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Post by poi zen rana on Nov 28, 2007 10:01:49 GMT -5
Alvarez has actually wrestled matches before and has trained......I'm sure you know more about the business than he does. Inspite of his sources, all the wrestlers he knows, actually being in a ring and all of that. I think Bryan is pretty funny personally, his Raw recaps for the freeloaders on F4W amuse me to no end. He says what he thinks is bad, it's not like he never rips on the WWE. i don't think people here are implying they know more about wrestling than mr. alvarez. what they are doing however is saying they know more about some of the things he reports on (tna's current product) than he does. he can know all the wrestlers he wants and train his heart out but if every report he gives on tna features primarily opinions and is backed up with facts that are untrue, he will still have very little credibility. it would be ok if he messed up things here and there, but it seems most reports feature some falsities. i personally don't care if he treats the wwe the same way, to me that just means he is across the board a bad journalist.
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Post by Mecca on Nov 28, 2007 10:15:57 GMT -5
Point out to me what he is saying about TNA that is so ridiculous....I watch TNA and there are several things that I immediatly could jump up and down about them doing being really dumb.
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Post by Red Impact on Nov 28, 2007 10:17:00 GMT -5
I don't claim to know more about wrestling than him, I just think the editorializing makes him sound ridiculous.
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Post by Chainsaw on Nov 28, 2007 10:31:31 GMT -5
Figure Four should just print the following. It would save a hell of a lot of ink, paper, and sever space: "We hate TNA. We hate TNA with every fiber of our being. No matter what they do, it will be wrong. They could put the belt on someone shocking - Samoa Joe, Bryan Danielson, Hiroshi Tanahashi, Jesus himself - and we would still call them retarded morons. And the fans... don't get us started on the fans. Remember that episode of Futurama where the flying brains made everyone stupid? TNA are those brains, and Vince Russo is the big brain hiding out in the library. Simply put, we can't wait for TNA to go out of business. Sure, several people will lose their jobs and the WWE will be the only game in town (again), but it's not like it's our faults. We'll be to busy cheering - and watching the obviously superior UFC - to care." Yup. Alvarez editorialises far too much for my liking, especially in a news and notes column... should be retitled "News and Notes and My Opinions Reported as Fact". The upside is, he does it so blatantly, that it's easy to see it coming. It's not mixed in cleverly to the actual story. The only straight thing he said that was reporting was him saying Consequences Creed signed with TNA. At least he got that out of the way first.
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Post by Chainsaw on Nov 28, 2007 10:34:06 GMT -5
This is what happens when you run out of news to report, but are still obligated to crank out a weekly newsletter. To answer PoisonRana: Even though there are only 3 Pole Matches in late 1999/2000 WCW I can think of (Pinata, Viagra and the San Francisco 49er Match), it is the popular opinion that Vince Russo loves pole matches and will do anything within his power to have a pole match every week. So...Vince Russo likes poles?
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Post by poi zen rana on Nov 28, 2007 10:37:20 GMT -5
Point out to me what he is saying about TNA that is so ridiculous....I watch TNA and there are several things that I immediatly could jump up and down about them doing being really dumb. from this article of his? i will go with the fact that he doesn't even know the main event of the pay per view he is supposed to be writing about. he claims it is the four pole match which it isn't. had he been watching tna recently it would be abundantly clear what the main event is scheduled to be. on top of that he says the match is ridiculous and makes the belts look weak because they are giving people an open chance to win them. if i believed that way i would have to complain every time a royal rumble goes on. i would have to complain any year king of the ring is featured. i would have to complain about younger talent that they are trying to move up the card winning an opportunity for a title shot. i won't complain about any of those things because i enjoy them. i see nothing wrong with having a match where primarily undercard guys are put in a situation to elevate their standings in the company. that is what i find silly about this report. for some reason i fail to see giving younger guys a chance at moving up the card is as stupid as he claims it is. then again i can actually watch impact and understand what is going on, which he seems to have no end of troubles with. i guess that is what makes him a pro.
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Post by AriadosMan on Nov 28, 2007 10:40:43 GMT -5
TNA should really try to move away from stupid random gimmick matches, they've got better things going for them now.
Like the Consequences Creed signing, now Truth & Consequences can be a tag team.
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Post by Mecca on Nov 28, 2007 10:46:36 GMT -5
Point out to me what he is saying about TNA that is so ridiculous....I watch TNA and there are several things that I immediatly could jump up and down about them doing being really dumb. from this article of his? i will go with the fact that he doesn't even know the main event of the pay per view he is supposed to be writing about. he claims it is the four pole match which it isn't. had he been watching tna recently it would be abundantly clear what the main event is scheduled to be. on top of that he says the match is ridiculous and makes the belts look weak because they are giving people an open chance to win them. if i believed that way i would have to complain every time a royal rumble goes on. i would have to complain any year king of the ring is featured. i would have to complain about younger talent that they are trying to move up the card winning an opportunity for a title shot. i won't complain about any of those things because i enjoy them. i see nothing wrong with having a match where primarily undercard guys are put in a situation to elevate their standings in the company. that is what i find silly about this report. for some reason i fail to see giving younger guys a chance at moving up the card is as stupid as he claims it is. then again i can actually watch impact and understand what is going on, which he seems to have no end of troubles with. i guess that is what makes him a pro. I think he's more ripping into it for being a stupid gimmick match...something TNA is doing way to many of. Something Russo is pretty much noted for doing way to many of. I mean there are plenty of other things he could bust on TNA for but what do you want him to say? That all you need in TNA to get a big push is to have been someone in wrestling in the year 2000? That one is true but everyone knows that one already.
