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Post by scifi1980 on Dec 19, 2007 16:39:28 GMT -5
At this point, if they scrapped ALL titles, they would not be missed. And that's a sad thing, because all titles have been booked so badly for years. Exactly. The titles used to be the holy grails of pro wrestling. Back when wrestlers held them for a minimum 3 months to 2 years. But the titles started going down in WWF after Wrestlemania 14 so it' not something that just started recently. I think the primary fault for the rapid title changes was the ppv expansion. Once they went to 12 ppvs a year they had to trade titles more often to give the viewers something worth buying the ppvs for I think. The first two titles that suffered were the IC title and the tag belts. Especially the tag belts. People like to gossip about how great 2000-2001 was with the Hardyz/Dudleyz/Edge and Christian feuds. But seriously theyre best stuff was stunt matches and feuding for the tag titles which they helped turn into trash by hot potatoing the belts every 2 to 3 weeks for a year strait. Then they hurt the tag belts even more by creating a second brand tag belt division. That's my biggest fault with the attitude era, aside from the raunchy behavior which I never got into was the hotshotting of their championship belts. Best period in the WWF for title reigns is 1984-Mania 14. Everything afterwards has been garbage with a few exceptions but ultimatley even a few good reigns here and there can't help when you have already piled so many crap 3 day and 2 week reigns onto the belts.
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Post by lunataxc on Dec 19, 2007 16:47:26 GMT -5
The last meaningful IC title run was with the Rock. Although I did like the Jeff Jarrett/Chyna feud for the belt.
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Post by acressl on Dec 19, 2007 16:51:54 GMT -5
The IC!!? You're smoking crack. That title meant so much at one point in time. I can remember being more concerned with it than the big guy as a kid. Fix it, don't banish it like the hardcore title.
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Post by Jared Has Been Enlightened :) on Dec 19, 2007 17:01:51 GMT -5
The problem is the brand split has pushed all the titles down a few notches. The I.C. title use to be the clearcut #2 title in the promotion. Now where is it? At best #3, at worst #5. (WHC, WWE, US, ECW, IC) Now that I think about it, the Womens title probably means more at this point. It's that bad.
It's sad and pathetic but that's what happens when you spread your mediocre roster so thin you're forced to make your I.C. title level talent (Orton) one of your two (lol) world champions.
Just horrible booking by the WWE and Vince McMahon giving us a truly sub-par, watered down product in an attempt to milk as much $$$ from the fans as possible.
We can only hope that TNA can continue to rise up and become a legit competitor to the WWE so they're forced to improve their product and get rid of the brand split.
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Dec 19, 2007 17:07:09 GMT -5
Do I smell a gimmick change? Val Venis and Randy Organ: porn stars!
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Post by jobberjoe on Dec 19, 2007 17:08:21 GMT -5
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Post by BIG DUNC on Dec 19, 2007 17:11:54 GMT -5
They should've just reused the Euro title and given it to santino
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Post by RedSmile on Dec 19, 2007 17:18:33 GMT -5
The "glory days" of the IC title were at a time when that belt was the ONLY singles title regularly contested on television. It got the most attention at a time when you had to buy a ticket to a house show or a a ppv to see a world title match. It REALLY isn't as easy as people always love to say - "The IC Title should be made to look more important!" The only way to do that is to either get rid of the WWE Title, or don't feature the WWE Title on TV. It is IMPOSSIBLE to make the IC title as important as it was in the old days because it's not a focus of the shows anymore. *ding ding* winner! This is the best answer so far
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Post by BitterAF on Dec 19, 2007 17:33:07 GMT -5
Theres too many titles and too many ppv. For titles, go back to the wwe title, ic, tag, womans and use the tv title for the lower mid/mid carders. PPV wise, i think the ppv before wresltemania should perhaps only be 2 hours, and not have a world title match. Bring back the survivor series as it used to be and have the champion be part of that match and not have a title defense. even have the winner of the kotr tourny get a shot at the ic belt like on the next raw/ppv, even summer slam maybe. only have 1 brand. if they keep ecw, make it online only and have it no holds barred. they wont be on tv, so i would assume they wouldn't have to hold back too much, or make ecw at 2am on a saturday night (thats how i used to watch it back in 96/97).
