a different world where he didn't do that godawful Ogogo promo/feud.
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Post by Some Guy on Jul 24, 2023 23:52:05 GMT -5
Maybe he was unsure about Vince lurking in the wings. Hunter has pushed Asuka and Iyo but Vince has never gotten behind an ESL wrestler not named Del Rio in recent years even being fluent in English couldn't help Miro and Claudio. Meltzer also mentioned that he'd likely start in NXT and AEW's offer was miles ahead of even the highest paid guys in NXT. WWE has a lot to offer obviously but it would have been a dip in pay. Also he just became a dad, and AEW's schedule is much more favorable to new parents than the WWE.
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Post by Some Guy on Jul 24, 2023 10:06:50 GMT -5
The only difference here, is that Cody repeatedly insisted that he wouldn’t turn and didn’t really play into the crowd booing him. He just kept playing the earnest babyface through the boos. Punk, in the other hand, has played into the mixed reactions more often than not since his return. In terms of meta-watching the show, didn't that make Cody more of a heel? "When and how I portray my gimmick, I'm consciously choosing to go against the majority reaction I receive from the live audience." Yeah the guy willing to light himself on fire to get cheered is definitely a meta heel
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