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Post by Tapout on Dec 18, 2007 14:52:53 GMT -5
I wonder if the crowds ever go "man the wrestlecrap boards sure are sitting on their hands tonight". LOCKED THREAD! LOCKED THREAD! LOCKED THREAD! LOCKED THREAD! THAT MODERATOR JUST LOCKED THAT THREAD RIGHT THROUGH OUR ANNOUNCE TABLE!!! GOOD BAH GAWD KING, THAT THREAD HAD A FAMILY!!!!!
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Post by The OP on Dec 18, 2007 14:56:41 GMT -5
There are definitely some good counter-points to my original thread being made here. Nevertheless, it still seems to me that it would add to a lot of people's personal enjoyment if they didn't pay as much attention to things like the crowd. For instance, ejm is saying that the crowd took away from his enjoyment of the 15th anniversary show. I'm not knockin' you ejm, but personally, I had a lot of fun watching the show and honestly didn't even really notice the crowd. Which experience sounds more rewarding? It wasn't a huge factor because I still really enjoyed the show, but it would have been nice if the crowd was reacting too. Matches can rise from 'good' to really really memorable from the crowd reaction. How would have Rock/Hogan at Wrestlemania 18 been like if they just sat on their hands and didn't react? It wouldn't have been as well remembered because the crowd wouldn't have been as into it as they were. Because of that, things might have been very different storyline wise because that's how the WWE would have taken it. For me, it's deflating if the crowd don't react to something. Like I'm enjoying it, but it might not happen again because the crowd didn't like it. And the crowd are probably the most important thing, if not the second most important thing for the WWE. Let's take the Kane/Phone storyline from last year. I really liked that because it was done so well (minus the 'hearing into Kane's thoughts part), but because the crowd didn't react to it, it stopped on the next Raw and was never heard from again. Along with that, it's fair enough if you have 100 odd people doing nothing at TNA, because usually there will still be people cheering and doing whatever.. Having 20,000 people not react to something is like there is noone there at all. All good points, but I also think there's a lot of exaggerating that goes on in regard to what the crowd is doing. For example, I went to a Smackdown house show a couple of years ago and Gunnar Scott wrestled as the babyface in the opening match. He didn't get much of a reaction when he came out, but the kids cheered and it's not like there was total silence. There really never is, there's always at least some of the crowd that's doing what they're "supposed to".
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Dec 18, 2007 14:57:07 GMT -5
crowds can make an average match almost great, and a good match almost shitty. It's a big part of the show, the fourth men of a fight.
Attitude era crowds were red hot, and it was even more fun to watch...At the time, there were a lot of young men in the arenas, now look at the people in the seats : mostly kids, marks, and lot of girls. Young casual men fans are in the indy shows.
When a crowd pop, you can heard female voices shouting...girls and kids are popping for the show (mostly the Hardys, HBK, Cena, mysterio), the male are awfully dead, they just wake up to boo Cena or start a random annoying smark chant (u screwed up, u can't wrestle, etc)
By the way, sunday the crowd was absolutely dead during the ppv...maybe one of the quietest crowd i ever eard for a PPV. That was weird.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 18, 2007 14:59:06 GMT -5
It wasn't a huge factor because I still really enjoyed the show, but it would have been nice if the crowd was reacting too. Matches can rise from 'good' to really really memorable from the crowd reaction. How would have Rock/Hogan at Wrestlemania 18 been like if they just sat on their hands and didn't react? It wouldn't have been as well remembered because the crowd wouldn't have been as into it as they were. Because of that, things might have been very different storyline wise because that's how the WWE would have taken it. For me, it's deflating if the crowd don't react to something. Like I'm enjoying it, but it might not happen again because the crowd didn't like it. And the crowd are probably the most important thing, if not the second most important thing for the WWE. Let's take the Kane/Phone storyline from last year. I really liked that because it was done so well (minus the 'hearing into Kane's thoughts part), but because the crowd didn't react to it, it stopped on the next Raw and was never heard from again. Along with that, it's fair enough if you have 100 odd people doing nothing at TNA, because usually there will still be people cheering and doing whatever.. Having 20,000 people not react to something is like there is noone there at all. All good points, but I also think there's a lot of exaggerating that goes on in regard to what the crowd is doing. For example, I went to a Smackdown house show a couple of years ago and Gunnar Scott wrestled as the babyface in the opening match. He didn't get much of a reaction when he came out, but the kids cheered and it's not like there was total silence. There really never is, there's always at least some of the crowd that's doing what they're "supposed to". But if you watched that match on TV, it would probably sound completly different. Of course, there would be people cheering, but noone ever hears it if it's only a little minority unless they make themselves heard (like that huge pop for Steve Blackman coming left of the stage at Raw 15th)
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Post by The OP on Dec 18, 2007 15:02:12 GMT -5
That's true, I probably wouldn't have heard the cheering, but I also probably wouldn't be trying to hear it. Had he gotten a huge noticeable pop I might've stopped and gone "holy crap, people really like Gunnar Scott" because I would've been surprised.
