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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Nov 20, 2007 13:54:11 GMT -5
I ask this because recently I was watching Wrestlemania 7 again, and I paid attention to the angle after the Warrior/Savage match. I think that that's as deep and emotionally powerful as wrestling's gotten (unless you want to count that thing with Archie Gould and his kayfabe son), but that occured AFTER the bell rang ending the match.
What I'm saying is, I think you've got a set limit on the emotions you can convey during the actual body of a wrestling match itself, which for me would put it a few notches lower than cinema or music as far as expression. Outside of anger, desire/passion and lust if you're watching women's wrestling, what've we got?
Hence why I don't rate anything or recommend anything specific when I'm introducing someone to wrestling- I just tell them, "there's something in it for everyone", whether it's the technical stuff, brawling/power, aerial, promos, goofy angles or whatever.
Keep in mind that this isn't meant to bash anyone who does give out stars or minds crtics that do, I just wanted to throw my thoughts out.
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Post by Arthur Digby Stamp on Nov 20, 2007 13:58:48 GMT -5
That reminds me of Mick Foley's original idea for the Royal Rumble match against The Rock.
That had the potential to be one of the most emotional moments in history if it had gone as planned.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Nov 20, 2007 14:01:26 GMT -5
That reminds me of Mick Foley's original idea for the Royal Rumble match against The Rock. That had the potential to be one of the most emotional moments in history if it had gone as planned. What was the idea? |
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Post by AriadosMan on Nov 20, 2007 14:01:38 GMT -5
Star ratings and technical expertise matter less than the sense of feeling and emotion in the match. If a match is booked as a true contest, it will always be more interesting than a "X Gets Jobbed to Y" or "Random Run-In" type of match.
That said, I like as much match time on any given show as possible.
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Post by Arthur Digby Stamp on Nov 20, 2007 14:08:10 GMT -5
That reminds me of Mick Foley's original idea for the Royal Rumble match against The Rock. That had the potential to be one of the most emotional moments in history if it had gone as planned. What was the idea? Well I don't know if you ever saw their I Quit match and just how violent it was, but the initial idea was to have his wife sitting ringside for the match, and they'd end up having a camera near her to film her reaction to all the stuff that was going on (She was in on it too). Mankind would refuse to quit to The Rock, until he saw his wife in tears over the brutal beating he was receiving. So he'd end up quitting just to spare her from having to watch him get destroyed. They ended up using a similar idea with the match against Flair, actually. It just didn't have the same emotion behind it that the original idea had. |
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Nov 20, 2007 14:11:31 GMT -5
Well I don't know if you ever saw their I Quit match and just how violent it was, but the initial idea was to have his wife sitting ringside for the match, and they'd end up having a camera near her to film her reaction to all the stuff that was going on (She was in on it too). Mankind would refuse to quit to The Rock, until he saw his wife in tears over the brutal beating he was receiving. So he'd end up quitting just to spare her from having to watch him get destroyed. They ended up using a similar idea with the match against Flair, actually. It just didn't have the same emotion behind it that the original idea had. Actually, that wasn't Foley's idea, that was Vince's, or someone else's, maybe Russo's, because Foley said "If I gave up from that beating because Collette begged me to, I'd be the second biggest heel in the company, and Collette would be the first." |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Nov 20, 2007 14:11:48 GMT -5
Well I don't know if you ever saw their I Quit match and just how violent it was, but the initial idea was to have his wife sitting ringside for the match, and they'd end up having a camera near her to film her reaction to all the stuff that was going on (She was in on it too). Mankind would refuse to quit to The Rock, until he saw his wife in tears over the brutal beating he was receiving. So he'd end up quitting just to spare her from having to watch him get destroyed. They ended up using a similar idea with the match against Flair, actually. It just didn't have the same emotion behind it that the original idea had. Hmm. I guess that would have debunked my theory. Sort of reminds me of the way Bret Hart/Bob Backlund was booked- even though it was revealed that Owen was faking his concern. |
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Post by Bishblast on Nov 20, 2007 14:15:18 GMT -5
This is they way I look at it:
As the OP said, "there's something in it for everyone," and it's true. I, for one, am someone who reads reviews and wants tips on what to watch or what to look out for. So I often take star grades *kinda* seriously, but that is only because I am a very critical person. To me, things have to be compared, unless something is so awesome or unique that it bears to comparison to anything.
There is so much wrestling, music, movies, etc. out there that it's really hard for the average person to find something that they'd truly like in each field of interest. That is why star ratings, or more to a base point, critics and criticism exists; to help those out in decision making.
I can see how some could look at a critic's review of something and see it as the critic trying to dictate what his readers watch or listen to, but that's not the way I see it.
I see Star Ratings as a great aide in helping me find what I want to see.
On a side note, it doesn't necessarily mean that I agree with the star rating SYSTEM. I've seen 3 star matches that I've liked more than 4 star matches, as most everyone else is. So there is an element of "deciding for one's self" in the whole concept.
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Post by Arthur Digby Stamp on Nov 20, 2007 14:18:33 GMT -5
Well I don't know if you ever saw their I Quit match and just how violent it was, but the initial idea was to have his wife sitting ringside for the match, and they'd end up having a camera near her to film her reaction to all the stuff that was going on (She was in on it too). Mankind would refuse to quit to The Rock, until he saw his wife in tears over the brutal beating he was receiving. So he'd end up quitting just to spare her from having to watch him get destroyed. They ended up using a similar idea with the match against Flair, actually. It just didn't have the same emotion behind it that the original idea had. Actually, that wasn't Foley's idea, that was Vince's, or someone else's, maybe Russo's, because Foley said "If I gave up from that beating because Collette begged me to, I'd be the second biggest heel in the company, and Collette would be the first." I remember that line, but I also remember that Foley was disappointed that the ending of the match got changed. Didn't he write that he wanted a clear winner and loser, rather then the "screwjob" outcome that ended up happening? If it wasn't his idea initially, he was definitely on board with it by the time it was changed, I thought. |
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Nov 20, 2007 14:22:36 GMT -5
Actually, that wasn't Foley's idea, that was Vince's, or someone else's, maybe Russo's, because Foley said "If I gave up from that beating because Collette begged me to, I'd be the second biggest heel in the company, and Collette would be the first." I remember that line, but I also remember that Foley was disappointed that the ending of the match got changed. Didn't he write that he wanted a clear winner and loser, rather then the "screwjob" outcome that ended up happening? If it wasn't his idea initially, he was definitely on board with it by the time it was changed, I thought. I'm not 100% sure, I'd have to read the book again, honestly. Hell, I may be getting a couple of my facts confused with the Last Man Standing match that happened the next month. |
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Nov 20, 2007 14:29:57 GMT -5
I also don't know why people put such credence in star ratings as they are subjective.
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Post by Dr. Marzvon Zombie M.D. on Nov 20, 2007 17:20:08 GMT -5
I also don't know why people put such credence in star ratings as they are subjective. exactly, star ratings are the biggest waste to me, because everyone will say this match sucks but to someone else it could be 5 stars. |
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