When did Paul Roma hate start?

[Joekishi]

chuckymac314 said:

heyguesswhatidid said:

But that's no different that a dozen wrestlers that aren't hated.

I doubt those guys went from jobber to Horsemen on top of being mediocre wrestlers and horrible personalities. Sure, Roma's one of a glut of guys of his milleiu, but there's a difference between him and them: "Publicity, publicity, publicity".

But see he wasn't really mediocre he was solid and could have good matches with any type of opponent.

Then again people like to have revisionist histories.

[Spankymac is sick of the swiss]

basicboogeynomix said:

chuckymac314 said:

I doubt those guys went from jobber to Horsemen on top of being mediocre wrestlers and horrible personalities. Sure, Roma's one of a glut of guys of his milleiu, but there's a difference between him and them: "Publicity, publicity, publicity".

But see he wasn't really mediocre he was solid and could have good matches with any type of opponent.

Then again people like to have revisionist histories.

I never ever remember seeing Roma have a good match where Orndorff or his opponent wasn't carrying his ass. He was medicore at best.

[thereallybigshow]

chuckymac314 said:

basicboogeynomix said:

But see he wasn't really mediocre he was solid and could have good matches with any type of opponent.

Then again people like to have revisionist histories.

I never ever remember seeing Roma have a good match where Orndorff or his opponent wasn't carrying his ass. He was medicore at best.

SpankPac you are wrong. As usual some of theIWC has no idea what they are talking about. I have recently worked with Paul Roma and you couldn't be more wrong.

I've watched him train his wrestling students. He was trained by Mr. Fuji. He is damn good at ring psychology and is still in great shape. Paul was always a great wrestler. Just because he never hit it big doesn't mean he was mediocre. You obviously can't judge in ring talent and have no idea what you are talking about.

Paul's students are some of the best in Connecticut and New England. They know how to work the crowd and get over with doing a ton of flips.

Paul's in ring ability is not opinion, it's fact. Paul was always known as a great technician. If you say otherwise you aren't in the know and are just trying to seem cool.

[Spankymac is sick of the swiss]

thereallybigshow said:

chuckymac314 said:

I never ever remember seeing Roma have a good match where Orndorff or his opponent wasn't carrying his ass. He was medicore at best.

SpankPac you are wrong. As usual some of theIWC has no idea what they are talking about. I have recently worked with Paul Roma and you couldn't be more wrong.

I've watched him train his wrestling students. He was trained by Mr. Fuji. He is damn good at ring psychology and is still in great shape. Paul was always a great wrestler. Just because he never hit it big doesn't mean he was mediocre. You obviously can't judge in ring talent and have no idea what you are talking about.

Paul's students are some of the best in Connecticut and New England. They know how to work the crowd and get over with doing a ton of flips.

Paul's in ring ability is not opinion, it's fact. Paul was always known as a great technician. If you say otherwise you aren't in the know and are just trying to seem cool.

Point me to a single Roma match where the crowd isn't sitting on their hands that a bigger star isn't involved in, then I'll admit your opinion is a fact. And no, I'm not "trying to seem cool", I'm stating my opinion of Paul's in ring skills, or lack thereof, just like you.

[thereallybigshow]

chuckymac314 said:

Point me to a single Roma match where the crowd isn't sitting on their hands that a bigger star isn't involved in, then I'll admit your opinion is a fact. And no, I'm not "trying to seem cool", I'm stating my opinion of Paul's in ring skills, or lack thereof, just like you.

Let's see. How about a chain match he just had this past year in Indiana. A man supposedly a decade past his prime had the audience going crazy. Plus he is still in nearly the same shape.

You make as if you can spot talent. If you are trying to tell me Paul Roma isn't a good worker you are wrong. I don't think you understand, it isn't exactly a matter of opinion. Paul is a great technician with a great mind for ring psychology. There is a reason he joined the horsemen. While the run was lackluster, Paul was a serious wrestler and a genuinely tough guy.

To say he wasn't a good worker shows you don't have an eye for what makes up a good worker.

What makes him a bad worker in your opinion? The fact Flair trashed him? There is a reason he worked in the two biggest promotions for nearly half a decade. He actually was offered a contract again in the late 90's but turned it down.

[The Captain]

I don't think Roma was the worst choice for a Horseman ever (that goes to Mongo, easily), but it did come out of left field. I think the guy gets more hate than he deserves, but I also don't think he was anything too special. He was a solid worker, but also an unremarkable one.

[Spankymac is sick of the swiss]

onyx said:

I don't think Roma was the worst choice for a Horseman ever (that goes to Mongo, easily), but it did come out of left field. I think the guy gets more hate than he deserves, but I also don't think he was anything too special. He was a solid worker, but also an unremarkable one.

