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Post by bubbles on Dec 19, 2007 11:27:11 GMT -5
Jeff Hardy does not seem like championship material to me. I don't know why. He's gotten a huge following and put on some great matches. I could see him in a match for the title but never in possession of it. I think that to, but Orton has sucked as champ so I wouldn't mind Jeff beating him
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Post by acressl on Dec 19, 2007 11:34:36 GMT -5
Jeff Hardy does not seem like championship material to me. I don't know why. He's gotten a huge following and put on some great matches. I could see him in a match for the title but never in possession of it. I think that to, but Orton has sucked as champ so I wouldn't mind Jeff beating him Jeff over Randy works for me. Thing is, I doubt Randy's persona could allow that. Oh he could lose, but there's he'd never let it go. Either Jeff would be "injured" or he would reclaim the title somehow. Something dickish.
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Dec 19, 2007 12:15:57 GMT -5
Based on an article from pwtorch, i was wondering how you guys feel about a Jeff Hardy run. I know there's a lot of support for him to get a solid main event run, but how would you book him as champ? or how will he be booked? When you look at most of his matches, he spends a lot of time selling for his opponent (like HBK) but he's no HBK in the ring, which means i can only imagine him as a Rey Mysterio style champ, getting his ass kicked then winning by the skin of his teeth. Your thoughts? Exactly like a Rey Mysterio champ, and who needs that? I like the guy, excellent wrestler, but only a certain kind of wrestler should be called up for the "big dance". In recent years, that ideal has been forgone and we've had decent champs, suprisingly good champs, and people who should never go ANYWHERE near a championship belt, let alone a wrestling ring. Jeff Hardy is meant to inspire fans, get 'em out of their seats in high flying, big spot involved matches. Heavyweight matches are more involved with "ground and pound", your standard hoss v.s. hoss OR hoss v.s. ground tactician. Screwing with the formula doesn't really work.
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Post by Bobafett on Dec 19, 2007 13:54:09 GMT -5
Jeff is the one guy the spinner belt wouldn't look stupid on.
I think he'd be less like Rey and more like HBK in the sense that he'd be quicker and more daring than his opponents
either that or you have guys like hbk and jericho challenge..guys who he can have a great match with
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Post by Brother Ike: Thread Killer on Dec 19, 2007 14:15:41 GMT -5
I think it could work like if it is done like rey's regin (minus the exploitation and jobbing in every match)
Have him win the belt in a big underdog moment, have a 3 or 4 month reign defending against people bigger than him, slowly build towards a matt heel turn, then Have matt cost him the title and start an angle between the two.
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Post by Libertine on Dec 19, 2007 14:19:02 GMT -5
The main question is "Would he sell lots of merchandise?"
So with that in mind, he'd be a 'good' champion.
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Post by Bobafett on Dec 19, 2007 14:29:47 GMT -5
Based on an article from pwtorch, i was wondering how you guys feel about a Jeff Hardy run. I know there's a lot of support for him to get a solid main event run, but how would you book him as champ? or how will he be booked? When you look at most of his matches, he spends a lot of time selling for his opponent (like HBK) but he's no HBK in the ring, which means i can only imagine him as a Rey Mysterio style champ, getting his ass kicked then winning by the skin of his teeth. Your thoughts? Exactly like a Rey Mysterio champ, and who needs that? I like the guy, excellent wrestler, but only a certain kind of wrestler should be called up for the "big dance". In recent years, that ideal has been forgone and we've had decent champs, suprisingly good champs, and people who should never go ANYWHERE near a championship belt, let alone a wrestling ring. Jeff Hardy is meant to inspire fans, get 'em out of their seats in high flying, big spot involved matches. Heavyweight matches are more involved with "ground and pound", your standard hoss v.s. hoss OR hoss v.s. ground tactician. Screwing with the formula doesn't really work. so only Hosses and certian others should get the main event? I call bullcrap on that, part of the problem with the WWE IS the hosses in the title picture
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Post by saggyboyflair on Dec 19, 2007 15:10:11 GMT -5
I wouldnt want a career midcarder who works cruiserweight matches with no size at all and with a small little following of gothic groupies and young girls and someone with no mic skills and matches full of highspots as my champion if I was the promoter. But then again.. I have seen worse. I mean he looks like a guy that buys a ticket for the cheapseats at the shows. He looks ridiculous. I am happy with him being IC champ but thats enough. He is not world championship material IMO. What you see with him is what you get. Hardy wouldnt of made it passed 2nd match during WCW or the rock n wrestling era and was a total midcarder during the attitude era. But then again today the roster is stretched pretty thin with talent and not very many wrestlers are over.
