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Post by thestinger on Nov 3, 2007 9:22:07 GMT -5
I loved the reversal. When my friends and I were eight year old Hulkamaniacs, we worshipped Hogan and Heenan was the devil.
After that Heenan kept pointing out, "I've hated this man for twenty years, I always knew what he was about!" and Hogan totally played into it like, "Say your prayers nothing, I was in it for the money!"
Showing that the Hogan we saw on TV was just a facade, and Heenan knew better than the viewer made wrestling seem well, realER.
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Post by royboy8 on Nov 3, 2007 9:51:53 GMT -5
Heenan always was very skeptical of Hogan. Even when Hogan was at the peak of his baby-kissing, face persona, Heenan still believed that Hogan was no good and a skum(in Kayfabe). So, it made perfect sense for Heenan to doubt Hogan's allegiances in that match.
While it would have made no sense for Heenan to praise Hogan like he was the second coming because of his past feelings...
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Post by skillz on Nov 3, 2007 10:26:31 GMT -5
Heenan didn't ruin the impact of the actual angle, but it was just an ill-timed thing to say when I'm sure he was smart enough to realize what was going to happen, even if he wasn't told beforehand.
It would have been better if no one saw it coming, rather than having the top heel announcer call it 10 seconds before it happened. Heenan should have known better.
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Nov 3, 2007 10:32:44 GMT -5
I don't think Heenan ruined it. Yes in retrospect because we already KNOW Hogan was the 3rd man, it seems like Heenan basically gave away the ending. But at the time when the PPV was being shown live in 1996, nobody ever suspected Hogan was there to turn heel. At that particular time, it seemed obvious that Hogan was there to help the faces. Heenan's comment was pretty much ignored. Of course when you go back and watch knowing going in that Hogan is there to join the Outsiders, it's like "Hey, Heenan was right"
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Post by plushtar on Nov 3, 2007 12:40:06 GMT -5
Heenan mentions this controversy in his book. And of course, he admits to hating Hogan (kayfabe) and was hellbent on making him look bad on commentary. I never saw any fault in Heenan due to the incident.
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Post by thestinger on Nov 3, 2007 12:54:52 GMT -5
It would have been better if no one saw it coming, rather than having the top heel announcer call it 10 seconds before it happened. Heenan should have known better. You said it yourself, he's the top heel announcer of all time, so the wrestling fan had for many years learned to disregard all his comments regarding the top babyface of all time. You're looking back at it now, with the knowledge that Hogan was the the third man. A wrestling fan at the time would likely be thinking, "It's Hulk! The Outsiders are going down! Oh, shut up Heenan! Hey! What the hell's going on?!"
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Post by skillz on Nov 3, 2007 13:49:43 GMT -5
It would have been better if no one saw it coming, rather than having the top heel announcer call it 10 seconds before it happened. Heenan should have known better. You said it yourself, he's the top heel announcer of all time, so the wrestling fan had for many years learned to disregard all his comments regarding the top babyface of all time. You're looking back at it now, with the knowledge that Hogan was the the third man. A wrestling fan at the time would likely be thinking, "It's Hulk! The Outsiders are going down! Oh, shut up Heenan! Hey! What the hell's going on?!" Except in this case Heenan was openly cheering for WCW, the babyfaces. Given that Hogan never dropped a hint about turning against WCW at that point, it made no sense to even insinuate that Hogan was the 3rd man. The way Heenan said it (twice no less) made it seem like there was a question about where Hogan's allegiances were, but that was never part of the storyline. It wasn't like a turn was building (ala the Mega Powers in 88-89, for example). It was out of the blue, and depended on Hogan's explanation afterwards for it to make sense. Did it ruin the surprise for me? No. Did it ruin the surprise for others? Probably. That's the whole point. There were better ways for Heenan to question Hogan's motives without flat out suggesting that Hogan was the 3rd guy. Heenan put the possibility out there for people who may not have expected it in the first place, and that's about the dumbest thing any announcer could do just before a big turn of that magnitude. Again, it didn't hurt anything, as the angle was still shocking and made WCW a shitload of money, but that doesn't mean Heenan was right in what he said.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Nov 3, 2007 13:54:11 GMT -5
You said it yourself, he's the top heel announcer of all time, so the wrestling fan had for many years learned to disregard all his comments regarding the top babyface of all time. You're looking back at it now, with the knowledge that Hogan was the the third man. A wrestling fan at the time would likely be thinking, "It's Hulk! The Outsiders are going down! Oh, shut up Heenan! Hey! What the hell's going on?!" Except in this case Heenan was openly cheering for WCW, the babyfaces. Given that Hogan never dropped a hint about turning against WCW at that point, it made no sense to even insinuate that Hogan was the 3rd man. The way Heenan said it (twice no less) made it seem like there was a question about where Hogan's allegiances were, but that was never part of the storyline. It wasn't like a turn was building (ala the Mega Powers in 88-89, for example). It was out of the blue, and depended on Hogan's explanation afterwards for it to make sense. Did it ruin the surprise for me? No. Did it ruin the surprise for others? Probably. That's the whole point. There were better ways for Heenan to question Hogan's motives without flat out suggesting that Hogan was the 3rd guy. Heenan put the possibility out there for people who may not have expected it in the first place, and that's about the dumbest thing any announcer could do just before a big turn of that magnitude. Again, it didn't hurt anything, as the angle was still shocking and made WCW a crapload of money, but that doesn't mean Heenan was right in what he said. I don't think Hogan had to drop a hint for Heenan to say something about him. He always thought the worst of him no matter what the situation was. Even when the nWo had taken over, he'd sometimes praise Hall,Nash, Syxx on commentary, etc. but would never praise Hogan. Even if Hogan hadn't done anything, Heenan would make a crack about how Hogan ran in at the end when Sting/Savage did all the work and how much of a coward he was.
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