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Post by maxx420 on Dec 4, 2007 17:42:49 GMT -5
Even in the final days, I was loyal to WCW. I guess the Monday Night Wars DVD would suffice as far as a documentary, but I wish they had other people's thoughts who were actually in WCW at the time and not WWE asskissers like Brisco. Not to mention Steve Lombardi. Yeah, 'cause we all know that the Brooklynm Brawler was a MAJOR player in the Monday Night Wars. He had Bischoff & co. running scared
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Post by Citizen Snips on Dec 4, 2007 17:52:34 GMT -5
Even in the final days, I was loyal to WCW. I guess the Monday Night Wars DVD would suffice as far as a documentary, but I wish they had other people's thoughts who were actually in WCW at the time and not WWE asskissers like Brisco. Not to mention Steve Lombardi. Yeah, 'cause we all know that the Brooklynm Brawler was a MAJOR player in the Monday Night Wars. He had Bischoff & co. running scared "I told Vince every week during that stupid Sting/Hogan feud that went on forever and nobody cared about, put the Brawler in the top spot and this war is over. If he woulda listened, Bret never would've had to screw Bret."
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Dec 4, 2007 18:32:49 GMT -5
If they do make a Rise and Fall of WCW DVD, they should just have the entire thing narrated by Brisco.
"Hi folks, I am Gerry Brisco. I am here to explain the many reasons for which you just do not mess with the Mac-Mahons. It is an 18 part series in which I will explain the various facets of how we kicked WCW down in the dirt and watched it die. Also, please check out the Extras section for a Behind-The-Scenes peek at the making of The Condemned."
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Post by TRMcGillicutty on Dec 4, 2007 18:42:25 GMT -5
I would LOVE a real Rise and Fall of WCW DVD. As a diehard WCW fan from 1992 until its death, I would love to be able to see some of the old stuff I grew up watching.
And to answer the question posted by kwydjebo(great Critic reference by the by), I never thought WCW die. Never in a million years. Sure it got bad, but it was still fun to watch. I came in watching stuff like that when I was a kid, so it wasn't like I hadn't been through terrible WCW happenings. I was horribly upset when WCW died and I'm still pissed to this day. I think that's why I watch TNA: it reminds me of a six sided WCW.
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Post by BRAINFADE on Dec 4, 2007 18:44:31 GMT -5
Even though their is a potential goldmine waiting for WWE in WCW DVDs, it'll never happen, because that will be them admitting that some good came out of WCW. And, of course, we can't have that.
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Post by tarheelfan on Dec 4, 2007 18:55:35 GMT -5
As a fan of WCW (which I prefered in a huge way to the WWE), I can give my two cents on your questions. The first time that I really saw that there were any serious problems with WCW was the Fingerpoke of Doom. I didn't really see the issues that were bothering the company before that and that incident made me so angry that I can't ever forgive Nash for it and I was enraged at the company for a long time after it. Bringing in Russo made me fear the worst quickly and I was right because Russo hated the WCW fans who were there and wanted us to go away so that he could attract the WWE Attitude fans to the company. He assumed that those fans (who were partially made up of fans who saw wrestling as a fad) would get the ratings up and he wanted the fans who were loyal to WCW to either become like the Attitude fans or go away completely. It felt like that to me with the garbage that Russo pulled (fake voices for luchadores, burying Flair and Piper, shoving young guys down our throats, etc.) he was trying to get us to not care anymore. He didn't understand that the WCW fanbase was very different in terms of what were interested in compared to the WWE Attitude era fans wanted. Those fan bases were not compatable at all. I still held out hope but really began to lose that hope after Bischoff left for good in 2000 and Russo was chosen to run things instead of him. The people above them thought that getting rid of Hogan and focusing on guys like Jarrett (who I like but never thought as a top guy) and Nash was a good idea. Russo, when he was an on-camera character also never put anyone over. I mean, he held on while Flair had him in the Figure 4 for 5 minutes, he won the title from Booker T, and he never got it from Goldberg when fans were so desperate to see that happen. Russo thought that he was the star like Vince McMahon thinks that he is now. Russo had all of McMahon's bad traits and none of his good ones. I never thought that the company would go out of business though and I was stunned to learn that Bischoff wasn't able to buy the company and the shows were being canceled permantly. That being said, I would love to see a DVD with the real story about the success and fall of WCW, but, that won't happen since the McMahons have to always make things about them and how great they are. I really agree with this post tremendously. A key major fan base of WCW was the wrestling fans who grew up watching the NWA especially the southern NWA territories. I also felt that when Russo came in that he probbaly didn't care about giving old school WCW fans what theyw anted and instead tried to force feed the Attitude Era on WCW sort to speak. The reason that WCW fans did not take to younger wrestlers so readily is because a lot of WCW fans were conditioned to watching wrestlers rise up the ranks and paying their dues through the years and working their way from low card-mid card to main event status. Force feeding a bunch of new wrestlers as main eventers just was not going to fly with the older fans. And to the detriment of WCW many older fans quit watching which hurt WCW.
