Cactus Jack vs. Mil Mascaras

[mysterydriver]

youtube.com/watch?v=WiX9nycyqc8

The match that Mick hated so much.

Cornette is putting Foley over so hard I thought he might break something.

BONUS: youtube.com/watch?v=W8p5rSI3FBw

Norman the Lunatic vs. Cactus Jack. Another match that Cactus didn't like. I think the commentary by JR & Terry Funk saves it though.

[Efren]

Thanks man, always wanted to see it as im a big mark for both ofem, tho Im very much aware of MM's rep as a complete asshole, its not just Foley who hates him...

[Cibernético II]

Jesus, Cornette couldn't have possibly crapped on Mil Mascaras any more during the match.

I love Foley and all but I don't think he was prepared for the old school Mexican style. To say MM was too old to work back then is bogus, he could wrestle pretty good. He may have been a jerk, but his style was old school, from a time when guys seemed to challenge each other physically (even though it was still a work).

I think its a double standard. If an American old timer like Stan Hansen or somebody had roughed him and no-sold, Foley would just said he was a tough sonofagun and great old time wrestler. But since it was star from Mexico, he painted him as an old jackass that didn't know how to wrestle.

[jameson]

I think Mascaras' finishing move was sucking his gut in.

[Mozenrath]

cibernetico2 said:

Jesus, Cornette couldn't have possibly crapped on Mil Mascaras any more during the match.

I love Foley and all but I don't think he was prepared for the old school Mexican style. To say MM was too old to work back then is bogus, he could wrestle pretty good. He may have been a jerk, but his style was old school, from a time when guys seemed to challenge each other physically (even though it was still a work).

I think its a double standard. If an American old timer like Stan Hansen or somebody had roughed him and no-sold, Foley would just said he was a tough sonofagun and great old time wrestler. But since it was star from Mexico, he painted him as an old jackass that didn't know how to wrestle.

It wasn't like Mil worked stiff. It was that Mil was bad at bumping, and Mick pointed out that losing to a man who wasn't even in the company made no sense.

[thwak is T.hawk]

nah MM is pretty widely known for being a jerk. I mean just look at how much he would no sell all the time.

hell I saw a tag match with him and john tenta in war and MM was trying to no sell john tenta for crying out loud.

[Rocky Van Heineken]

Cactus Jack Manson? Ugh. What a terrible name.

Match is okay, though.

[newbombturk]

That's some nice no selling there. I can see Foley's point about that it makes no sense having to job to someone who isn't even in the company and makes his opponents look weak by refusing or not being able to take bumps and going into business for himself. Great way to build your stars and your company...

[Mozenrath]

rockygotfingered said:

Cactus Jack Manson? Ugh. What a terrible name.

Match is okay, though.

Foley hated going by Manson, too.

Mil Mascaras is a douchebag. El Santo and Gory Guerrero were better than he ever approached.

[thwak is T.hawk]

kiddobradley said:

rockygotfingered said:

Cactus Jack Manson? Ugh. What a terrible name.

Match is okay, though.

Foley hated going by Manson, too.

Mil Mascaras is a douchebag. El Santo and Gory Guerrero were better than he ever approached.

I'd even say that mascaras's brother is better then him. then again his brother is in my opinion the best technical wrestler in the world.

[Mozenrath]

Who's his brother?

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, Blue Demon is far better and more influential than Mil ever was.

[Efren]

His bro is Dos Caras, and he is indeed bether than him, I also wholehartedly agree Gory was bether but el Santo? Mehh....

Mil is not only a jerk on the ring but hes also know to show off deliveratley starting high brow conversations on the locker room with guys who obiously wouldnt know the first thing about em so he can feel culturaly superior..

[Mozenrath]

efren said:

His bro is Dos Caras, and he is indeed bether than him, I also wholehartedly agree Gory was bether but el Santo? Mehh....

Mil is not only a jerk on the ring but hes also know to show off deliveratley starting high brow conversations on the locker room with guys who obiously wouldnt know the first thing about em so he can feel culturaly superior..

I only mention El Santo since he at least was more of an icon, anyway.

[STMP]

Talking about old school lucha libre, does someone have some nice links?

I've only seen a El Santo match once and it was beautiful. I noticed that he never punched or kicked in the entire match. Which really made the match look that good, it was all about very fast take overs like armdrags and head scissors.

[Mozenrath]

giovanni said:

Talking about old school lucha libre, does someone have some nice links?

I've only seen a El Santo match once and it was beautiful. I noticed that he never punched or kicked in the entire match. Which really made the match look that good, it was all about very fast take overs like armdrags and head scissors.

I don't think they're allowed to punch, and maybe not even kick, particularly back then

In Japan, for example, punches are frowned upon, and they stick to chops.

[STMP]

kiddobradley said:

giovanni said:

Talking about old school lucha libre, does someone have some nice links?

I've only seen a El Santo match once and it was beautiful. I noticed that he never punched or kicked in the entire match. Which really made the match look that good, it was all about very fast take overs like armdrags and head scissors.

I don't think they're allowed to punch, and maybe not even kick, particularly back then

In Japan, for example, punches are frowned upon, and they stick to chops.

I had that idea too, but I've never seen enough lucha libre to know for sure. It does explain the fast paced style with a lot of chain wrestling.

[Mozenrath]

I always thought I'd hate old-school wrestling, be bored to tears.

I wasn't though, when I sat back and watched about a half-hour of Tiger Mask vs. Dynamite Kid action.

Old school wrestlers could really keep the heat up,

Some people call the Dynamite Kid the greatest pound-for-pound wrestler, and they have a case.

I'd say Tiger Mask was his superior, though.

[silverking]

jameson said:

I think Mascaras' finishing move was sucking his gut in.

Looks like he influenced HHH.

[Real Folk Bruce]

Back in the day Mil was the freakin' man.An awesome talent wherever
he went.Doesn't wrestle as well as Dos Caras or El Santo,but excellent
none the less.

Its a shame that a man with such a following and so many fans around the world,would grow into the cantankerous old duck he is today.


And by the way,Terry Funk is awesome on commentary.They should
have used him more.

[Powder/The Professor]

Another reason I love James E. Cornette on Commentary. He didnt have that compulsion to push the other storylines going on, he focused on the match. He focused on what he was watching and that to me is proof that above all else, he is a Fan at heart.