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Post by toodarkmark on Nov 14, 2007 16:39:39 GMT -5
Why so? And what era of their booking was the worst?
To me its a toss up between Vince McMahon post 1990 and Ole Anderson in WCW 1990 and 1993.
Ive always found the WWF to be weak, boring, and only entertaining when they are trying to crush competition and McMahon has good gimmicks to rip off like D-X (nWo), Demolition (Road Warriors), Attitude Era (ECW)
Ole had the brilliant ideas of Black Scorpion, Shockmaster, and burying the cruiserweights.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 14, 2007 16:41:48 GMT -5
Ric Flair was a pretty crappy booker.
"Ear... torn off. Yeah, let's not pursue THAT huge pile of money."
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Post by ddt on Nov 14, 2007 16:42:55 GMT -5
I have to call it a tie between the two Vinces. While most would probably say that Russo sucks worse than McMahon, you have to take into account that McMahon has been Wrestecrap for many, many years now; longer than Russo. Russo may have the slight edge in the fact that pretty much everything he did was garbage, but McMahon's long, long, long string of craptacular years (not to mention shoving himself and his family down his viewers' throats) makes it even.
They both suck, plain and simple. And neither one of them seemed to ever give a damn as to what the fans wanted.
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Post by toodarkmark on Nov 14, 2007 16:43:31 GMT -5
Ric Flair was a pretty crappy booker. "Ear... torn off. Yeah, let's not pursue THAT huge pile of money." Was that Flair then? He did bury alot of folks in his time. Although I think he booked NWA in 1989 and that is my favorite era in wrestling ever. Good and bad.
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Post by hollywood on Nov 14, 2007 16:45:15 GMT -5
Without a doubt, Vince Russo. Of all of those listed, no one managed to book a company into oblivion faster.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 14, 2007 17:14:07 GMT -5
Ric Flair was a pretty crappy booker. "Ear... torn off. Yeah, let's not pursue THAT huge pile of money." Was that Flair then? He did bury alot of folks in his time. Although I think he booked NWA in 1989 and that is my favorite era in wrestling ever. Good and bad. It was him alright. Also accused Mick of faking a spine injury. What an ass.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Nov 14, 2007 17:16:47 GMT -5
I'd say it's a toss-up between Kevin Sullivan, Kevin Nash, and Stephanie McMahon.
As much as I love Nash (hey, the dude is funny, charismatic, and could probably talk me into going gay for him in under five minutes), the dude was a horrid booker. WCW was still semi-coherent and interesting in January 1999, but when he took the book a month later, it quickly turned to shit. The only point in late WCW history that was as dreary as the summer of '99 was Kevin Sullivan's three month reign of boredom between the two Russo regimes.
Stephanie's writing team has turned me off of WWE programming completely, especially because it's becoming increasingly apparent that she'll be "head writer" for as long as she wants to be. I really miss the guy who was heading up creative after Russo but before Stephanie, the one who had a huge continuity board to keep track of character relationships.
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Post by Celgress on Nov 14, 2007 17:21:04 GMT -5
No doubt about it Vinny Ru wins this prizes hands down in my book. For incontrovertible evidence I present David Arquette's short lived, but extremely damaging, WCW title run.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 14, 2007 17:39:27 GMT -5
No matter who wins this, it's going to be a number of indy ones in reality.
A ton of them are obscenely nepotistic and terrible.
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Post by The Line on Nov 14, 2007 17:42:16 GMT -5
Rob Black
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Post by Jared Has Been Enlightened :) on Nov 14, 2007 17:49:19 GMT -5
Jim Cornette
Smokey Mountain was embarrassing, and he booked the WWE in it's worse period ever (mid-90's).
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Post by Adam Pacman Khan (akkilla) on Nov 14, 2007 17:57:59 GMT -5
c'mon vinny mac cant be the worst booker, the worst booker was GI bro.
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Post by slasher911 on Nov 14, 2007 18:53:31 GMT -5
Since when the f*** was Vince McMahon a booker? He just has the final say in what happens, he doesn't actually write the s***.
The vote definitely goes to Vince Russo - who, under the supervision of Vince McMahon, actually led the WWF in one of the biggest wrestling booms in history, only to effectively kill the competition himself. His early TNA booking was also bad. Dutch Mantel gets runner-up for stupidity.
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Post by Zane on Nov 14, 2007 18:56:39 GMT -5
No Gabe Sapolsky? Seriously, I don't think anyone is a "bad booker". They just all have different styles.
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Post by Bret Hart Rules on Nov 14, 2007 18:59:34 GMT -5
One of the worst for me is Cowboy Bill Watts who made it a DQ if you threw your opponent over the top rope and banned all top rope moves in WCW. I also find a lot of the guys on the list to be worse in many ways but the fact he changed the rules of things was dumb and annoying.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Nov 14, 2007 19:03:55 GMT -5
One of the worst for me is Cowboy Bill Watts who made it a DQ if you threw your opponent over the top rope and banned all top rope moves in WCW. I also find a lot of the guys on the list to be worse in many ways but the fact he changed the rules of things was dumb and annoying. I think the over the top rule was in effect long before Watts came into power. I hated the off-the-top-rope rule where you'd get DQed, but I still liked WCW at that time as they still managed to have some good matches around that stipulation.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2007 19:50:22 GMT -5
I believe Vince Russo said it himself on WC radio. He's a writer, not a booker. The writer(s) come up with all the storylines, and zany hijinks. The booker decides who works what match, in what spot on the card, who wins, and how he wins. Although, in modern wrestling the lines have blurred.
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Post by royboy8 on Nov 14, 2007 19:52:07 GMT -5
7 of you say VinnyMac is the worst booker? Wow, unreal
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Nov 14, 2007 19:53:17 GMT -5
Can I put in a vote for tnarick?
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Post by eDemento2099 on Nov 14, 2007 21:57:58 GMT -5
Vince McMahon, because he oversaw the InVasion angle (What should have been the most incredible, most lucrative, most idiot-proof angle in the history of wrestler turned out to be its biggest blunder). End of story.
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