Randy Barber 4-Life
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Post by Randy Barber 4-Life on Oct 30, 2007 20:55:00 GMT -5
I almost posted this under the "What matches should Hogan have lost" thread but it's a little off-topic and I didn't want to derail the thread. I know Hogan has his detractors but I've always been a fan of his and I still am to this day. But I'm watching his Ultimate Anthology set and I have to ask, what exactly was the point of the entire Survivor Series and Tuesday in Texas matches with the Undertaker. Obviously the point was to get the title vacated for the Rumble, but it seems like a really odd way to go about it. For some reason even though I was watching back then I don't remember a lot of the setup around those matches, and to this day I'm not sure I've seen the match at Survivor Series. My main issue watching the Tuesday match is that I'm surprised Undertaker's "mystique" held after that. They revealed the mystery of the urn (this time around anyway) and he was disposed of rather easily compared to his previous matches and how it's been ever since. Anyone else remember better than I do what was going on back then?
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Post by YouStayClassy on Oct 30, 2007 20:57:39 GMT -5
Hogan's ego has to make sense now?
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 30, 2007 20:58:40 GMT -5
I think the basic idea was that Tunney got annoyed that not only did Taker blatantly cheat at Survivor Series to initially beat Hogan (which was a big ol' Thanksgiving Eve SHOCK to lil' 6 year old HMark back in '91) by getting distractions from Paul Bearer and direct aid from Ric Flair, but that Hogan then proceeded to take the oppurtunity Tunny gave him, the rematch at Tuesday in Texas, and then cheat to win the title back, by throwing ash in Taker's eyes to blind him.
Basically, both men had to cheat to beat one another (I guess), and the cheating on consecutive title changes within one week of one another led to the title being vacated by an angry President of the company.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Oct 30, 2007 21:14:41 GMT -5
For some reason even though I was watching back then I don't remember a lot of the setup around those matches, and to this day I'm not sure I've seen the match at Survivor Series. The set-up for Survivor Series was the usual "latest unstoppable challenger to Hogan's mighty throne"...with the twist that Taker won. The match is on his 3 disc DVD, and the crowd reaction between the little Hulkamaniacs being absolutely floored and the smattering of anti-Hogan/pro-Taker fans going crazy with joy was tremendous. While the whole thing was kind of messy, it was a huge factor in Undertaker being such a massive success. I guess that's the ultimate point. |
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Cranjis McBasketball
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Oct 30, 2007 21:20:35 GMT -5
You also have to consider the Flair factor and the Tuesday PPV factor in this angle.
-Flair wasn't allowed to display the Big Gold Belt, which kind of killed that angle
- a Tuesday PPV was an experiment, even though SS took place on a Wednesday that year, but they needed a hook to get people to buy....so Taker winning the title was that hook.
- Hogan/Flair was probably still in the cards for WM8.
It's what happened afterward that makes this angle seem awkward. It was fine for when it happened.
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Mr. Mediocre
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Post by Mr. Mediocre on Oct 30, 2007 21:50:35 GMT -5
I think the basic idea was that Tunney got annoyed that not only did Taker blatantly cheat at Survivor Series to initially beat Hogan (which was a big ol' Thanksgiving Eve SHOCK to lil' 6 year old HMark back in '91) by getting distractions from Paul Bearer and direct aid from Ric Flair, but that Hogan then proceeded to take the oppurtunity Tunny gave him, the rematch at Tuesday in Texas, and then cheat to win the title back, by throwing ash in Taker's eyes to blind him. Basically, both men had to cheat to beat one another (I guess), and the cheating on consecutive title changes within one week of one another led to the title being vacated by an angry President of the company. That was the way I reasoned it as well and still the way I understand it in a kayfabe sense. |
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Post by Milkman Norm on Oct 30, 2007 22:06:11 GMT -5
I don't think Undertaker was ready to run with the belt then, not when Flair was in place to be a much better heel champion. In a way it made since that Taker exited the title scene so quickly, becuase if he had the belt at Wrestlemania VIII the streak would never have happened.
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Post by lildude8218 on Oct 30, 2007 22:29:35 GMT -5
They needed to get the belt on Flair for Wrestlemania. They couldn't have him beat Hogan for it because they were banking on Hogan/Flair being a huge dream match (even though it had happened on house shows but those hardly count.)
Does anyone remember watching WWF weekend programming after Tuesday in Texas and hearing them say that Hogan used a chair to win the belt back? I didn't know he did anything with ashes until I read it in PWI
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Mr. Mediocre
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Post by Mr. Mediocre on Oct 31, 2007 0:03:46 GMT -5
You also have to consider the Flair factor and the Tuesday PPV factor in this angle. -Flair wasn't allowed to display the Big Gold Belt, which kind of killed that angle - a Tuesday PPV was an experiment, even though SS took place on a Wednesday that year, but they needed a hook to get people to buy....so Taker winning the title was that hook. - Hogan/Flair was probably still in the cards for WM8. It's what happened afterward that makes this angle seem awkward. It was fine for when it happened. I'm curious because I honestly don't know...what stopped Hogan-Flair from happening at WM8? I'm going to take a wild guess and assume someone politicked, but I'm wondering if there's more to it than that. |
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Post by Mister Yummy on Oct 31, 2007 0:38:33 GMT -5
Hogan left the company to make movies. That's why Hogan vs. Flair didn't happen at WM8.
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Post by I Graduated Warrior University on Oct 31, 2007 6:22:41 GMT -5
Hogan left the company to make movies. That's why Hogan vs. Flair didn't happen at WM8. Then why did Hogan vs Sid happen at WM8? |
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Post by gimmieabreakbrain on Oct 31, 2007 7:43:57 GMT -5
Here's the deal for what that set up was suppose to be for "Tuesday" going into the Rumble and Mania 8. Hogan lost the title to Taker at Survior and then to sell the tombstone on the chair Hogan was suppose to not be a Tuesday Night in Texas and a sub was taking Hogans place. That replacement was to be Roddy Piper, Piper was to go on and beat Taker for the title and become world champion and carry it to the Rumble where Flair was to go over for the belt. Then in the Rumble match Hogan was suppose to win by dumping Taker (to get his revenge) and then go onto Mania to fight Flair for the world title. Hogan was suppose to win the belt back from Flair at Mania 8. All this was confirmerd to me by Roddy Piper and Percy Pringle at two different times. So Itend to believe them. I guess going out of Survior Series Hogan had enough of the WWF and wanted out, so that's why everything was changed and therest is history.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Oct 31, 2007 9:46:49 GMT -5
Hogan left the company to make movies. That's why Hogan vs. Flair didn't happen at WM8. Then why did Hogan vs Sid happen at WM8? I dunno, I guess a match that wouldn't have any implications as to title standing and they were building a feud between those two as well. Also, I think Sid left shortly after Mania, so it wasn't like either man were in a position to need to look good for future standings. |
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Post by Fireravenv on Oct 31, 2007 9:56:53 GMT -5
This whole thread is not Fair to Flair.
I've always wanted to say that.
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