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Post by RedSmile on Dec 4, 2007 16:51:07 GMT -5
This was the first RAW in awhile I have been able to catch in full. SO I thought I would share some opinions of what I see going on.
Women's Match:
I don't really know why this was a tag match, since Melina and Maria were involved for less than 60 seconds. But, I like the Mickie/Beth feud. It has me wondering if Mickie is even gonna have a chance at Armageddon.
Kennedy segment:
Now, this was a disappointment. I had a feeling Marty Jannetty was going to be wheeled out there to receive a beat down. (Yes, literally wheeled out on a dolly with squeaky wheels). But to see not one, not two , but FOUR bad imposters was just overboard. The whole segment dragged, and really served little purpose. Kennedy is good enough on his own, he does not need "props"
Jeff Hardy/Snitsky/HHH:
I thought this was an example of bad booking, IMO. If the idea is to have Snitsky be a monster, you should have him beat Jeff Hardy to the point of a DQ finish. Then you could still trot HHH out there for the save and stare down with a wounded Jeff. Jeff pinning Snitsky makes your monster seem weak, or at least less-monsterish. On top of that he ran from HHH. So thats a double whammy, IMO.
However, I really like this HHH/Hardy match-up. This has the potential for match of the year, and its got a real good chance to elevate Hardy to the top. This is a good story so far.
Hornswoggle/Carlito/Coach/APA:
I think I am in the minority when it comes to Hornswoggle. Most people seem to despise Hornswoggle and claim he is a waste of every second he is on screen. I like Hornswoggle, I can't help but like the innocent, cartoonish humor in his skits. I suppose its a guilty pleasure.
Carlito on the other hand. Wow I remember when I thought that this guy was gonna be a top tier wrestler. My how things have changed. Even if the guy doesn't quit, he certainly needs to be sent down, because the Carlito character is pretty well toast.
And the APA cameo was pretty cool, but the levels of "markiness" I read today is pretty.......odd.
Chris Jericho/Umaga:
Y2J is still one of the best of the modern era, IMO. Even after a two year absence, he doesn't look like he has lost a step.
Umaga has really stagnated as a character, IMO. I see him, last night, selling bulldogs, and fleeing when Orton interfered. I thought Samoans were impervious to head injuries, and I figured Umaga would be more than happy to Spike Jericho. I think the loss of Estrada has hurt Umaga in the long run.
Randy Orton/HBK:
Blech, they could have done better that showing this match for the fifteenth time in the past three months. When Regal asked Jericho to pick Orton's opponent, he should have picked Umaga. That would have been the clever Y2J type thing to do.
Orton, still is a tough character for me to get into. I really dislike his mike work. He still comes across as bland as ever, even though he has improved in the ring.
Random thoughts:
I think Armageddon has some very solid, if not good looking match ups. Y2J vs Orton, Hardy vs HHH, HBK vs Kennedy, Beth vs Mickie, Taker vs Edge vs Batista.
I think next weeks RAW is going to be a big crowded mess. WWE hopes that a bunch of old timers will spike ratings for a three hour episode. Oh yeah and Trish Stratus. I think its telling at how poorly WWE has been lately in new character development.
I am no big nerdy Santino fan, but he was conspicuous by his absence Monday night. He should have gotten owned by the APA also.
I am also pretty tolerant of JR's weekly cycle of catchphrases, but he needs to retire the "discretion is the better part of valor" one. That one just sounds silly more times than not.
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Post by The Panda Powered on Dec 4, 2007 17:03:49 GMT -5
No Santino = RAW sucking
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Post by Main Event Mark on Dec 4, 2007 17:04:38 GMT -5
Two Raw thoughts of my own were:
1.When Vince mentioned Hogan being there next week, it didn't sound like he said 'Hulk'. It sounded weird to me. 2. When Kennedy appeared on the screen behind HBK, he looked to have a blue tongue. Yes, really.
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Post by RedSmile on Dec 4, 2007 17:05:54 GMT -5
Two Raw thoughts of my own were: 1.When Vince mentioned Hogan being there next week, it didn't sound like he said 'Hulk'. It sounded weird to me. 2. When Kennedy appeared on the screen behind HBK, he looked to have a blue tongue. Yes, really. I noticed the Blue Tongue too! I thought it was just my cable or something!
