EcW Wrestlecrap

[Captain Wonderful]

Cyrus?! Cyrus was FANTASTIC.

stevedave said:

Also can I point out that there is a hugely popular for close to 20 years now gimmick of an UNDEAD WRESTLER that drew mystic power from an URN.

If a gimmick or an angle gets over, it can't be crap. Half of what MAKES something crap is not getting over. And the Undertaker is PERMA-over. Granted, on paper, the gimmick has "Wrestlecrap" written all over it, but he took the ball and ran with it, and worked the living HELL out of it. Is a wrestling undertaker really worse than a schizophrenic clown?

[davephlegmball]

From Eastern Championship Wrestling:

Hunter Q. Robbins III, though it was damn funny when Terry Funk was calling him "Hunter Q. Robbins the Turd."

Johnny Hotbody, a greasy, jet-black-haired gargoyle as a "Suicide Blond" along w/ Candido. Again though, it was damn funny when Paul E (on color) would say things like "Now here you have Hotbody proving that if your blond [which he wasn't] proving that not all blonds are necessarily stupid [as he cheated]."

Sal Bellomo as Super Destroyer No. 3.

JT Smith [an African American] as a Full-Blooded Italian

But all these things got over because of the crowd and the fact that they were not treated as being marketable entities--they were there for fun, and usually not at the top of the card. The real, the great wrestlers, such as when Abby, the Funks, the WING Invasion, etc, these things were all treated with proper respect. Real fans of wrestling were not insulted, as is the case today.

[KLRA]

survivalism said:

Cyrus?! Cyrus was FANTASTIC.

stevedave said:

Also can I point out that there is a hugely popular for close to 20 years now gimmick of an UNDEAD WRESTLER that drew mystic power from an URN.

If a gimmick or an angle gets over, it can't be crap. Half of what MAKES something crap is not getting over. And the Undertaker is PERMA-over. Granted, on paper, the gimmick has "Wrestlecrap" written all over it, but he took the ball and ran with it, and worked the living HELL out of it. Is a wrestling undertaker really worse than a schizophrenic clown?

That's the point I was making. ANYTHING can be crap if not presented right. Yeah, the ECW crowd was eating just about everything up, SO WHAT? IT WORKED.

[i.Sarita.com]

*On a Side Note about Chilly Willy...I was in that guys unit at Fort Drum, well he was in Charlie Company anyway...Sad that he got let go from his WWE devlopmental deal because they wanted to exploit his military service and his being awarded a Purple Heart...Having been wounded in Combat myself, I sure as hell would never be willing to do something like that...*

[Styx Cover Band]

Cyrus and the Musketeer (actually all of Simon Diamond's entourage) were fantastic.

I don't think the final years were wrestlecrap at all, I loved them, sure it had changed from the early years but come on, you had the 'Network' angle, the fantastic Super Crazy/Tajiri and RVD/Jerry Lynn feuds, the Unholy Alliance, the Sandman returned, Rhino was destroying everything in his path. Steve Corino and Jack Victory were great, Awesome and Tanaka were killing each other as were Balls/New Jack and the Baldies.

I thought the undercard was solid as well as you had Matthews/York, Confederate Currency, Doring and Roadkill were over Doring were over throw in CW Anderson, Kid Kash and Nova and that is one hell of a show

[Dynamite Kid]

ECW doesn't have as much of a high percentage of crap.

However as far as ECW wrestlecrap, how about Dreamer only winning the world title from Tazz, and only holding it for 18 minutes?

[ilikeRusso.]

Sandman being Crucified by was it (justin credible) cant remember something really f***ed up that was AWESOMe and got them banned from tv apparently i cant remember i read it somewhere.

[heyguesswhatidid]

The Network was pretty crappy because it was just a rip off of every corporation style story line.

[Hiroshi Hase]

dynamitekid said:

ECW doesn't have as much of a high percentage of crap.

However as far as ECW wrestlecrap, how about Dreamer only winning the world title from Tazz, and only holding it for 18 minutes?

I don't think that was crap, it got over Justin Credible as a heel and Dreamer didn't want to get the belt either.

[Chuckie Finster]

highroadheaven said:

*On a Side Note about Chilly Willy...I was in that guys unit at Fort Drum, well he was in Charlie Company anyway...Sad that he got let go from his WWE devlopmental deal because they wanted to exploit his military service and his being awarded a Purple Heart...Having been wounded in Combat myself, I sure as hell would never be willing to do something like that...*

I believe he joined the service after 9/11 and gave up wrestling for a time. If that's true about exploiting his military service that's low.