And with things like the Blackman pop, that probably got picked up because the camera was right there. If it wouldn't have been maybe people would be saying Blackman got no-sold by the crowd. Who knows? Maybe they were saying "boo-urns". That was a big part of the point I tried to make in the original post.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 18, 2007 15:08:25 GMT -5
That's true, I probably wouldn't have heard the cheering, but I also probably wouldn't be trying to hear it. Had he gotten a huge noticeable pop I might've stopped and gone "holy crap, people really like Gunnar Scott" because I would've been surprised. And with things like the Blackman pop, that probably got picked up because the camera was right there. If it wouldn't have been maybe people would be saying Blackman got no-sold by the crowd. Who knows? Maybe they were saying "boo-urns". That was a big part of the point I tried to make in the original post. I do see your point, but for the WWE, it would be too hard to try to get mikes for every section of the crowd so just get what we're given on TV. It's not right and it might cause more rows between people, but that's just the way it is. I do have to make a case for you, though. I remember when, after Jericho returned, alot of people who were at the show said he got a massive pop, yet for some reason, during the enterance theme, you barely heard the crowd, even though you could see people jumping up and down and screaming. For me, it didn't make sense. If people were jumping up and down and reacting to something, we don't want to hear Jericho's theme, we want to hear them. Well, I do anyway.
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The OP
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Post by The OP on Dec 18, 2007 15:13:17 GMT -5
Yeah, I suppose it probably depends how loud the music is, who's doing the audio for the show that night, etc.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 18, 2007 15:15:43 GMT -5
I never care what people 'pop' for outside of me.
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Post by Ramses on Dec 18, 2007 15:47:26 GMT -5
The thing about the JBL/Jericho thing was..if they were quiet it was probably because they were actually listening to what was being said. One of the few times outside a comedy skit in recent memory where a back and forth feud building promo grabbed my attention. If the corwd were anything like me they wanted to be able to hear what was aid because they got into it. I agriee. Usualy when I watch Raw, im Iming a friend of mine during the show and we make dumb comments about the show, but once that Jericho promo hit, we were dead silent as we lissened. At the end, we just messaged eachother with something to the exent of: "...DAMN!" we LOVED that promo last night and basicaly,to me and my friend, we where just lissening in and taking it in.
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Dec 18, 2007 16:02:27 GMT -5
The thing about the JBL/Jericho thing was..if they were quiet it was probably because they were actually listening to what was being said. One of the few times outside a comedy skit in recent memory where a back and forth feud building promo grabbed my attention. If the corwd were anything like me they wanted to be able to hear what was aid because they got into it. I agriee. Usualy when I watch Raw, im Iming a friend of mine during the show and we make dumb comments about the show, but once that Jericho promo hit, we were dead silent as we lissened. At the end, we just messaged eachother with something to the exent of: "...DAMN!" we LOVED that promo last night and basicaly,to me and my friend, we where just lissening in and taking it in. I was watching with my brother - a 16-year-old smark who is really only familiar with Y2J from youTube and the like - and I literally "shushed" him two or three times during the promo, because he didn't understand that was Jericho and JBL in a verbal battle.
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Post by Ramses on Dec 19, 2007 6:48:11 GMT -5
I was watching with my brother - a 16-year-old smark who is really only familiar with Y2J from youTube and the like - and I literally "shushed" him two or three times during the promo, because he didn't understand that was Jericho and JBL in a verbal battle. it's weird, like, most people forget now that JBL WAS A wrestler as apposed to a taller JR on Smackdown. For like a minute, I thought it was a shoot, maybe thats why it caught my attention. To someone else, it's just 2 guys who are REALLY good at the mic that are talking. Hopefully they will have another excellent verbal joust before a HUGE match at a PPV.
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Post by Scott on Dec 19, 2007 7:17:24 GMT -5
I agree the crowd can add to or take away from a match, but when someone told me I was wrong for not liking Jericho because the crowd pops for him, I realized something was wrong.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 19, 2007 7:51:25 GMT -5
I agree the crowd can add to or take away from a match, but when someone told me I was wrong for not liking Jericho because the crowd pops for him, I realized something was wrong. It's one thing to like someone, but if you are not a fan you shouldn't be told you're wrong for not liking him. As for myself, I like Jericho, but have not really been all that impressed with his return, including the segment on Monday.
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