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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2007 23:57:00 GMT -5
This is something I was thinking about today. What if WWE had never revived ECW? What would have happened to the following superstars?
Sandman
Sabu
Kurt Angle
Balls Mahoney
RVD
Tommy Dreamer
CM Punk
Big Show
Big Daddy V
Bobby Lashley
Snitsky
Kevin Thorn
John Morrison
Elijah Burke
Marcus Cor Von
Hardcore Holly
Matt Striker
Ariel
Kelly
Layla
Miz
Test
and finally(please be civil)
Chris Benoit
I know others have been in ECW, but these are the big ones(feel free to add in anyone I left off). How many of them would still be employed? Or never would have been employed? Please, discuss. I'll throw in my 2 cents later, I just wanted to post this before I forgot.
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Post by Kyle on Dec 13, 2007 0:06:15 GMT -5
I think Kurt would have wound up in TNA regardless, he sounded pretty burnt out being in the WWE.
Bob Holly would have been on Smackdown doing... nothing, until he was called up to Raw to work with Cody Rhodes, just like he is currently.
Viscera, I'm sure they'd have kept him as "The Worlds Largest Love Machine" and he'd have been released from his contract about now. So ECW was a good thing for Big Visc.
Matt Striker would have went from Raw to Smackdown, got a possible re-package, and then after that didn't work, he'd be let go and TNA would probably pick him up.
Test never would have went to TNA... not that it really mattered as he was in TNA for like a week.
Sabu would have stayed in TNA, probably still be there.
RVD would have gotten his title shot on Raw, won... and may have gotten a decent title run, since he couldn't have gotten caught smoking pot with Sabu (since Sabu would have still been in TNA). I'm sure he'd still be on the active roster on either Raw or Smackdown.
Chris Benoit... that was just inevitable, unfortunately. I've read (as well I'm sure many of you have) that Chris may have felt that ECW was a "demotion", we'll never know if thats truly how he felt. But I"m sure if ECW would have never been around, Chris would have found something else the WWE had "done" to him to be the same type of "demotion" (if that makes since)
~Kyle
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2007 0:14:13 GMT -5
I think Kurt would have wound up in TNA regardless, he sounded pretty burnt out being in the WWE. Bob Holly would have been on Smackdown doing... nothing, until he was called up to Raw to work with Cody Rhodes, just like he is currently. Viscera, I'm sure they'd have kept him as "The Worlds Largest Love Machine" and he'd have been released from his contract about now. So ECW was a good thing for Big Visc. Matt Striker would have went from Raw to Smackdown, got a possible re-package, and then after that didn't work, he'd be let go and TNA would probably pick him up. Test never would have went to TNA... not that it really mattered as he was in TNA for like a week. Sabu would have stayed in TNA, probably still be there. RVD would have gotten his title shot on Raw, won... and may have gotten a decent title run, since he couldn't have gotten caught smoking pot with Sabu (since Sabu would have still been in TNA). I'm sure he'd still be on the active roster on either Raw or Smackdown. Chris Benoit... that was just inevitable, unfortunately. I've read (as well I'm sure many of you have) that Chris may have felt that ECW was a "demotion", we'll never know if thats truly how he felt. But I"m sure if ECW would have never been around, Chris would have found something else the WWE had "done" to him to be the same type of "demotion" (if that makes since) ~Kyle As far as Benoit goes, I feel that if he been moved to Raw, he(and Nacy and Daniel) would still be alive. I think that the move to ECW was the final straw for him. I won't elaborate, because I don't want this to turn into yet another Benoit thread. I just wanted to get that out of the way. |
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Post by JMA on Dec 13, 2007 0:33:40 GMT -5
Sandman - Working the indies.
Sabu - Working Japan.
Kurt Angle - Stiil in WWE on a reduced schedule.
Balls Mahoney - Indies. Probably IWA, CZW, or PWU.
RVD - He'd still get a reign as a transitional WWE Champion. I think he'd still be on Raw too.
Tommy Dreamer - Office job.
CM Punk - SmackDown midcarder.
Big Show - Still in WWE on a reduced schedule.
Big Daddy V - Raw midcard comedy act. Might have been released.
Lashley - Still on SmackDown in the US title division.
Snitsky - No change.
Kevin Thorn - He would still be in developmental.
John Morrison - Still Nitro and on Raw.
Elijah Burke - Lower midcarder on SmackDown.
Marcus Cor Von - SmackDown. Still would've left.
