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Post by ChitownKnight on Dec 15, 2007 22:38:06 GMT -5
Does anyone know why they are in bad terms?
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Post by wwerules60 on Dec 15, 2007 22:44:32 GMT -5
*Insert crazy Stephanie Mcmahon rumor here*
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Post by plushtar on Dec 15, 2007 22:47:43 GMT -5
*Cue the Randy Savage is a pedophile rumors*
I honestly haven't heard any CONFIRMED incidents which state that Randy Savage and Vince hate each other. I think Savage is just out of the business. Aside from a rare itnerview with WWE Magazine and a series of TNA appearances, he hasn't done anything in the industry since WCW died.
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Post by Hulk With A Mustache on Dec 15, 2007 22:48:37 GMT -5
I have no idea. I think it's because Savage went to WCW, but a lot WWF guys went to WCW. And, Vince isn't pissed at all of them. I mean, it's not like Savage showed up on Nitro like Lex Luger. I can understand why Vince would be pissed at Luger for that, but the reason he hates the Macho Man so much has eluded. Hell, I'm beginning to think Savage did take Stephanie's virginity.
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Post by Edison taps to the ARMBAR! on Dec 15, 2007 22:52:15 GMT -5
Because Hulk . . . I mean Vince won't be a man! OH YEAAAAAH!!!!!
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Post by chunkylover53 on Dec 15, 2007 22:57:24 GMT -5
If Savage had sex with a young Stephanie McMahon, why couldn't Vince just call the police?
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Dec 15, 2007 22:59:34 GMT -5
The only thing I've heard that gives any credence to the reports that Vince and Randy are on bad terms is the story that Vince personally stopped Jakks/Pacific from making a Randy Savage action figure (when they've done people like Warrior and Sammartino). Savage still appears on history and highlight packages and on DVDs. People talk about him on DVD documentaries. He's mentioned every now and then on the website, in the magazines, and on TV. If Vince couldn't stand him, I doubt he'd allow him to be glorified in any history packages or spoken of positively on DVDs.
If it weren't for people on the internet telling me that Vince hates him, I wouldn't have suspected anything. Besides, Vince gave him a pretty cordial send-off on Raw after he left. True, he hasn't appeared in any capacity for WWE in like 13 years, but who's to say he has wanted to go there?
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Post by Aceorton on Dec 16, 2007 3:02:42 GMT -5
I'll float a wild theory out here: It has to do with movies.
Savage, without any sort of boost from WWE, had a high-profile role in "Spider-Man," which broke box-office records. Starting with "No Holds Barred," no movie Vince McMahon has ever been involved with has had even 1/5th that level of success.
The Rock and Hogan's movie careers began when they were still in Vince's camp, so McMahon can chalk those up as personal triumphs. But not with Savage. And every stinker that WWE Films cranks out just rubs it in more for McMahon.
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Post by Stevie J on Dec 16, 2007 3:05:07 GMT -5
I think Vince hates anybody he can't buy, and Bruno Sammartino and Randy Poffo are two of the few.
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Post by sexualvanilla on Dec 16, 2007 3:18:37 GMT -5
If Savage had sex with a young Stephanie McMahon, why couldn't Vince just call the police? Vince runs a company consisting of a large group of tough guys, many of whom would leave Savage lying next to Jimmy Hoffa if it meant getting on Vince's good side. If Savage would mess with Steph, Vince's family, I don't think you'd be hearing anything about Savage at all. But I've heard it has more to do with both not being able to come to terms on any sort of arrangement than anything. It takes two to tango and we don't know if they could agree on anything but ya never know. There's rumors that Hogan's deal with the company basically says they get Hogan as long as Savage isn't around but haven't heard much about it being true or not
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Post by thwak is T.hawk on Dec 16, 2007 4:03:50 GMT -5
also the steph rumors are something that can't make that much sense considering that macho left on good terms. so much so that vince actually gave him a sign off.
the only possible guess as to why savage hasn't come back probably has to do with either money or hogan not wanting him to come back.
I don't know how true money is however, since a savage return would probably draw HUGE numbers in the wwe.
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Post by Jack on Dec 16, 2007 4:19:13 GMT -5
I have no idea. I think it's because Savage went to WCW, but a lot WWF guys went to WCW. And, Vince isn't pissed at all of them. I mean, it's not like Savage showed up on Nitro like Lex Luger. Um...yes he did.