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Post by Steveweiser on Dec 4, 2007 17:06:32 GMT -5
Despite being a massive Mickie mark, I'm happy they jobbed her last night. I'm tired of "challenger pins champion in a tag match" that they always do. Last night, they made the champion look strong, and it would suggest that Mickie's come a long way in two weeks if she almost beats Beth. I say "almost", since it looks like she's not getting the belt.
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Post by mo on Dec 4, 2007 17:07:58 GMT -5
1.When Vince mentioned Hogan being there next week, it didn't sound like he said 'Hulk'. It sounded weird to me. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this, it really did sound weird, but who knows.
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Post by RedSmile on Dec 4, 2007 17:10:22 GMT -5
Despite being a massive Mickie mark, I'm happy they jobbed her last night. I'm tired of "challenger pins champion in a tag match" that they always do. Last night, they made the champion look strong, and it would suggest that Mickie's come a long way in two weeks if she almost beats Beth. I say "almost", since it looks like she's not getting the belt. I agree with this, this has been an example of .....*drops voice* good booking.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2007 17:10:57 GMT -5
Two Raw thoughts of my own were: 1.When Vince mentioned Hogan being there next week, it didn't sound like he said 'Hulk'. It sounded weird to me. 2. When Kennedy appeared on the screen behind HBK, he looked to have a blue tongue. Yes, really. I noticed the Blue Tongue too! I thought it was just my cable or something! so did i... my guess is he's sucking on a lollipop before coming out
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Post by RedSmile on Dec 4, 2007 17:12:36 GMT -5
I noticed the Blue Tongue too! I thought it was just my cable or something! so did i... my guess is he's sucking on a lollipop before coming out Or maybe a throat lozenge, since it was prior to a promo???
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Post by royboy8 on Dec 4, 2007 17:19:52 GMT -5
This was the first RAW in awhile I have been able to catch in full. SO I thought I would share some opinions of what I see going on. Women's Match: I don't really know why this was a tag match, since Melina and Maria were involved for less than 60 seconds. But, I like the Mickie/Beth feud. It has me wondering if Mickie is even gonna have a chance at Armageddon. Kennedy segment: Now, this was a disappointment. I had a feeling Marty Jannetty was going to be wheeled out there to receive a beat down. (Yes, literally wheeled out on a dolly with squeaky wheels). But to see not one, not two , but FOUR bad imposters was just overboard. The whole segment dragged, and really served little purpose. Kennedy is good enough on his own, he does not need "props" Jeff Hardy/Snitsky/HHH: I thought this was an example of bad booking, IMO. If the idea is to have Snitsky be a monster, you should have him beat Jeff Hardy to the point of a DQ finish. Then you could still trot HHH out there for the save and stare down with a wounded Jeff. Jeff pinning Snitsky makes your monster seem weak, or at least less-monsterish. On top of that he ran from HHH. So thats a double whammy, IMO. However, I really like this HHH/Hardy match-up. This has the potential for match of the year, and its got a real good chance to elevate Hardy to the top. This is a good story so far. Hornswoggle/Carlito/Coach/APA: I think I am in the minority when it comes to Hornswoggle. Most people seem to despise Hornswoggle and claim he is a waste of every second he is on screen. I like Hornswoggle, I can't help but like the innocent, cartoonish humor in his skits. I suppose its a guilty pleasure. Carlito on the other hand. Wow I remember when I thought that this guy was gonna be a top tier wrestler. My how things have changed. Even if the guy doesn't quit, he certainly needs to be sent down, because the Carlito character is pretty well toast. And the APA cameo was pretty cool, but the levels of "markiness" I read today is pretty.......odd. Chris Jericho/Umaga: Y2J is still one of the best of the modern era, IMO. Even after a two year absence, he doesn't look like he has lost a step. Umaga has really stagnated as a character, IMO. I see him, last night, selling bulldogs, and fleeing when Orton interfered. I thought Samoans were impervious to head injuries, and I figured Umaga would be more than happy to Spike Jericho. I think the loss of Estrada has hurt Umaga in the long run. Randy Orton/HBK: Blech, they could have done better that showing this match for the fifteenth time in the past three months. When Regal asked Jericho to pick Orton's opponent, he should have picked Umaga. That would have been the clever Y2J type thing to do. Orton, still is a tough character for me to get into. I really dislike his mike work. He still comes across as bland as ever, even though he has improved in the ring. Random thoughts: I think Armageddon has some very solid, if not good looking match ups. Y2J vs Orton, Hardy vs HHH, HBK vs Kennedy, Beth vs Mickie, Taker vs Edge vs Batista. I think next weeks RAW is going to be a big crowded mess. WWE hopes that a bunch of old timers will spike ratings for a three hour episode. Oh yeah and Trish Stratus. I think its telling at how poorly WWE has been lately in new character development. I am no big nerdy Santino fan, but he was conspicuous by his absence Monday night. He should have gotten owned by the APA also. I am also pretty tolerant of JR's weekly cycle of catchphrases, but he needs to retire the "discretion is the better part of valor" one. That one just sounds silly more times than not. Totally disagree about your opinion on Snitsky VS Hardy. By Hardy beating the Monster clean, it actually makes me believe Hardy has a legit chance against Trips at the PPV. I think the match last night did this for me, so it def. accomplished it's goal. With a DQ ending, I would have thought Trips would have beaten Snitsky pretty easily, Hardy needs HHH to bail him out of a DQ ending. That one match basically sold a big ppv match in this persons eyes.