[samachine]

rrm15 said:

Everything about ROH is fantastic. There was nothing crappy, and if you think there was you're a stupid Vince lover.

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[stevierichardsfan]

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[Samoa Kenny]

survivalism said:

Cyrus?! Cyrus was FANTASTIC.

stevedave said:

Also can I point out that there is a hugely popular for close to 20 years now gimmick of an UNDEAD WRESTLER that drew mystic power from an URN.

If a gimmick or an angle gets over, it can't be crap. Half of what MAKES something crap is not getting over. And the Undertaker is PERMA-over. Granted, on paper, the gimmick has "Wrestlecrap" written all over it, but he took the ball and ran with it, and worked the living HELL out of it. Is a wrestling undertaker really worse than a schizophrenic clown?

I don't think this can possibly be true. I know that something, SOMETHING, in wrestlecrap has to have gotten over. WWE/WCW(you know, for a while) were way too successful for their crap to have not gotten over. What I mean to say is, there are tons of Hogan/Warrior/you name it angles in here that were def crappy, but must have gotten over. Hogans been involved in more crap than anyone and has been the biggest name is wrestling for 20 years(Yeah i know, a bold statement, but as a non fan to name a wrestler). Some of his crap must have done ok!

[mrjerkybigbucks]

There was a angle where a guy cut off road kills beard and Joey sould it like it was the worst thing ever. He kept saying "Never cut an Amish persons beard off. NEVER!!!!!" That was very wrestlecrappy

[Zane]

vincerussoisgod said:

irontyger said:

He's inducted things from USWA and other such companies.

ECW had crap: Simon Diamond's Bodyguard, The Prodigy and The Prodigette, Bilvis Presley, The Crucifiction angle, Lita as a skank (Miss Congeniality), some of the early Dudleys.

How was the crucifiction angle wrestlecrap??? I mark for crucified Sandman. Then again, I never saw it at the time.

Also, who were the Prodigy and Prodigette??? Didnt' follow ECW at the time.

No one saw it until the Rise and Fall of ECW DVD unless you were there. They never aired that segement during the episode of Hardcore TV

[Dragonfly]

Guilty as Charged 2001. Here is why I say that:

1) All of the clever writing that made ECW so much fun to watch was replaced by penis jokes. Nearly every non-wrestling segment had at least five references to the "man down under."

2) I know that ECW was notorious for their "impromptu match ups," but they didn't even attempt to explain things this time around. A few of the brawls boiled down to "Wanna fight? Dem's fightin' words."

3) At this point, the roster seems to be more fit for a micro-Indy promotion than the third-largest promotion in North America.

4) Rhino seems to get more screen time than John Cena and Batista combined. I like Rhino, but this was too much.

5) The actual show begins with Cyrus and Jerry Lynn obliterating the team of Christian York and Joey Matthews. Cyrus and Lynn then gets on the mic and berates them. York and Matthews never get their revenge. Maybe the new ECW is taking their booking cues from the old ECW after all...

6) Hot Commodity, a team made up of nothing but money puns (EZ Money, Julio Dinero, "Confederate Currency" Chris Hamrick... and... um... Elektra).

7) ...And your new ECW Tag Team champions are Danny Doring and Roadkill. Need I say more?

8) The CW Anderson/Tommy Dreamer "I Quit" match. Tommy is in full-on "jobber mode" here. And the big surprise at the end of the match? Tommy pulls out a spool of razor wire. Whoopie.

9) Justin Credible makes out with Missy Hyatt in a darkened bathroom while Steve Corino makes suggestive comments about the giant sub sandwich that Francine is eating. The most phallic imagery that you'll ever see this side of Cinemax porn.

10) During the Sandman/Corino/Credible ladder match, Sandman pulls out a ladder that actually goes past where the belt is hanging. Their solution? Raise the harness so that the belt isn't hitting against the side of the giant ladder. Too bad they did five minutes after the giant ladder was taken down. It appeared as if someone in the back was playing "keep away" with the title belt.


Now don't get wrong here: there were a few great things in this show.

1) The "title belt" promos from Sandman, Corino, and Rhino were actually well done and really drove the point home.

2) The end of the ladder match had Rhino beating the living tar out of the new (and obviously worn-out) champion Sandman and taking his title. The WWE would pull a similar angle almost five years later with John Cena and Edge.

3) The return of Rob Van Dam, and his subsequent match with Jerry Lynn, was classic ECW.


So let's see here... three good things up against ten bad things.... seems like Wrestlecrap to me...

[Powder/The Professor]

I never did care for DW Dudley or Dudley Dudley. I always thought it would have been funny if they had a really pale fat guy named Milk Dudley.