Hardcore Holly - Holly would still be pushed (probably on SmackDown) and still only be over as an average midcarder (not that there's anything wrong with that).
Matt Striker - Jobber on Raw. Maybe an announcer/manager too.
Ariel - Developmental.
Kelly - Developmental.
Layla - SmackDown.
Miz - SmackDown.
Chris Benoit - Still alive. I'll leave it at that.
Test - Not re-hired in the first place.
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Post by darbus alan on Dec 13, 2007 0:36:38 GMT -5
Sandman - I forget, did Sandman ever work for TNA? I think he'd be working for them on a part-time basis. We'd never see him set foot in a WWE ring without the ECW revival.
Sabu - Same as Sandman, part-time TNA work like he was already doing.
Kurt Angle - He was never going to be THE top dog in the company as long as Cena was around. That and the toll the WWE schedule was doing on him, and I think he would've ended up at TNA anyway.
Balls Mahoney - Probably doing indy work or retired from wrestling.
RVD - He might still be in the WWE, though who knows. I think he would've stayed on RAW as an upper midcarder, potentially getting into the main event scene, though he wouldn't beat Cena for the WWE Championship. This also means he wouldn't have been pulled over as WWE and ECW Champion, meaning his career wouldn't have suffered so.
Tommy Dreamer - He'd continue working with Developmental.
CM Punk - He wouldn't get the push he's getting now, but I could see him as a very solid midcarder on Smackdown, with a potential US Title reign.
Big Show - Still would've retired, though not as high as he was on the card.
Big Daddy V - Still doing the job on Heat and the occassional RAW as Viscera.
Bobby Lashley - He'd remain in the upper midcard/main event scene in SmackDown, with a potential move to RAW.
Snitsky - See Big Daddy V.
Kevin Thorn - Would've never been rehired by the WWE.
John Morrison - Still Johnny Nitro and stuck in Midcard Hell on RAW.
Elijah Burke - Would've become a solid midcard heel on SmackDown, potentially teaming with MVP and others in a stable.
Marcus Cor Von - Probably would've ended up on RAW or SmackDown as a solid midcarder, maybe winning a championship. Unfortunately, the cause of his release had nothing to do with what brand he was, so it would've happened anyway.
Hardcore Holly - Hanging around the lower midcard on RAW or SmackDown like he usually does.
Matt Striker - Continue to be a jobber on Heat.
Ariel - Would've probably ended up on RAW. Potentially still employed as being on RAW meant less exposure to one Batista
Kelly - RAW Diva.
Layla - SmackDown Diva.
Miz - Lower Midcarder with the highlights of his matches being JBL's hatred to him.
Test - Never would've been rehired.
Chris Benoit - Unfortunately, still dead. ECW may have played some role in his snapping as a sort of "final straw," but if it wasn't that, it would've been something else. Benoit was a very troubled man, and what happened was inevitable.
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Post by Kyle on Dec 13, 2007 0:42:57 GMT -5
Marcus Cor Von - Probably would've ended up on RAW or SmackDown as a solid midcarder, maybe winning a championship. Unfortunately, the cause of his release had nothing to do with what brand he was, so it would've happened anyway. I don't follow a lot of the news such as this. What exactly happened to him? ~Kyle |
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Post by BillyBlood on Dec 13, 2007 0:51:51 GMT -5
RVD: Still on RAW
Hardcore Holly: Everything that has happened now would have happened, only Hardcore would've stayed on Smackdown longer than he did.
CM Punk: Smackdown midcarder
Sandman: Probably would have not been signed and working the indies
Sabu: Probably in TNA
Balls Mahoney: See Sandman
Kevin Thorne: Probably returned as Mordecai in Smackdown or eventually released
Big Daddy V: Released around the time the draft occurred
John Morrison: Still Nitro on RAW
Elijah Burke: Smackdown midcarder
Tommy Dreamer: Office Job
Ariel: Never signed and probably would be still doing softcore fetish pics.