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Post by RedSmile on Dec 4, 2007 17:25:15 GMT -5
This was the first RAW in awhile I have been able to catch in full. SO I thought I would share some opinions of what I see going on. Women's Match: I don't really know why this was a tag match, since Melina and Maria were involved for less than 60 seconds. But, I like the Mickie/Beth feud. It has me wondering if Mickie is even gonna have a chance at Armageddon. Kennedy segment: Now, this was a disappointment. I had a feeling Marty Jannetty was going to be wheeled out there to receive a beat down. (Yes, literally wheeled out on a dolly with squeaky wheels). But to see not one, not two , but FOUR bad imposters was just overboard. The whole segment dragged, and really served little purpose. Kennedy is good enough on his own, he does not need "props" Jeff Hardy/Snitsky/HHH: I thought this was an example of bad booking, IMO. If the idea is to have Snitsky be a monster, you should have him beat Jeff Hardy to the point of a DQ finish. Then you could still trot HHH out there for the save and stare down with a wounded Jeff. Jeff pinning Snitsky makes your monster seem weak, or at least less-monsterish. On top of that he ran from HHH. So thats a double whammy, IMO. However, I really like this HHH/Hardy match-up. This has the potential for match of the year, and its got a real good chance to elevate Hardy to the top. This is a good story so far. Hornswoggle/Carlito/Coach/APA: I think I am in the minority when it comes to Hornswoggle. Most people seem to despise Hornswoggle and claim he is a waste of every second he is on screen. I like Hornswoggle, I can't help but like the innocent, cartoonish humor in his skits. I suppose its a guilty pleasure. Carlito on the other hand. Wow I remember when I thought that this guy was gonna be a top tier wrestler. My how things have changed. Even if the guy doesn't quit, he certainly needs to be sent down, because the Carlito character is pretty well toast. And the APA cameo was pretty cool, but the levels of "markiness" I read today is pretty.......odd. Chris Jericho/Umaga: Y2J is still one of the best of the modern era, IMO. Even after a two year absence, he doesn't look like he has lost a step. Umaga has really stagnated as a character, IMO. I see him, last night, selling bulldogs, and fleeing when Orton interfered. I thought Samoans were impervious to head injuries, and I figured Umaga would be more than happy to Spike Jericho. I think the loss of Estrada has hurt Umaga in the long run. Randy Orton/HBK: Blech, they could have done better that showing this match for the fifteenth time in the past three months. When Regal asked Jericho to pick Orton's opponent, he should have picked Umaga. That would have been the clever Y2J type thing to do. Orton, still is a tough character for me to get into. I really dislike his mike work. He still comes across as bland as ever, even though he has improved in the ring. Random thoughts: I think Armageddon has some very solid, if not good looking match ups. Y2J vs Orton, Hardy vs HHH, HBK vs Kennedy, Beth vs Mickie, Taker vs Edge vs Batista. I think next weeks RAW is going to be a big crowded mess. WWE hopes that a bunch of old timers will spike ratings for a three hour episode. Oh yeah and Trish Stratus. I think its telling at how poorly WWE has been lately in new character development. I am no big nerdy Santino fan, but he was conspicuous by his absence Monday night. He should have gotten owned by the APA also. I am also pretty tolerant of JR's weekly cycle of catchphrases, but he needs to retire the "discretion is the better part of valor" one. That one just sounds silly more times than not. Totally disagree about your opinion on Snitsky VS Hardy. By Hardy beating the Monster clean, it actually makes me believe Hardy has a legit chance against Trips at the PPV. I think the match last night did this for me, so it def. accomplished it's goal. With a DQ ending, I would have thought Trips would have beaten Snitsky pretty easily, Hardy needs HHH to bail him out of a DQ ending. That one match basically sold a big ppv match in this persons eyes. But thats kind of the thing, Hardy needed HHH to bail him out anyways. The WWE is determined to have HHH show respect/tough love for Hardy
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Post by royboy8 on Dec 4, 2007 17:29:36 GMT -5
