old ecw

[razorman66]

its overrated in my eyes, i mean ppl complain about impact and its run ins, but ecw had em all the time and had some severely wierd crap in there matchs, like refs slamming wrestlers and other nonsense..

[eDemento2099]

Old ECW is not overrated. Most of the actual wrestling from ECW's early days is no worse, if not equal to, the product that WCW and the WWF were putting out at the time (minus production values like enhanced lighting and sound).

Overrated? No.

I think a better phrase to describe ECW in its genesis is "hasn't aged well."

[razorman66]

yes it is the only new stuff ecw really created in my eyes, were the chants and the shoot promos, they borrowed hardcore matchs and everything else from fmw, ecw wasnt that great not at all.

[Johnny]

Hasn't aged well. Pretty much sums it up. Great for its time, still some of the best storylines ever. The in ring product for the most part hasn't aged well.

[Johnny]

razorman66 said:

yes it is only new stuff ecw really created in my eyes were chants and shoot promos, they borrowed hardcore and everything else from fmw, ecw wasnt that great not at all

You know they pretty much admitted that right? They even ran a bunch of shows and talent exchanges with FMW.

[JMA]

There's no such thing as "overrated." For something to be overrated there has to be a proven universal standard to measure the quality of things, which can't be proved either. The only reason the word exists is for a person or persons to explain away the popularity of something they don't like, or understand.

Incidentally, I'm more condemning the word here, rather than defending anything.

["Nature Boy" Ric Moranis]

razorman66 said:

its overrated in my eyes, i mean ppl complain about impact and its run ins, but ecw had em all the time and had some severely wierd crap in there matchs, like refs slamming wrestlers and other nonsense..

This is easy. Paul Heyman developed his booking style working with/under Eddie Gilbert in ECW, NWA/WCW, Alabama (Continental), and most importantly...Memphis.

Eddie Gilbert learned his booking style in Memphis watching Jackie Fargo, Jerry Lawler, Bill Dundee, and...Jerry Jarrett book Memphis since he was a kid and his dad was wrestling/reffing there. Jeff Jarrett and Dutch Mantell (TNA's current bookers) learned under/around the exact same people, and Jeff was around that atmosphere his whole life just like Eddie Gilbert was.

ECW's style of massive run-ins and clusterf***s was TOTAL Memphis-style booking taken up about eight notches, set to cool music, and with grungier, more real-life characters. People loved it, and WWE/WCW copied it, and it changed wrestling.

TNA takes that Heyman/modern Memphis-style of booking and finishes sometimes, and people hate it, and blame Vince Russo, and say "OMG Russo SWERVEZ"...when it's really just stuff you could see on any really great Memphis angle between 1975-88.

To me, that style is outdated, and Heyman did the best at getting it right in the modern age (even better than Vince or WCW did after stealing in the 1990s), but even that's old now.

But it's all the same take on controversial Memphis-style southern "rasslin" that's been done for 30-years (which was modern then. And Memphis practically invented ladder, pole, scaffold matches...not Russo).