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Post by Ass Dan on Dec 13, 2007 1:03:39 GMT -5
Sandman - Not hired
Sabu - Hired, inducts the Original Sheik to HOF, fired
Kurt Angle - Still goes to TNA
Balls Mahoney - Not hired
RVD - Still wins WWE title, but gets shoved back down to IC title
Tommy Dreamer - Remains offscreen
CM Punk - Feuds with MVP
Big Show - Feuds with Cena, still leaves
Big Daddy V - Still Viscera, tags continues to tag with Val Venis
Bobby Lashley - Wins World Heavyweight Championship at WrestleMania 23, gets injured
Snitsky - Heat
Kevin Thorn - Returns as Mordecai, possibly feuds with the Undertaker
John Morrison - Still Johnny Nitro, remains in IC title hunt
Elijah Burke - Drafted to RAW, finds tag-team with...someone
Marcus Cor Von - Briefly on RAW, does nothing
Hardcore Holly - Remains on SmackDown!/Velocity
Matt Striker - Feuds with Carlito Caribbean Cool, drafted to SmackDown!, manages Mark Henry
Ariel - Does nothing on SmackDown!
Kelly - See above
Layla - See above
Miz - Velocity mainstay
Test - Not hired
Chris Benoit - We'll never know
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2007 1:04:44 GMT -5
Marcus Cor Von - Probably would've ended up on RAW or SmackDown as a solid midcarder, maybe winning a championship. Unfortunately, the cause of his release had nothing to do with what brand he was, so it would've happened anyway. I don't follow a lot of the news such as this. What exactly happened to him? ~Kyle His sister passed away and he's had to raise her children. |
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Post by Just "Dan" is Fine, Thank You on Dec 13, 2007 1:32:49 GMT -5
I don't follow a lot of the news such as this. What exactly happened to him? ~Kyle His sister passed away and he's had to raise her children. And all without a Bernie Mac gimmick. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Dec 13, 2007 3:42:08 GMT -5
Ariel: Never signed and probably would be still doing softcore fetish pics. she was already signed before ECW was even thought of being "revived" |
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 13, 2007 8:42:28 GMT -5
Ariel: Never signed and probably would be still doing softcore fetish pics. she was already signed before ECW was even thought of being "revived" Yeah, I don't know why she wasn't brought in as Birchall's buxom wench. |
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Post by Cheeba on Dec 13, 2007 9:02:34 GMT -5
Sandman - indies
Sabu - TNA/indies
Kurt Angle - TNA
Balls Mahoney - indies
RVD - RAW
Tommy Dreamer - RAW (but inactive as a wrestler)
CM Punk - Smackdown
Big Show - Same place he is now (wherever that is)
Big Daddy V - RAW jobber
Bobby Lashley - RAW
Snitsky - RAW
Kevin Thorn - indies
John Morrison - Smackdown
Elijah Burke - Smackdown
Marcus Cor Von - Same place he is now (wherever that is)
Hardcore Holly - RAW
Matt Striker - Smackdown jobber
Ariel - TNA
Kelly - Smackdown
Layla - Smackdown
Miz - Smackdown
Test - Same place he is now (wherever that is)
and finally(please be civil)
Chris Benoit - No comment
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2007 15:24:57 GMT -5
Alright, here are my opinions.
I think that RVD would have held the WWE Title until SNME, which is where he was supposed to lose it anyway. Then he would have transistioned into the IC Title picture once more.
Dreamer would have done the angle with Foley for One Night Stand and then go back to his office job.
Punk would have debuted on Smackdown, but politics would have kept him mired in the midcard until the draft, when he would have been moved to Raw and added to a stellar IC Title division.
Morrison would be part of said IC Title division.
Angle and Show would have ended up taking time off, with Show returning only to work a Mick Foley schedule. Angle probably would have returned in time for the Royal Rumble and a Wrestlemania match with Bobby Lashley.
Lashley would have been an upper midcarder, possibly on the same level as Kane and Mysterio.
Snitsky, Big Daddy V, and Striker would have been released shortly after Wrestlemania 23.
Balls, Sabu, Sandman, Thorn, and Kelly would have never been hired.
Test would have been a McMahon stooge during the DX angle.
Ariel would have been on Smackdown, feuding with Ashley and Jillian as a heel, Krystal and Jillian as a face, Ashley, Layla, and Michelle as a heel again, and then her fateful meeting with Batista, and future endeavors.
Holly would be doing what he usually does, facing new guys on the way in and putting over the big stars.
Burke probably would have feuded with Lashley at some point on Smackdown, before joining up with The World's Greatest Tag Team on Raw.
Layla would still be on Smackdown, as a face with no direction, possibly being Smackdown's Maria, jobbing to the top divas on the brand.
Miz would be on Smackdown, and one half of the champions, only with Kenny instead of Morrison.
Cor Von would have recieved a push on Raw, feuding with Cena before having to leave.
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