Well, I will give you that it's a neck and neck thing between him and Mongo. In all fairness, as bad as Roma was, at least he was a wrestler, not a retired football player playing wrestler.

[Chainsaw]

I'm fairly indifferent to Paul Roma.

[Spankymac is sick of the swiss]

thereallybigshow said:

chuckymac314 said:

Point me to a single Roma match where the crowd isn't sitting on their hands that a bigger star isn't involved in, then I'll admit your opinion is a fact. And no, I'm not "trying to seem cool", I'm stating my opinion of Paul's in ring skills, or lack thereof, just like you.

Let's see. How about a chain match he just had this past year in Indiana. A man supposedly a decade past his prime had the audience going crazy. Plus he is still in nearly the same shape.

You make as if you can spot talent. If you are trying to tell me Paul Roma isn't a good worker you are wrong. I don't think you understand, it isn't exactly a matter of opinion. Paul is a great technician with a great mind for ring psychology. There is a reason he joined the horsemen. While the run was lackluster, Paul was a serious wrestler and a genuinely tough guy.

To say he wasn't a good worker shows you don't have an eye for what makes up a good worker.

What makes him a bad worker in your opinion? The fact Flair trashed him? There is a reason he worked in the two biggest promotions for nearly half a decade. He actually was offered a contract again in the late 90's but turned it down.

Dude, I'm sorry, but I have to ask this....are YOU Paul Roma? Because nobody else could possibly give this much of a crap about Paul Roma except Roma himself.

[Mister Yummy]

I joke a bit about Paul Roma sucking, but I just think that's funny. I'm actually a fan of him and his style. Paule Roma seriously is underrated, and let's far more hate than he deserves. The man is what a wrestler should be. He was always in good shape, was a good wrestler and a strong athelete, and he knew how to work an entertaining match. I haven'r seen him wrestle since 1995, so he may not have it anymore, but he definately used to. Now he may not have been as big or had as much charisma as someone like Hogan, and he may not have been the wrestler that Bret Hart and Ric Flair and Chris Jericho are, but he was good, and he may very well still be. If IO were a promoter, I'd book Paul Roma, and if I were a pro wrestler, I'd want to wrestle him.

[Hiroshi Hase]

chuckymac314 said:

thereallybigshow said:

Let's see. How about a chain match he just had this past year in Indiana. A man supposedly a decade past his prime had the audience going crazy. Plus he is still in nearly the same shape.

You make as if you can spot talent. If you are trying to tell me Paul Roma isn't a good worker you are wrong. I don't think you understand, it isn't exactly a matter of opinion. Paul is a great technician with a great mind for ring psychology. There is a reason he joined the horsemen. While the run was lackluster, Paul was a serious wrestler and a genuinely tough guy.

To say he wasn't a good worker shows you don't have an eye for what makes up a good worker.

What makes him a bad worker in your opinion? The fact Flair trashed him? There is a reason he worked in the two biggest promotions for nearly half a decade. He actually was offered a contract again in the late 90's but turned it down.

Dude, I'm sorry, but I have to ask this....are YOU Paul Roma? Because nobody else could possibly give this much of a crap about Paul Roma except Roma himself.

Or maybe that's the guy's opinion of Roma and it doesn't have to be the same as yours.

[Spankymac is sick of the swiss]

yjc1019 said:

chuckymac314 said:

Dude, I'm sorry, but I have to ask this....are YOU Paul Roma? Because nobody else could possibly give this much of a crap about Paul Roma except Roma himself.

Or maybe that's the guy's opinion of Roma and it doesn't have to be the same as yours.

I'm not saying he does, but this dude's presenting his opinion as stone cold FACT, while I've only stated my opinion. Therefore, I'm questioning his motivation in being so damn passionate about a piddly little internet discussion.

[Dr. Marzvon Zombie M.D.]

The hate started in a Kamala squash match against Roma, he no sold Kamala's belly slap. NO ONE AND I MEAN NO ONE, NO SELLS THE BELLY SLAP!!!! ;D

[Joekishi]

chuckymac314 said:

yjc1019 said:

Or maybe that's the guy's opinion of Roma and it doesn't have to be the same as yours.

I'm not saying he does, but this dude's presenting his opinion as stone cold FACT, while I've only stated my opinion. Therefore, I'm questioning his motivation in being so damn passionate about a piddly little internet discussion.

His opinion is different from yours because he's a fan

just like your opinion of bob holly is different than that of many.

I just don't see much justification for the hate even workrate wise he was better than a lot of guys...*ahem z-man*

[thereallybigshow]

I am not Paul Roma. I just think you are skewing history. Paul Roma is a damn good wrestler. I don't know how old you are or how much you really know. I'm just asking you to go back and take a look at his ring work. He is a wrestlers, wrestler. He also has trained some really great talent around here. He's not the greatest of all time obviously. I just think writing him off because it's the cool thing to do is pretty lame.

