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Post by Ace Diamond on Nov 28, 2007 12:37:37 GMT -5
I love how people are writing off a match...where the CONTENDERSHIP OF EVERY TITLE IN THE PROMOTION IS BEING DECIDED AS WELL AS ONE PERSON'S CAREER...as a filler match. Sorry, but that's not the definition of a filler match. And maybe Alvarez is being a bit hard on TNA, but you know what? If this board is allowed to be hard on WWE and then praise TNA for everything they do, then we have no standing. And yes, I agree that there shouldn't be editorial comments in Newz because I get annoyed when the same thing happens in spoilers and WWE news. what if it isn't a filler match? perhaps they are using this match to set up something, much the way they elevated kaz's career recently with the fftr, which if i recall people complained about that as well. even if it is a filler match, i don't think adding incentive for going the titles makes the match worse. i personally don't think this board is pro tna and anti wwe at all. that is just my perception. I will point out that there is a lot more outright complaining and hatred in the WWE show threads than there are in TNA ones. And It's not a filler match, which is what I'm trying to say. And I'll be honest, the only reason the FFTR worked right is because they took 2 stupid ideas (moving Joe further away from the title, Having to re-do the finals) and it somehow worked because Kaz proved he was ready to step into the spotlight. TNA really sometimes relies on sheer luck it seems, but then again that's kind of true of any promotion.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Nov 28, 2007 12:38:08 GMT -5
Yes, becuase TNA has clean hands in that respect. You know, if you overlook such things as the midget in a trashcan and other random crap they pulled over they years. In a 5 year or so span, they've had plenty of their share. A 5 minute segment doesn't define an entire show. TNA's been pretty good, but if they want to try to compare shows, they've already lost. They should just focus on their product, instead of appearing petty. No crap, TNA has had some off the wall stuff. But what they dont do is dis-associate from reality. I am sorry but no, Undertaker can not shoot lightning bolts inside of the arena, no god wont shoot a lightning bolt at the ring, and no midgets cannot paint a door on a wall, and walk through it. WWE's flagship show, RAW, is a joke. TNA Impact, is 10 times a better wrestling program. So I do not see how they have lost. They stopped all the petty bs, complaining about WWE, at least 6 months ago. In the last couple months, they have been putting on shows that blow WWE out of the water. I wonder if you are in the same boat as Alvarez, making comments that dont pan out, because you do not watch the show on the regular?? The fact is TNA is focusing on their product, and it shows, because it is a better show. TNA bashing is the easy thing to do though for these NEWZ guys, because a lot of fan boys will buy it like its gospel. *ahem* FROM THE DEPTHS OF HELL...JUDAS...MESIAS!!! oh and lets not forget the effects show they had going in on the last rites match. Or if I really want to take you to task, how about the amazing "electrified" netting they used for that "electrified" six sides of steel match between 3D and LAX? Hmm? HMMMMM? TNA dissociates in its own way. The things you mentioned? The WWF/E has always done in some form or another, they've always wanted to make things seem a bit larger than life or just a bit like a comic book (usually backstage moreso than in the ring). TNA...they try to pass things off as SERIOUS BUSINESS
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Post by KEJB on Nov 28, 2007 12:40:32 GMT -5
No crap, TNA has had some off the wall stuff. But what they dont do is dis-associate from reality. I am sorry but no, Undertaker can not shoot lightning bolts inside of the arena, no god wont shoot a lightning bolt at the ring, and no midgets cannot paint a door on a wall, and walk through it. WWE's flagship show, RAW, is a joke. TNA Impact, is 10 times a better wrestling program. So I do not see how they have lost. They stopped all the petty bs, complaining about WWE, at least 6 months ago. In the last couple months, they have been putting on shows that blow WWE out of the water. I wonder if you are in the same boat as Alvarez, making comments that dont pan out, because you do not watch the show on the regular?? The fact is TNA is focusing on their product, and it shows, because it is a better show. TNA bashing is the easy thing to do though for these NEWZ guys, because a lot of fan boys will buy it like its gospel. *ahem* FROM THE DEPTHS OF HELL...JUDAS...MESIAS!!! He climbed through the ring......where did he do anything that isnt humanly possible? His billed hometown?? And to your above post. Of course more people bash WWE. There are 5 x more people from WC watching WWE, than there are watching Impact.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Nov 28, 2007 12:45:24 GMT -5
*ahem* FROM THE DEPTHS OF HELL...JUDAS...MESIAS!!! He climbed through the ring......where did he do anything that isnt humanly possible? His billed hometown?? And to your above post. Of course more people bash WWE. There are 5 x more people from WC watching WWE, than there are watching Impact. Yeah well, I added more stuff.
