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Post by >(straightedgepunk)< on Dec 17, 2007 21:09:59 GMT -5
That is by far one of the funniest things I've read all week!
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Post by willywonka666 on Dec 17, 2007 21:22:18 GMT -5
Normally, I'd say the WWE are being dicks about this, but these rules are so dumb that I honestly can't blame them. It sucks for Georgian wrestling fans, as they either get no WWE product or a very watered down WWE product. Being watered down hasn't stopped many from watching ECW
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Post by Ijob2HHH on Dec 17, 2007 21:32:37 GMT -5
I find it kind of funny that A) some of you think that the wwe is being a dick about it, and B) thinking that the WWE will actually lose money over it. Last I checked, there were 10 provinces in Canada and 49 other states they could hold shows in(okay 46 if you include the other two they won't work in), so there's little to no chance they'll actually lose money unless they get sued by georgia. And as one of you made the point that Georgia can make whatever rules they want in their state, the same goes for the WWE. They can choose where and where not to perform as they please just the same.
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Post by HRH The KING on Dec 17, 2007 21:36:55 GMT -5
The Georgia Wrestling Rules were written by Matt Classic.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 17, 2007 21:37:38 GMT -5
Legally speaking, the state of Georgia can do whatever it likes, much to the chagrin of wrestling fans from coast to coast. To be fair, I understand why the state of Georgia is doing it. I also understand that there will be more pressure from Congress in the next few months to crack down on all athletic events, thanks to "You Know Who" and Barry Bonds. I'm sorry, guys, but the fact of the matter is that the wanton abuse of performance enhancing drugs, the glorification of violence in a controlled, athletic environment that pro wrestling helps to portray, and the blatant disregard for regular athelic guidelines - this despite the fact that the WWE is still following the basic athletic structure of organized in-ring competitive sports - coupled with the incidents at hand over this last year, doesn't make me optimistic about pro wrestling's future in certain areas. Especially if Congress cracks the hammer on the state athletic commisions. You can hem and haw about wrestling not being "real" all you like, but at the end of the day, you must see it (not as a logical entitiy that makes sense to you) as an athletic event. Predetermined, pulled punches, or not. Two men are still entering the ring to "compete". That is, in a nutshell, the very essence of pro wrestling. And if it barks like a dog, and runs like a dog, and looks like a dog... Well. You really can't blame some states legislature for wanting to cover their own asses. I suspect you'll see more of these in the near future. It sucks, but what are you gonna do? Vinny and his sleazy lawyer (whom I despise, BTW) McDiv-hit should be thinking big picture instad of trying to make an example out of Georgia. I think they are looking at the big picture, they're not going to run shows in an area that makes rather ridiculous rules for an entertainment event. And yes, it is entertainment, not athletics. The side that is being rather short-sided is the state of Georgia. They want to do something ot make it safer, but they've gone so broad that they're going to prevent events from occurring there. Some of these rules are absolutely asinine. They want a cut from the proceeds of the events, they require the promotion to pay for someone to be there to promote the rules, they've added more fees, they essentially remove stipulation matches (according to these rules, matches can only end in a fall or two falls out of three), they've imposed dress codes of sorts, they've more or less neutered fan interaction, etc etc. Yes, Georgia, as a state, can do whatever they want to do to limit events from occurring. And WWE, as a company, can refuse to conduct business in that state. They don't need to, they can make good money moving those dates elsewhere. If anyone on that board doesn't like it, too damn bad, when you limit pure entertainment events, don't be surprised when they refuse to come.
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Post by molson5 on Dec 17, 2007 21:50:19 GMT -5
The rules make it impossible for WWE to work there. Bottom line. Georgia doesn't want wrestling, and they've made it IMPOSSIBLE for the WWE to run there. It doesn't hurt the WWE in the slightest. They're not exactly Georgia Championship Wrestling. They're well known in 49 other states (and Canada, and Europe, and Asia).
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Post by Mongo & Pepe: Back in Black on Dec 17, 2007 22:23:54 GMT -5
Wait, what does this have to do with Chris Benoit Hardcore Holly? Were these regulations put in place due to Benoit's Holly's rampage? The attorney for Benoit's father is a member of the board of the Georgia Athletic & Entertainment Commission. Geez. That's not a conflict of interest at all!
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Post by derrtaysouth95 on Dec 17, 2007 22:47:35 GMT -5
God dammit.
Those f***ing morons making all the decisions in Georgia just gotta extend their shitty decisions to everything.
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Post by soultsukino on Dec 17, 2007 23:20:44 GMT -5
Okay, I come from a state where the State Athletic commision is still pretty strick on Wrestling regulations, and going through the list that is posted, some things are not that out of the ordinary
--Rules 1-5: This is basic stuff for a promoters lisence and the same stuff applies here in Maine. The 10,000 dollar security deposit seems a little strong, but I can't really say how inflated that really is.
--Rules 6 and 7: The age thing is natural and not out of the ordinary. as for the Blading rule. A lot of states have those and most places just pay the fine, some even before hand.
-- Rules 8 and 9: no biggie there and that is pretty much everywhere you go. Hell RD can tell you what happens when a proter high tails it from a show.
