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Post by Joekishi on Nov 29, 2007 15:57:20 GMT -5
That's just my question, people seem to think I only buy WWE guys as main eventers I don't.
I only buy a guy as a main event if he's got something I don't know what it's called.
HBK, Hogan, Hart, Austin, Rock, Goldberg all had it.
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Post by thestinger on Nov 29, 2007 16:11:52 GMT -5
It doesn't seem like there's a 'definition' of main event guy that everyone can agree on.
There's guys like Michaels and Jarrett that no matter how many times they main event, fans are still sharply divided over whether they belong there.
And then there are guys like Flair (in his prime), Bret Hart and Hogan that pretty much everyone accepts belong there.
Then there's guys like Sid and the Warrior, who other wrestlers feel never belonged there, but fans just seem to accept regardless of their limitations.
I just shrug and say it's different for everyone.
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 29, 2007 16:13:11 GMT -5
It doesn't seem like there's a 'definition' of main event guy that everyone can agree on. There's guys like Michaels and Jarrett that no matter how many times they main event, fans are still sharply divided over whether they belong there. See the only one debating that is you. HBK really does belong in the main event, his overnness and well him being one of the best explains that. If you're using you're criteria. HBK, Hart, and Jarrett would all be in the same camp. |
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Post by thestinger on Nov 29, 2007 16:16:31 GMT -5
See the only one debating that is you. HBK really does belong in the main event, Not true. Fans are sharply divided. I remember when we did a thread called '25 best wrestlers of all time' that went on for like 12 pages. After it was done, I went through and noticed a funny trend. Michaels either appeared in the top 3, or didn't appear on the list at all. I know lot's of guys who think he got where he did because of his relationship with Vince. And I also know a guy who thinks he's the best. It's controversial. I'm not about to claim there's only one guywho thinks Jarrett doesn't belong in the main events. Since joining this board, I've even heard a few people say Sting didn't deserve to be there. I read one guy say that about Angle. You're trying to make it seem like everyone agrees on who is a 'main event' guy and who isn't. |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Nov 29, 2007 16:18:07 GMT -5
I think crowd response and merchandise sales are some of the biggest tells of main event potential, as crass as that sounds.
An ability to have exciting matches with a wide variety of wrestlers would come in second.
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Nov 29, 2007 16:22:31 GMT -5
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 29, 2007 16:23:33 GMT -5
Oh I know I just like being a jerk and overgeneralising
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Post by thestinger on Nov 29, 2007 16:23:53 GMT -5
I think crowd response and merchandise sales are some of the biggest tells of main event potential, as crass as that sounds. An ability to have exciting matches with a wide variety of wrestlers would come in second. And if a guy is good enough at the first one, like Hogan, he doesn't need the second one at all. Rock is that category too. He was a good wrestler, but he didn't have to be. He sold so much merchandise that he would have been headlining ppvs even if he were worse than Sid. |
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 29, 2007 16:37:23 GMT -5
Sid did headline PPV's though
I LOVED SID
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Post by slasher911 on Nov 29, 2007 22:00:09 GMT -5
Eh, Michaels is a weird one. Most people I know (and I'm talking like 95% of them) agree he should be in the main-event scene, but not necessarily carrying the company. He's amazing in the spotlight, but could go either way with him being the #1 guy.
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Post by YouStayClassy on Nov 29, 2007 23:05:49 GMT -5
The ability to marry the boss's daughter.
Co-founding and being Vice President of your own company.
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Post by AriadosMan on Nov 29, 2007 23:14:22 GMT -5
I think crowd response and merchandise sales are some of the biggest tells of main event potential, as crass as that sounds. An ability to have exciting matches with a wide variety of wrestlers would come in second. QFT, I agree totally. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 29, 2007 23:33:29 GMT -5
Sid did headline PPV's though I LOVED SID True, true. He did get lots of crowd reaction. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 29, 2007 23:34:38 GMT -5
Cena's someone that got hotshotted a little to the top, but instead of crumbling under the weight, he really did grow as a champion and main eventer. I'd say he deserves the distinction of being a main eventer, easily.
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Nov 30, 2007 1:10:59 GMT -5
Charisma. It's the ability to make the audience give a damn about you and what you're doing. On the list of "greatest wrestlers ever", Dan Severn should be head-and-shoulders above less skilled wrestlers like Hogan and Jerry Lawler, but Lawler sold out the Memphis arenas for years and Severn couldn't sell out a phone booth. That's because Lawler was a master at telling the story of the match and involving the audience.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 30, 2007 1:20:47 GMT -5
Charisma. It's the ability to make the audience give a damn about you and what you're doing. On the list of "greatest wrestlers ever", Dan Severn should be head-and-shoulders above less skilled wrestlers like Hogan and Jerry Lawler, but Lawler sold out the Memphis arenas for years and Severn couldn't sell out a phone booth. That's because Lawler was a master at telling the story of the match and involving the audience. Severn was good at MMA, but not really a very good wrestler. |
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Post by britishbulldog on Nov 30, 2007 11:57:43 GMT -5
Being the last match on a card
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Nov 30, 2007 12:03:38 GMT -5
Cena's someone that got hotshotted a little to the top, but instead of crumbling under the weight, he really did grow as a champion and main eventer. I'd say he deserves the distinction of being a main eventer, easily. When I realized around October/November of 04 that Cena was going to the top of the card, I was miffed that it wasn't Eddie Guerrero getting the push, but then Cena took the bull by the horns. I would qualify him as a freak accident, and that the approach the WWE took with him shouldn't be regularly utilized as far as making a main eventer as opposed to a slow build. |
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Post by sexualvanilla on Nov 30, 2007 12:04:26 GMT -5
It's basically if a guy can draw money. A guy who can make the fans are about him in whatever he's doing and make them wanna pay to either a) see him get his ass kicked or b) pay to see him kick someone's ass is a main event guy. Since wrestling's "fake" a main eventer isn't the guy who wins the most; who draws is really the only way to know. It's why guys like Hogan and Austin are so renowned and the Malenkos and Benoits of the world aren't (though the latter is a much different reason)
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 30, 2007 14:08:15 GMT -5
I remember having that PWI where Dean was rated number 1, over the likes of HBK, Bret Hart, Stone Cold, Hogan, and Luger.
i was shocked.
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