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Post by warriorthug4edge on Dec 18, 2007 11:27:16 GMT -5
I thought I'd resurrect this thread to comment on the matches: They did a bad job at selecting the matches. They included many matches from the David Von Erich tribute show, but not the match where Kerry defeats Flair for the NWA title??? WCCW were known for the Von Erichs and the 3-Man tag matches, but they don't include a match with the definitive 3-man Von Erich team of David, Kerry, and Kevin (though they are the three shown on the front of the DVD). There is no Gino Hernandez or Dynamic Duo. Let me repeat. There is no Gino Hernandez or Dynamic Duo. How did they not include their hair match with the Von Erichs. Oh, and I noticed a misprint which stated David Von Erich wrestled at his own tribute show. There is a lot more complaining that I could do, but I'll just finish my rant by saying that there was too much Iceman Parsons. yeah and iceman didn't even appear on the DVD. i was also dissapointed with the lack of a dynamic duo matches. i would have liked to see at least one match. Gino Hernandez was a damn good heel. "texas, i am your champion", thats hillarious. It would have been nice to hear something from steve austin about chris adams, cause adams was the one that trained him, though austin also took his ex-wife. one last comment, man bruiser brody was a force and was way over in texas and i wish the DVD would have discussed more about him and his story as well. Austin and Adams really didn't like each other toward the end of Adams' life. Austin talks about it in his book, but suffice it to say, it might be for the best that Austin didn't say anything.
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Post by icansleep on Dec 18, 2007 11:56:57 GMT -5
Is there anywhere work-safe online that has that Von Erich article from Wrestling Babylon? I believe the story initially ran in Penthouse many years ago.
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Post by Jared Has Been Enlightened :) on Dec 18, 2007 12:19:42 GMT -5
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Post by icansleep on Dec 18, 2007 12:42:55 GMT -5
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Post by molson5 on Dec 18, 2007 12:56:20 GMT -5
Yeah, it's all screwed up... I've read extensively about the family, and it is truly, indisputably smurfed up. The part that gets me the most is Chris. So sad. Ya, that got me too. Chris' death is obviously the least talked about of the 4 (not including Jack Jr.), so it was cool to see the WWE spend a little time on him. I loved the DVD. Heroes was great, but it looks like it was shot by a high school student. Sure, substance is the most important thing, but the production values the WWE brings to the table make a huge difference in an emotional story like this one - the music, the lighting, it was very, very well done. They didn't break a whole lot of new ground, but really, I don't think there's much new ground left to break. This is a story that has been told many times. This DVD presents the story in the "WWE style" (slick production values), and hopefully makes it accessable to to a whole new group of fans.
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Post by Timmy8271 on Dec 18, 2007 12:57:16 GMT -5
I didn't want to start a new topic but it has to do with World Class. I just watched Heroes of World Class and god was that depressing. It started off good but man once David died, it went all downhill and just became sad. I feel so bad for Kevin.
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Post by lmoney215 on Dec 18, 2007 16:36:58 GMT -5
I didn't want to start a new topic but it has to do with World Class. I just watched Heroes of World Class and god was that depressing. It started off good but man once David died, it went all downhill and just became sad. I feel so bad for Kevin. Yeah, the heroes dvd is depressing, i dont think i could sit through it no more than about 3-4 times at the most, but knowing the story, it can only be depressing. the quality isn't great, but in this case it wasn't about the quality, it was about the story. I think it the promotion was okay for a while after david died, but i think when mike died, what was once a celebration, became tragic in the eyes of the von erichs cause the promotion simply kept on going. gino's death beforehand was also bad business wise cause of a loss of a top heel, but socially as well cause of the drugs, yet no one stopped taking drugs.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Dec 18, 2007 17:05:49 GMT -5
I didn't want to start a new topic but it has to do with World Class. I just watched Heroes of World Class and god was that depressing. It started off good but man once David died, it went all downhill and just became sad. I feel so bad for Kevin. Yeah, the heroes dvd is depressing, i dont think i could sit through it no more than about 3-4 times at the most, but knowing the story, it can only be depressing. the quality isn't great, but in this case it wasn't about the quality, it was about the story. I think it the promotion was okay for a while after david died, but i think when mike died, what was once a celebration, became tragic in the eyes of the von erichs cause the promotion simply kept on going. gino's death beforehand was also bad business wise cause of a loss of a top heel, but socially as well cause of the drugs, yet no one stopped taking drugs. I watched that Doc arround 10 times in a month when i was writting a paper for Texas History. Belive me, it does draw out fast.