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Post by The Booty Disciple on Dec 16, 2007 4:26:30 GMT -5
I have no idea. I think it's because Savage went to WCW, but a lot WWF guys went to WCW. And, Vince isn't pissed at all of them. I mean, it's not like Savage showed up on Nitro like Lex Luger. Um...yes he did. Savage didn't walk out on a handshake agreement and appear on Nitro less than a week after he finished up, ostensibly while Vince still thought he'd be working for Titan. Hell, that was the first time Vince got burned on handshake agreements like that...the second being when he finally wised up, and it took Rick Rude being on both telecasts at the same time to do it.
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Post by Max on Dec 16, 2007 4:31:01 GMT -5
Let me ortonize it for you! TAKE OUT THE TANNER PART TAKE OUT THE JIM PART
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Post by Erik Majorwitz on Dec 16, 2007 4:31:39 GMT -5
If Savage had sex with a young Stephanie McMahon, why couldn't Vince just call the police? He didn't want to break kayfabe?
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Post by Jack on Dec 16, 2007 4:51:03 GMT -5
Savage didn't walk out on a handshake agreement and appear on Nitro less than a week after he finished up, ostensibly while Vince still thought he'd be working for Titan. Hell, that was the first time Vince got burned on handshake agreements like that...the second being when he finally wised up, and it took Rick Rude being on both telecasts at the same time to do it. Vince was preparing for Monday Night Raw where he thought Savage would be in his usual place at the commentary table, it was only when he didn't show up and he turned on Nitro (which then started before Raw) that he saw Savage there and realised he wouldn't be at Raw. That's when he asked Lawler to stand in at the last minute. Now, Savage clearly then couldn't have been under contract so most likely had a "handshake" agreement with Vince to work some future dates, so I don't see how Savage's departure wouldn't p-off Vince as much as Lugers.
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Post by Leaving after 1,600 on Dec 16, 2007 4:53:11 GMT -5
If Savage had sex with a young Stephanie McMahon, why couldn't Vince just call the police? He didn't want to break kayfabe? You know i always though Savage was a pedo, i mean he comes out to HIGHSCHOOL graduation music.
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Post by The Booty Disciple on Dec 16, 2007 5:12:24 GMT -5
Savage didn't walk out on a handshake agreement and appear on Nitro less than a week after he finished up, ostensibly while Vince still thought he'd be working for Titan. Hell, that was the first time Vince got burned on handshake agreements like that...the second being when he finally wised up, and it took Rick Rude being on both telecasts at the same time to do it. Vince was preparing for Monday Night Raw where he thought Savage would be in his usual place at the commentary table, it was only when he didn't show up and he turned on Nitro (which then started before Raw) that he saw Savage there and realised he wouldn't be at Raw. That's when he asked Lawler to stand in at the last minute. Now, Savage clearly then couldn't have been under contract so most likely had a "handshake" agreement with Vince to work some future dates, so I don't see how Savage's departure wouldn't p-off Vince as much as Lugers. He didn't turn up in WCW until December at StarrCade. His contract had come up in August, and Vince and Savage couldn't come to terms. When that happened, Savage did a few appearances in Smokey Mountain before he signed with Turner. It wasn't a 6 day turnaround like it was with Luger, and Savage was clearly not interested in a payday with Vince at that point. Luger was still, as far as Vince knew, planning on resigning with Titan. Hell, Nitro wasn't even on the air until 1995. Luger showed up at the first Nitro, arguably as Bischoff's big coup to make Nitro the must watch show. EDIT: After reading your post again, I think you've got Savage and Luger mistaken in there...Savage left the WWF at least a couple months before he even started being hyped in WCW, and his seperation was clear at the time. Luger, however, showed up when he was still thought to be working for Titan going into the weekend.
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Post by Shiori C: WC Blue Moon Poster on Dec 16, 2007 8:45:34 GMT -5
I've heard his lack of appearances on DVDs and the likes is due to his crazy royalties demands, as he owns the rights to his image (or some such). As such, you get skimmed histories on, say, the Jake Roberts DVD rather than going into the feud (which was awesome) in much depth. I'm not gonna say that McMahon and Savage get on great or anything, but that's a pretty plausible business reason to me.
To be fair, there's rarely mentions of, say, Yokozuna (other than Victoria's costume a few weeks back) or the Ultimate Warrior (in a positive way), two other multiple-time champions who haven't been on WWE TV since the mid-90s. Nobody would suggest that Yoko had been blackballed from WWE prior to his death or anything.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Dec 16, 2007 8:47:28 GMT -5
Um....never say never, oooh yeah?
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