--Rule 10: This is another one that is no big deal. In fact I'd wish they'd inforced that more often
--Rules 11 and 12: They may seem a little excessive, but these are more just to keep from someone suing the State after getting to drunk and being slugged by one of the wrestlers.
--Rules 14 and 15: The clothing I can understand (The "Wardrobe malfuntion" rules as it were) But the Fingernail length and "Foreign substances" rules really do seem a bit arcaic!
---Rule 16: basic stuff. no real trouble there.
---Rule 17-28: Okay, THIS is arcaic stuff. This is where I'd have the gripe. Reading these rules is like a flashback to the NWA days. Yikes!
---Rule 29: basic indemtidy stuff.
So yeah, aside from some of the rules being a bit on the stone age side there, there really isn't much to really get upraored over.
Quite honestly, what's stopping vince or any other promoter from going to a Georgia State represenative, drawing up a more updated version of these rules and passing them? I mean if someone actually explained some of the concepts to these old farts, then something could get passed.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Dec 17, 2007 23:20:49 GMT -5
Don't do it, Georgia! I'm begging you! Think of all of the classic moments in Georgia, though quite a bit were GCW, NWA, and WCW.
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Dec 17, 2007 23:35:18 GMT -5
Frankly, I'm just shocked that nothing about length of Tag Ropes was included.
It's nice to see a set of rules for a fake sport. I think they need to do more stuff like this. You know, so we know what the Refs are actually doing.
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Post by casualobserver on Dec 18, 2007 1:42:39 GMT -5
"Tonight, Raw comes to you from the sold-out Philips McKenzie Arena in Atlanta, GA Chattanooga, TN!"
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Post by KLRA on Dec 18, 2007 1:46:55 GMT -5
So apparently they don't know about submission holds, do they?
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Post by jordenisgood on Dec 18, 2007 2:05:45 GMT -5
You can hem and haw about wrestling not being "real" all you like, but at the end of the day, you must see it (not as a logical entitiy that makes sense to you) as an athletic event. Predetermined, pulled punches, or not. Two men are still entering the ring to "compete". That is, in a nutshell, the very essence of pro wrestling. And if it barks like a dog, and runs like a dog, and looks like a dog... Incorrect in every way possible. It is so FAR from an athletic event that it's ignorant to even try to justify it as one. By definition an athletic event is a player or group of players opposing one another in an event they are trying to WIN. Pro Wrestling ... Yeah, no one is trying to win. Sure it might look as such since one guy eventually will get a pin, but neither of them are actually trying to beat the other. THEY ARE PERFORMING! It's a BIG difference. "Two men are still entering the ring to "compete". That is, in a nutshell, the very essence of pro wrestling." No they are not, it's not a competition. It's a performance, a WORK ... a rouse if you will. It's called smoking mirrors. You think you are seeing one thing, when in actuality something totally different is happening. It is not even close to being two guys in the ring competing. It's two guys in a ring WORKING TOGETHER TO PUT ON A SHOW. That is, in a nutshell, the very essence of pro wrestling.By the way, these rules are ignorant. I read of these a while back and just literally fell out of my chair laughing. You can tell the person who wrote these either A.) Doesn't want wrestling in Georgia or B.) Is a mark. Are you kidding? No double team moves in a tag match? That one alone had me rolling. Just ignorant. No Indy fed will ever run Georgia, $10,000 is more then ANY (I REPEAT) ANY Indy makes off of gate, let alone pre-sale. There'd be no one capable of putting up that kind of money in advance.
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Post by default on Dec 18, 2007 2:14:10 GMT -5
Jesus H. someone takes their Ring of Honor "Code of Conduct" crap a little too seriously.
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Post by ricofederico on Dec 18, 2007 2:49:12 GMT -5
As a born native of the fine state of Georgia I have to say that this is ridiculous. As a whole Georgia tends to over-regulate minutia to no end. Most of this comes from the Atlanta area politicians who could care less about anything unless they get a sweet kickback. I guess I should be glad that I now live in South Carolina where the only competition for wrestling is NASCAR.
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Post by Timmy8271 on Dec 18, 2007 3:54:23 GMT -5
I hope they have the same rules for MMA too.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Dec 18, 2007 4:29:45 GMT -5
So apparently they don't know about submission holds, do they? Nor about handicap matches, first blood matches, ladder matches, casket matches,... and pretty much any type of match with other stipulations than pin fall.
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Post by randomranter on Dec 18, 2007 6:27:13 GMT -5
So, in this case wrestling is just plain " fake? Yep. Nope. It's fake. Has been forever. And that's exactly what it is. Pro wrestling is nothing more than "X-Treme Masterpiece Theater". The only difference is that instead of someone standing on top of a balcony saying "Romeo, Romeo, where art thou?", someone is getting thrown from that balcony onto a (padded) floor. No, we've always said that wrestling is fake. We've always said that these are athletes doing dangerous things. But it's still not a "sport" by any stretch of the imagination. It's entertainment. And they're trying to water down entertainment to the point of being unwatchable.
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Post by Dolph Zalgo on Dec 18, 2007 7:22:59 GMT -5
WWE theatens to stop doing shows in Georgia Oooohohohoo... Say...WHAT??!?!??!?!? ...you kiddin' me? This is a joke, right? What the...?
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