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Post by Jared Has Been Enlightened :) on Dec 18, 2007 17:55:55 GMT -5
I thought the highlight of both DVD's was Gary Hart's lone tooth, sticking out like a sore thumb.
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Post by jobberjoe on Dec 18, 2007 18:23:01 GMT -5
I think both DVDs are worth owning- this DVD has better production values and matches- and for the WWE I think it is up there with Rise and Fall of ECW DVD.Both hereos and this one are permenant parts of my DVD library now.
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Post by willywonka666 on Dec 20, 2007 10:07:33 GMT -5
Just watch the documentary last night. I thought it was great and could be combined with the heroes DVD-really excellent work. Sad, yes. But I'm hoping younger fans who weren't around during WCCW's heyday are really appreciating its greatness.
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Post by Branimal on Dec 20, 2007 10:26:46 GMT -5
I'm interested in watching this.
I know nothing of this company..I love historical wrestling documentaries.
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Post by wildojinx on Dec 20, 2007 10:30:46 GMT -5
The only problem is it seemed to only focus on the von erichs and freebirds, with adams, gino, devestation inc, brody, and rude being bit players, and NOTHING on the dingo warrior, scott and steve simpson, cactus jack (though they dont have the rights to his footage admittedly), or anyone else who came through WCCW.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Dec 20, 2007 10:31:58 GMT -5
The only problem is it seemed to only focus on the von erichs and freebirds, with adams, gino, devestation inc, brody, and rude being bit players, and NOTHING on the dingo warrior, scott and steve simpson, cactus jack (though they dont have the rights to his footage admittedly), or anyone else who came through WCCW. They didn't mention how many guys(Taker, Austin, and Foley jumping right to mind) got their big breaks in Texas there? That's a little wierd.
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Post by gimmieabreakbrain on Dec 20, 2007 11:55:24 GMT -5
Was The Punisher (Taker) more in USWA? I'm trying to recall.
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Post by willywonka666 on Dec 20, 2007 13:23:42 GMT -5
The only problem is it seemed to only focus on the von erichs and freebirds, with adams, gino, devestation inc, brody, and rude being bit players, and NOTHING on the dingo warrior, scott and steve simpson, cactus jack (though they dont have the rights to his footage admittedly), or anyone else who came through WCCW. They didn't mention how many guys(Taker, Austin, and Foley jumping right to mind) got their big breaks in Texas there? That's a little wierd. I'm glad they didn't actually. this shoulda focused on the glory years. now If they wanna do a "before they were stars" or "Early years" dvd of wrestlers, than that would be cool
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Post by deadguy2322 on Dec 20, 2007 14:04:02 GMT -5
The Reason HHH was on there is he has gone on reccord saying that he loved NWA wrestling more then anything growing up. Nice that he was a fan, but he has no place on the disc. Any other current "Superstar" who wasn't involved wouldn't have been on the disc, so why is Helmsley?
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Dec 20, 2007 15:06:37 GMT -5
The Reason HHH was on there is he has gone on reccord saying that he loved NWA wrestling more then anything growing up. Nice that he was a fan, but he has no place on the disc. Any other current "Superstar" who wasn't involved wouldn't have been on the disc, so why is Helmsley? I thought his comments were valid, but not really profound. I didn't mind him being on the DVD so much. I wonder if he gets off on trying to sound like a wrestling historian with insightful commentary.
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Post by hutter on Dec 20, 2007 16:03:10 GMT -5
The Reason HHH was on there is he has gone on reccord saying that he loved NWA wrestling more then anything growing up. Nice that he was a fan, but he has no place on the disc. Any other current "Superstar" who wasn't involved wouldn't have been on the disc, so why is Helmsley? Hey, be thankful it wasn't Brooklyn Brawler instead.
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Post by molson5 on Dec 20, 2007 17:42:51 GMT -5
They didn't mention how many guys(Taker, Austin, and Foley jumping right to mind) got their big breaks in Texas there? That's a little wierd. I don't think any of those guys worked for Fritz' WCCW. The lineage for WCCW gets really confusing after Fritz sold out to Jarrett in 1988. The easiest thing to do is recognize the end of World Class occuring at that time.
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