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Post by Cretinous Humanoid on Dec 19, 2007 15:15:26 GMT -5
Has it really come to this? Is the WWE so lacking in charismatic performers that they might be considering a Jeff Hardy title run?
A good Champion should be able to deliver great promo's and I just can not see Jeff doing that. Why can't someone step up and entertian me as Champion.
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Post by joeman on Dec 19, 2007 16:01:11 GMT -5
Exactly like a Rey Mysterio champ, and who needs that? I like the guy, excellent wrestler, but only a certain kind of wrestler should be called up for the "big dance". In recent years, that ideal has been forgone and we've had decent champs, suprisingly good champs, and people who should never go ANYWHERE near a championship belt, let alone a wrestling ring. Jeff Hardy is meant to inspire fans, get 'em out of their seats in high flying, big spot involved matches. Heavyweight matches are more involved with "ground and pound", your standard hoss v.s. hoss OR hoss v.s. ground tactician. Screwing with the formula doesn't really work. so only Hosses and certian others should get the main event? I call bullcrap on that, part of the problem with the WWE IS the hosses in the title picture Well it's not called the Heavyweight for nothing. That said, I can't see Jeff being a credible maineventer despite the fact that he is gets great crowd reaction. I fear if Jeff ever won the belt, the fans will turn on him.
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Post by Joekishi on Dec 19, 2007 16:25:38 GMT -5
Transitional champ nothing more, otherwise i'm going to have to not watch WWE...I hate Jeff Hardy, but as a transitional champ sure. i wouldn't buy him as somebody to center the show around.
He's a perfect mid-card guy like his brother, sells lots of merchandise, gets the crowd going with a good match, but as a main event attraction...eh...
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Post by OldGravyLeg on Dec 19, 2007 16:42:11 GMT -5
With a competent booking team, a non-fickle audience, some solid ringwork and ok-ish promos, it can't possible go wrong. Agreed, but those are a lot of single-points-of-failure, don't you think?
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Dec 20, 2007 0:01:02 GMT -5
He's over and he's consistently one of the best performers on Raw each week. The only concern I would have are his mic skills.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Dec 20, 2007 0:02:15 GMT -5
He's over and he's consistently one of the best performers on Raw each week. The only concern I would have are his mic skills. His mic skills are on the level of Matt's. Nothing to get overly excited about, but the crowd will on some level get behind them. So yeah, a point of concern to be sure.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Dec 20, 2007 0:54:22 GMT -5
I actually think Matt's pretty good on the stick. His promos seem more real, whereas Jeff's can come across as forced.
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Post by Joekishi on Dec 20, 2007 2:02:34 GMT -5
no both have robotic delivery.
i don't know if that's just WWe forceful booking...but even back in '01 they've had that same type of drab delivery.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Dec 20, 2007 2:07:35 GMT -5
Jeff should chase, but not win. It'll improve the IC Title if he's shown to be on par with Orton, but not capable of beating him. You could go to a time limit draw , double DQ, regular DQ, even a clean Orton win. Just as long as Jeff puts on a competitive match, and walks away without the WWE World Title.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 20, 2007 9:35:18 GMT -5
Jeff should chase, but not win. It'll improve the IC Title if he's shown to be on par with Orton, but not capable of beating him. You could go to a time limit draw , double DQ, regular DQ, even a clean Orton win. Just as long as Jeff puts on a competitive match, and walks away without the WWE World Title. Not really as I'm sure they've done the whole IC Champ vs. World Champ scenario many times over the past few years and it hasn't done a thing for the IC belt. For all we know he may lose it before the PPV.
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Post by derrtaysouth95 on Dec 20, 2007 13:04:41 GMT -5
as WWE or Heavyweight champion? I won't buy it. He might would make an ok transitional champion, but then again....so would Matt.
as WWECW champion? He'd fit perfect with his style and could have a long run with it. Same goes for Matt.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 20, 2007 16:28:57 GMT -5
I think he'd be fine as long as they dont "Mysterio" him during his reign.
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