Totally disagree about your opinion on Snitsky VS Hardy. By Hardy beating the Monster clean, it actually makes me believe Hardy has a legit chance against Trips at the PPV. I think the match last night did this for me, so it def. accomplished it's goal. With a DQ ending, I would have thought Trips would have beaten Snitsky pretty easily, Hardy needs HHH to bail him out of a DQ ending. That one match basically sold a big ppv match in this persons eyes. But thats kind of the thing, Hardy needed HHH to bail him out anyways. The WWE is determined to have HHH show respect/tough love for Hardy Only after he beat Snitsky clean, in the middle of the ring. That means A LOT imo since no one has done that in months. Made Hardy look very very credible(even more then before)
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Post by RedSmile on Dec 4, 2007 17:36:07 GMT -5
But thats kind of the thing, Hardy needed HHH to bail him out anyways. The WWE is determined to have HHH show respect/tough love for Hardy Only after he beat Snitsky clean, in the middle of the ring. That means A LOT imo since no one has done that in months. Made Hardy look very very credible(even more then before) I see, what you are saying, but I believe that the finish hurt Snitsky more than it helped Hardy. I think the idea of Jeff Hardy beating HHH would be the very event to make him main event credible, not Snitsky
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Post by mrjl on Dec 4, 2007 19:45:18 GMT -5
The crowd was pretty dead for Snitsky and he's had three different characters and plenty of squashes. He may be on his way out.
Umaga's never had the head invulnerability most Samoan monsters do. He kind of half sells the moves. He'll get up from a DDT quicker than anyone but he's slower, has his feet spread to maintain balance.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Dec 4, 2007 19:56:38 GMT -5
Despite being a massive Mickie mark, I'm happy they jobbed her last night. I'm tired of "challenger pins champion in a tag match" that they always do. Last night, they made the champion look strong, and it would suggest that Mickie's come a long way in two weeks if she almost beats Beth. I say "almost", since it looks like she's not getting the belt. I think Mickie looked better last night than she ever has before.
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Post by Lancers on Dec 4, 2007 20:55:56 GMT -5
I also noticed Kennedy's blue tongue too. There's a really tasteless smurf (not the filter, the actual smurf) joke I could use at this point, but rules prohibit me from doing so.
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Post by RedSmile on Dec 4, 2007 21:14:24 GMT -5
The crowd was pretty dead for Snitsky and he's had three different characters and plenty of squashes. He may be on his way out. Umaga's never had the head invulnerability most Samoan monsters do. He kind of half sells the moves. He'll get up from a DDT quicker than anyone but he's slower, has his feet spread to maintain balance. Thats possible with Snitsky, which is kind of a shame because he could serve a purpose if they tried with him. I still don't understand the brown teeth.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2007 0:24:46 GMT -5
Only after he beat Snitsky clean, in the middle of the ring. That means A LOT imo since no one has done that in months. Made Hardy look very very credible(even more then before) I see, what you are saying, but I believe that the finish hurt Snitsky more than it helped Hardy. I think the idea of Jeff Hardy beating HHH would be the very event to make him main event credible, not Snitsky honestly... i dont give a damn about Snitsky so even if it hurt him as long as it helped Hardy i'll be happy
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Post by Cap'n Crud on Dec 5, 2007 1:47:13 GMT -5
The crowd was pretty dead for Snitsky and he's had three different characters and plenty of squashes. He may be on his way out. Umaga's never had the head invulnerability most Samoan monsters do. He kind of half sells the moves. He'll get up from a DDT quicker than anyone but he's slower, has his feet spread to maintain balance. Thats possible with Snitsky, which is kind of a shame because he could serve a purpose if they tried with him. I still don't understand the brown teeth. I heard Snitsky used to have a foot fetish. I don't think any woman would let him anywhere near her feet with those cruddy brown choppers.
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Post by TheKillShot on Dec 5, 2007 6:25:21 GMT -5
Overall thought, the card feels rushed, like they are overseeing this week because they are looking forward to next week's show
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