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Dec 4, 2007 21:03:13 GMT -5
How well did the Ric Flair and the Four Horsemen DVD do? The nWo DVD? The Hulk Hogan DVD? Because those would be the indicators for the profitability for a WCW DVD.
It's all Sting's fault. Making a WCW DVD would be meaningless without him. The man was the main face for the life of the promotion. So until he signs his legend's contract, it won't be made.
Of course one will be made, someday. If they made a AWA DVD set, then they will make a WCW set.
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Post by cpbuff22 on Dec 4, 2007 21:07:51 GMT -5
I'd buy it, so long as it ended with Ted Turner on a horse in his ranch in Montana saying "I regret nothing" and then riding off. I would buy a copy of that... and one for all my friends.
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Dec 4, 2007 21:09:35 GMT -5
How well did the Ric Flair and the Four Horsemen DVD do? The nWo DVD? The Hulk Hogan DVD? Because those would be the indicators for the profitability for a WCW DVD. It's all Sting's fault. Making a WCW DVD would be meaningless without him. The man was the main face for the life of the promotion. So until he signs his legend's contract, it won't be made. Of course one will be made, someday. If they made a AWA DVD set, then they will make a WCW set. Oh man, I have that NWO DVD, and it was one of the most disappointing WWE DVD purchases I ever made. To those who didn't see it, roughly the entire second 50% of the DVD is stuff the NWO did in WWE such as Hogan driving a truck into Rock's ambulance. What's that? You say that you hardly remember the WWE NWO stuff at all? Well watching this DVD, they paint history in such a way that their WWE stint was every bit as meaningful as their WCW stuff. Having ranted on that, if a Rise and Fall DVD is going to be anything like the NWO one, I'll pass.
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Post by Reverend BTY on Dec 4, 2007 21:10:31 GMT -5
If it has a Wrestlecrap filled section with Thunder goodness, I'd buy a copy.
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Post by cartern923 on Dec 4, 2007 22:02:59 GMT -5
Plus. Everyone knows the WCW story...we've heard it so many times...
It can be summed up in two words...
BACKSTAGE. POLITICS.
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Post by Jock Ass on Dec 4, 2007 23:14:27 GMT -5
As a fan of WCW (which I prefered in a huge way to the WWE), I can give my two cents on your questions. The first time that I really saw that there were any serious problems with WCW was the Fingerpoke of Doom. I didn't really see the issues that were bothering the company before that and that incident made me so angry that I can't ever forgive Nash for it and I was enraged at the company for a long time after it. Bringing in Russo made me fear the worst quickly and I was right because Russo hated the WCW fans who were there and wanted us to go away so that he could attract the WWE Attitude fans to the company. He assumed that those fans (who were partially made up of fans who saw wrestling as a fad) would get the ratings up and he wanted the fans who were loyal to WCW to either become like the Attitude fans or go away completely. It felt like that to me with the garbage that Russo pulled (fake voices for luchadores, burying Flair and Piper, shoving young guys down our throats, etc.) he was trying to get us to not care anymore. He didn't understand that the WCW fanbase was very different in terms of what were interested in compared to the WWE Attitude era fans wanted. Those fan bases were not compatable at all. I still held out hope but really began to lose that hope after Bischoff left for good in 2000 and Russo was chosen to run things instead of him. The people above them thought that getting rid of Hogan and focusing on guys like Jarrett (who I like but never thought as a top guy) and Nash was a good idea. Russo, when he was an on-camera character also never put anyone over. I mean, he held on while Flair had him in the Figure 4 for 5 minutes, he won the title from Booker T, and he never got it from Goldberg when fans were so desperate to see that happen. Russo thought that he was the star like Vince McMahon thinks that he is now. Russo had all of McMahon's bad traits and none of his good ones. I never thought that the company would go out of business though and I was stunned to learn that Bischoff wasn't able to buy the company and the shows were being canceled permantly. That being said, I would love to see a DVD with the real story about the success and fall of WCW, but, that won't happen since the McMahons have to always make things about them and how great they are. I really agree with this post tremendously. A key major fan base of WCW was the wrestling fans who grew up watching the NWA especially the southern NWA territories. I also felt that when Russo came in that he probbaly didn't care about giving old school WCW fans what theyw anted and instead tried to force feed the Attitude Era on WCW sort to speak. The reason that WCW fans did not take to younger wrestlers so readily is because a lot of WCW fans were conditioned to watching wrestlers rise up the ranks and paying their dues through the years and working their way from low card-mid card to main event status. Force feeding a bunch of new wrestlers as main eventers just was not going to fly with the older fans. And to the detriment of WCW many older fans quit watching which hurt WCW. Let us not also forget that the NWA/WCW also did something different than the WWF did, and that was focus on in-ring talent/performance. Something along the lines of "Shut up and wrestle" come to (my) mind.
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