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Post by Chainsaw on Nov 28, 2007 10:49:32 GMT -5
from this article of his? i will go with the fact that he doesn't even know the main event of the pay per view he is supposed to be writing about. he claims it is the four pole match which it isn't. had he been watching tna recently it would be abundantly clear what the main event is scheduled to be. on top of that he says the match is ridiculous and makes the belts look weak because they are giving people an open chance to win them. if i believed that way i would have to complain every time a royal rumble goes on. i would have to complain any year king of the ring is featured. i would have to complain about younger talent that they are trying to move up the card winning an opportunity for a title shot. i won't complain about any of those things because i enjoy them. i see nothing wrong with having a match where primarily undercard guys are put in a situation to elevate their standings in the company. that is what i find silly about this report. for some reason i fail to see giving younger guys a chance at moving up the card is as stupid as he claims it is. then again i can actually watch impact and understand what is going on, which he seems to have no end of troubles with. i guess that is what makes him a pro. I think he's more ripping into it for being a stupid gimmick match...something TNA is doing way to many of. Something Russo is pretty much noted for doing way to many of. I mean there are plenty of other things he could bust on TNA for but what do you want him to say? That all you need in TNA to get a big push is to have been someone in wrestling in the year 2000? That one is true but everyone knows that one already. I do agree with you on the gimmick matches, but the upside is most of them don't turn out to be terrible. The concept is lame, but it also puts some mystery into the match. But most gimmick matches work better when there's actual impetus behind them, not just a random "We're going to throw 4 wrestlers in the ring and one could get a shot, one could get fired" concept.
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 28, 2007 10:57:50 GMT -5
the whole concept of "objective reporting" in pro wrestling is stupid. IT's not legit, it's the same thing as going to perez hilton or tmz.
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Post by poi zen rana on Nov 28, 2007 11:14:36 GMT -5
from this article of his? i will go with the fact that he doesn't even know the main event of the pay per view he is supposed to be writing about. he claims it is the four pole match which it isn't. had he been watching tna recently it would be abundantly clear what the main event is scheduled to be. on top of that he says the match is ridiculous and makes the belts look weak because they are giving people an open chance to win them. if i believed that way i would have to complain every time a royal rumble goes on. i would have to complain any year king of the ring is featured. i would have to complain about younger talent that they are trying to move up the card winning an opportunity for a title shot. i won't complain about any of those things because i enjoy them. i see nothing wrong with having a match where primarily undercard guys are put in a situation to elevate their standings in the company. that is what i find silly about this report. for some reason i fail to see giving younger guys a chance at moving up the card is as stupid as he claims it is. then again i can actually watch impact and understand what is going on, which he seems to have no end of troubles with. i guess that is what makes him a pro. I think he's more ripping into it for being a stupid gimmick match...something TNA is doing way to many of. Something Russo is pretty much noted for doing way to many of. I mean there are plenty of other things he could bust on TNA for but what do you want him to say? That all you need in TNA to get a big push is to have been someone in wrestling in the year 2000? That one is true but everyone knows that one already. he is ripping on it for the gimmick being weird but he is mostly ripping on the idea of opportunities being given out which i do not agree is a bad thing. tna does quite a few gimmick matches but most of the time it is for really undercard matches that are hardly the selling point of the pay per view any way. they do well to supplement the card in my book. of course if i didn't watch tna and only read reports from people like this i would assume it is much worse and would probably never give tna a chance. i want him to actually know his facts if he is going to do nothing but run a company down. funny that you say anyone who wrestled in 2000 gets a big push. might want to bring that one up with test. you know, the guy who came in had one match gathered lots of heat and was let go citing his steroid past. or maybe you should tell that one to rikishi who came in and was used as an accessory in the background of a big feud and then felt he was worth more money and was released. or maybe you are insinuating that because they push christian cage, kurt angle and booker t that they must only do it because of their past. that is true if you ignore how they are all still on top of their game and are very good performers. maybe you mean team 3d, the legendary tag team who do very little these days besides put over home grown talent. besides wwe loves to push anyone big from that era as well. undertaker, shawn michaels, hhh, ric flair, and y2j are all at the top of the card currently in the wwe. so your point is?
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Post by hollywood on Nov 28, 2007 11:43:34 GMT -5
Geezuss.
I'm a bit late to this, but that was a harsh editorial.
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Post by thestinger on Nov 28, 2007 11:46:13 GMT -5
Even this is nowhere near as bad as the post where this guy rambled for pages about TNA and almost everything he said was wrong.
Remember the WWE storyline where Vince was being sued for child support, but the supeona didn't identify the mother or his child, which later turned out to be an adult? Well it HAD to be that way so stop complaining.