[Spankymac is sick of the swiss]

thereallybigshow said:

I am not Paul Roma. I just think you are skewing history. Paul Roma is a damn good wrestler. I don't know how old you are or how much you really know. I'm just asking you to go back and take a look at his ring work. He is a wrestlers, wrestler. He also has trained some really great talent around here. He's not the greatest of all time obviously. I just think writing him off because it's the cool thing to do is pretty lame.

I'm almost 20 years old and have pretty much been watching wrestling straight out of the womb, thanks to my cousin being in the business, so I like to think I know a little bit, and Roma just was never that great to me. I saw him in the Horsemen....and he's no Tully Blanchard. I saw him in Pretty Wonderful with Orndorff, and he got carried by a guy a good 4 or 5 years past his prime to make a decent tag team. Maybe he was the star of the Young Stallions, but when you're teaming with Jim Powers, it's hard not to be.

[thereallybigshow]

chuckymac314 said:

thereallybigshow said:

I am not Paul Roma. I just think you are skewing history. Paul Roma is a damn good wrestler. I don't know how old you are or how much you really know. I'm just asking you to go back and take a look at his ring work. He is a wrestlers, wrestler. He also has trained some really great talent around here. He's not the greatest of all time obviously. I just think writing him off because it's the cool thing to do is pretty lame.

I'm almost 20 years old and have pretty much been watching wrestling straight out of the womb, thanks to my cousin being in the business, so I like to think I know a little bit, and Roma just was never that great to me. I saw him in the Horsemen....and he's no Tully Blanchard. I saw him in Pretty Wonderful with Orndorff, and he got carried by a guy a good 4 or 5 years past his prime to make a decent tag team. Maybe he was the star of the Young Stallions, but when you're teaming with Jim Powers, it's hard not to be.

Ok. "almost 20 years old" is not old enough to be comparing Tully Blanchard to anyone. I'll take a guess that somebody said that on the Horsemen DVD

Ok, and you say you saw him with Pretty Wonderful. If you are 20, that means you were born in 1987. You very far under 10 years old when you could have possibly watched ANY Paul Roma matches. I don't think a 7 year old really has an eye for wrestling talent.

It's quite possible you saw Roma on an old tape or maybe a DVD. What Pretty Wonderful matches have ever been released? You are trying to tell me you "remember" Orndorff "carry" Roma. I don't think you do. I think you are making that up.

Is there a "Pretty Wonderful" dvd release?

[Joekishi]

see that's what I'm talking about.

Paul Roma was hardly carried.

It's just the whole RD line of "Paul Roma turning over in his grave" followed by Danny Spivey and Mr. Wonderful and him being grouped with that.

Otherwise he's a pretty damn good wrestler.

[Spankymac is sick of the swiss]

thereallybigshow said:

chuckymac314 said:

I'm almost 20 years old and have pretty much been watching wrestling straight out of the womb, thanks to my cousin being in the business, so I like to think I know a little bit, and Roma just was never that great to me. I saw him in the Horsemen....and he's no Tully Blanchard. I saw him in Pretty Wonderful with Orndorff, and he got carried by a guy a good 4 or 5 years past his prime to make a decent tag team. Maybe he was the star of the Young Stallions, but when you're teaming with Jim Powers, it's hard not to be.

Ok. "almost 20 years old" is not old enough to be comparing Tully Blanchard to anyone. I'll take a guess that somebody said that on the Horsemen DVD

Ok, and you say you saw him with Pretty Wonderful. If you are 20, that means you were born in 1987. You very far under 10 years old when you could have possibly watched ANY Paul Roma matches. I don't think a 7 year old really has an eye for wrestling talent.

It's quite possible you saw Roma on an old tape or maybe a DVD. What Pretty Wonderful matches have ever been released? You are trying to tell me you "remember" Orndorff "carry" Roma. I don't think you do. I think you are making that up.

Is there a "Pretty Wonderful" dvd release?

First off, it may be said on the Horsemen DVD, I don't know. Don't own it. I do own tapes and tapes and tapes dating back to the early 80's with Blanchard matches all over them. And Roma's no Blanchard. And as for my Pretty Wonderful observations, again, tapes and tapes and tapes. Don't bring age into this. That has no bearing on the matter. Thank you for basing my knowledge of the business on my relatively young age, though. Because if I was born before 87, I've never heard of or seen anything from that era.

[Psy]

First off, everyone's opinion is of equal value. We're talking about professional wrestling, not what it was like to grow up in the seventies. So what if someone didn't see a particular wrestler live?... that's what DVDs, VHS, and the internet are for.

Try not to be so condescending and keep it civil and respectful towards eachother, and that goes for everyone.