theres just so much going on with the wwe everything is just getting lost. - Have 5 titles - If keeping 12 ppv, make 3 of them different (survivor series, kotr, and maybe a 2 hour ppv the month before wm that has the world champ and ic champ tag up facing their opponents, just building up to it and adding more heat) - just have 1 brand. just have wwe and all wreslters wreslte on raw and sd. - make ecw what it used to be or get rid of it.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Dec 19, 2007 17:39:56 GMT -5
I think they should try to actually use the belt to help elevate and establish talent. Utilize it; don't abandon it.
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Post by Garee on Dec 19, 2007 18:40:09 GMT -5
No they just need to give it credibility again, by booking some good fueds with it
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Post by supercheese on Dec 19, 2007 19:06:15 GMT -5
I think Triple H should say to Hardy I want another shot against you in a match, Hardy is all for it, Sir William comes down and says why not make it more intresting, and have the IC title on the line. Trips and Hardy put on a good match and this time Trips comes out on top...this leaves them open for a feud if Hardy gets the title about who really is the better man as it would stand at 1-1? Or have Orton someway distract Hardy.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Dec 19, 2007 19:15:01 GMT -5
The better option is to get rid of the World and ECW title, and make the WWE Title the one major belt, with the champion floating from show to show. The IC would then become the second most important title again, with proper feuds over it.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Dec 19, 2007 19:21:39 GMT -5
i think the reason the ic title looks weak is the current state of the US title. it has become more prestigious lately with mvp hardy and the mvp/ Hardcore Holly feuds Fixed.
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Post by tarheelfan on Dec 19, 2007 19:26:18 GMT -5
i think the reason the ic title looks weak is the current state of the US title. it has become more prestigious lately with mvp hardy and the mvp/ benoit feuds The irony is that if one where to trace the lineage of the US belt back to the late 70s which I don't the US. Title in the past 30 years has arguably had a more impressive roster of champions than the IC belt.
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Post by Gillberg: 0-175 on Dec 19, 2007 19:29:01 GMT -5
They should've just reused the Euro title and given it to santino I think that's a brilliant idea. Give the Euro title to Santino!
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Post by dh03grad on Dec 19, 2007 19:31:19 GMT -5
The IC title could be valuable again if they book it right. It needs a direction and give the belt to guys they are planning on growing with. Putting the IC champion in active feuds with the WWE champion makes the IC belt look even more minor than it is. Giving a Honky Tonk-like title reign to Santino would be right for the belt until guys like Cody or DH Smith are ready to get pushed to another level.
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Post by Kenny Brockelstein on Dec 19, 2007 19:46:36 GMT -5
the interconterental title is jeff hardys who will get to fight with randy organ at rumble. i dont think he will have a win why is becuse intercontental belt is for people who have not too much mussels like hardy. triple h should have world title and not shawn michsels. Exsqueeze me? Buh? Who got the funk?
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Post by Rockhound on Dec 20, 2007 0:15:30 GMT -5
i think the reason the ic title looks weak is the current state of the US title. it has become more prestigious lately with mvp hardy and the mvp/ benoit feuds The irony is that if one where to trace the lineage of the US belt back to the late 70s which I don't the US. Title in the past 30 years has arguably had a more impressive roster of champions than the IC belt. How do you figure? Since the IC title came into existance(oddly enough, Snuka won the US title on the same day Patterson won the first IC), you had US champs such as: Piper, Snuka, Flair, Valentine, Rude, Mulligan, Whindam, Austin, ect. Alot fo which have also held the IC title over the years. Pretty even when it comes to talent I'd say.
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Post by DeuceDominoMark on Dec 20, 2007 0:17:51 GMT -5
Ask Tomko...
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