Also remember the TNA storyline where Kurt chained up Sting and had his wife slap him a ton of times? And then Sting got a court order barring Karen from being within 50 feet of him so she couldn't interfere in the upcoming title match? Well that made no sense because Bryan didn't watch the impact where Kurt and Karen attacked Sting.
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Post by hollywood on Nov 28, 2007 11:52:51 GMT -5
Even this is nowhere near as bad as the post where this guy rambled for pages about TNA and almost everything he said was wrong. Remember the WWE storyline where Vince was being sued for child support, but the supeona didn't identify the mother or his child, which later turned out to be an adult? Well it HAD to be that way so stop complaining. Also remember the TNA storyline where Kurt chained up Sting and had his wife slap him a ton of times? And then Sting got a court order barring Karen from being within 50 feet of him so she couldn't interfere in the upcoming title match? Well that made no sense because Bryan didn't watch the impact where Kurt and Karen attacked Sting. I don't like the match either, but damn. I guess the reporter side of me just gets annoyed with guys that add their smarmy comments to their NEWZ, even in the times that I may agree.
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Post by thestinger on Nov 28, 2007 12:11:01 GMT -5
I don't like the match either, but damn. I guess the reporter side of me just gets annoyed with guys that add their smarmy comments to their NEWZ, even in the times that I may agree. It sounds like a dumb gimmick to me to, but all his criticism becomes invalid once he claims this pole match is the main event of the PPV. TNA revealed the main even on their FIRST SHOW after the last PPV! It's the Angle Alliance versus nW Joe. So even when he makes a decent point, he then makes himself look like a total idiot afterwards. So am I to assume that he hasn't watched one either of the last two impacts?
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Post by icansleep on Nov 28, 2007 12:15:41 GMT -5
I just wish they'd leave TNA alone. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all!
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Post by Dragonfly on Nov 28, 2007 12:25:19 GMT -5
Why does he automatically assume that the wrestler will open the briefcase immediately after obtaining it? Matches like this usually don't work that way. The payoff comes (or should come, at any rate) at the end, when all four open them up at the same time.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Nov 28, 2007 12:30:27 GMT -5
I love how people are writing off a match...where the CONTENDERSHIP OF EVERY TITLE IN THE PROMOTION IS BEING DECIDED AS WELL AS ONE PERSON'S CAREER...as a filler match. Sorry, but that's not the definition of a filler match.
And maybe Alvarez is being a bit hard on TNA, but you know what? If this board is allowed to be hard on WWE and then praise TNA for everything they do, then we have no standing. And yes, I agree that there shouldn't be editorial comments in Newz because I get annoyed when the same thing happens in spoilers and WWE news.
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Post by poi zen rana on Nov 28, 2007 12:34:17 GMT -5
I love how people are writing off a match...where the CONTENDERSHIP OF EVERY TITLE IN THE PROMOTION IS BEING DECIDED AS WELL AS ONE PERSON'S CAREER...as a filler match. Sorry, but that's not the definition of a filler match. And maybe Alvarez is being a bit hard on TNA, but you know what? If this board is allowed to be hard on WWE and then praise TNA for everything they do, then we have no standing. And yes, I agree that there shouldn't be editorial comments in Newz because I get annoyed when the same thing happens in spoilers and WWE news. what if it isn't a filler match? perhaps they are using this match to set up something, much the way they elevated kaz's career recently with the fftr, which if i recall people complained about that as well. even if it is a filler match, i don't think adding incentive for going for the titles makes the match worse. i personally don't think this board is pro tna and anti wwe at all. that is just my perception.
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Post by KEJB on Nov 28, 2007 12:36:52 GMT -5
I honestly couldnt care less about what these guys have to say. TNA is dope right now. Kurt Angle being a little bit crazy in the head is nothing new. Oh well, TNA has Deathbed-WCW-Esque matches. WWE has midgets who can run through a spray painted door in the wall. Yes, becuase TNA has clean hands in that respect. You know, if you overlook such things as the midget in a trashcan and other random crap they pulled over they years. In a 5 year or so span, they've had plenty of their share. A 5 minute segment doesn't define an entire show. TNA's been pretty good, but if they want to try to compare shows, they've already lost. They should just focus on their product, instead of appearing petty. No shit, TNA has had some off the wall stuff. But what they dont do is dis-associate from reality. I am sorry but no, Undertaker can not shoot lightning bolts inside of the arena, no god wont shoot a lightning bolt at the ring, and no midgets cannot paint a door on a wall, and walk through it. WWE's flagship show, RAW, is a joke. TNA Impact, is 10 times a better wrestling program. So I do not see how they have lost. They stopped all the petty bs, complaining about WWE, at least 6 months ago. In the last couple months, they have been putting on shows that blow WWE out of the water. I wonder if you are in the same boat as Alvarez, making comments that dont pan out, because you do not watch the show on the regular?? The fact is TNA is focusing on their product, and it shows, because it is a better show. TNA bashing is the easy thing to do though for these NEWZ guys, because a lot of fan boys will buy it like its gospel.
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