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Post by poi zen rana on Nov 28, 2007 12:49:07 GMT -5
what if it isn't a filler match? perhaps they are using this match to set up something, much the way they elevated kaz's career recently with the fftr, which if i recall people complained about that as well. even if it is a filler match, i don't think adding incentive for going the titles makes the match worse. i personally don't think this board is pro tna and anti wwe at all. that is just my perception. I will point out that there is a lot more outright complaining and hatred in the WWE show threads than there are in TNA ones. And It's not a filler match, which is what I'm trying to say. And I'll be honest, the only reason the FFTR worked right is because they took 2 stupid ideas (moving Joe further away from the title, Having to re-do the finals) and it somehow worked because Kaz proved he was ready to step into the spotlight. TNA really sometimes relies on sheer luck it seems, but then again that's kind of true of any promotion. i don't think the bashing in shows threads is any indication. the tna bashers don't watch tna, so they have no need to go to the show threads. they show up after the fact and try to take cuts at tna using points they hear from reports like this one. just because they don't watch the show to complain about everything doesn't mean they accept it more. sorry, but kaz proving he was ready to step into the spotlight was not sheer luck. that was the plan behind the whole thing. you act as though wrestling is real and it only worked for them because kaz surprised everyone by winning. no. they knew going into the tournament that kaz was going to win. they set up an inconspicuous match with title match implications just like they are doing this time and used it to push someone the fans love further up the card. i don't think that is pointless and it is a good idea in my book. this match can be used to totally shake up the title scene in tna and provide new challengers and build up to some good feuds. i am for it.
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Post by KEJB on Nov 28, 2007 12:49:38 GMT -5
Oh man. Of course its not going to be real electricity on the cage. But ya know what? It is possible that a cage can be electrified isnt it? Wrestling isnt real. It portrays realism. I am not going to argue with you on this.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Nov 28, 2007 12:51:50 GMT -5
I will point out that there is a lot more outright complaining and hatred in the WWE show threads than there are in TNA ones. And It's not a filler match, which is what I'm trying to say. And I'll be honest, the only reason the FFTR worked right is because they took 2 stupid ideas (moving Joe further away from the title, Having to re-do the finals) and it somehow worked because Kaz proved he was ready to step into the spotlight. TNA really sometimes relies on sheer luck it seems, but then again that's kind of true of any promotion. i don't think the bashing in shows threads is any indication. the tna bashers don't watch tna, so they have no need to go to the show threads. they show up after the fact and try to take cuts at tna using points they hear from reports like this one. just because they don't watch the show to complain about everything doesn't mean they accept it more. sorry, but kaz proving he was ready to step into the spotlight was not sheer luck. that was the plan behind the whole thing. you act as though wrestling is real and it only worked for them because kaz surprised everyone by winning. no. they knew going into the tournament that kaz was going to win. they set up an inconspicuous match with title match implications just like they are doing this time and used it to push someone the fans love further up the card. i don't think that is pointless and it is a good idea in my book. this match can be used to totally shake up the title scene in tna and provide new challengers and build up to some good feuds. i am for it. I meant that Kaz who's talents were being wasted going nowhere was finally booked somewhere he could show that he was main event material, which he did. Don't act like sometimes people that are booked to win don't live up to the booker's expectations. I know they booked Kaz to win the whole thing, but up until that point just watching the tournament I couldn't for the life of me figure out why anything that was going on was a good idea, like Robert Roode and Joe suddenly feuding But hey what the smurf do I know, I think wrestling is real
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Post by Ace Diamond on Nov 28, 2007 12:52:21 GMT -5
Oh man. Of course its not going to be real electricity on the cage. But ya know what? It is possible that a cage can be electrified isnt it? Wrestling isnt real. It portrays realism. I am not going to argue with you on this. Sorry but if I can't suspsend my disbelief, it's not potraying realism too well
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Post by KEJB on Nov 28, 2007 12:55:08 GMT -5
Oh man. Of course its not going to be real electricity on the cage. But ya know what? It is possible that a cage can be electrified isnt it? Wrestling isnt real. It portrays realism. I am not going to argue with you on this. Sorry but if I can't suspsend my disbelief, it's not potraying realism too well Man... at least you know there is a possibility in this world, that you can put electricity through a metal cage? You can agree on that right? Where in this world, can Humans throw lightning bolts at eachother? Where in this world, can midgets paint whole in walls and walk through them? You want to argue stupid and asinine, WWE is a thousand times worse than TNA.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Nov 28, 2007 12:56:04 GMT -5
Sorry but if I can't suspsend my disbelief, it's not potraying realism too well Man... at least you know there is a possibility in this world, that you can put electricity through a metal cage? You can agree on that right? Where in this world, can Humans throw lightning bolts at eachother? Where in this world, can midgets paint whole in walls and walk through them? You want to argue stupid and asinine, WWE is a thousand times worse than TNA. But it's expected of the WWE, that's how they've run things for almost 20 years. And yes, when I see these things? I think they're stupid but I laugh because I have a warped sense of humor, or maybe I just like that they've relegated a stupid storyline to backstage antics that make no sense and now the entire bastard son storyline is now a lighthearted joking romp through nothingness And No, you can't put electric current through fishnet. And again, TNA is stupid and asinine in it's own way, i'll leave it at that unless you'd like me to create a running list of all their terrible match decisions in 5 years and stack them up against WWE's list of terrible match decisons in 20. I bet you the lists would be about the same length, and that's not good
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Post by poi zen rana on Nov 28, 2007 13:00:06 GMT -5
i don't think the bashing in shows threads is any indication. the tna bashers don't watch tna, so they have no need to go to the show threads. they show up after the fact and try to take cuts at tna using points they hear from reports like this one. just because they don't watch the show to complain about everything doesn't mean they accept it more. sorry, but kaz proving he was ready to step into the spotlight was not sheer luck. that was the plan behind the whole thing. you act as though wrestling is real and it only worked for them because kaz surprised everyone by winning. no. they knew going into the tournament that kaz was going to win. they set up an inconspicuous match with title match implications just like they are doing this time and used it to push someone the fans love further up the card. i don't think that is pointless and it is a good idea in my book. this match can be used to totally shake up the title scene in tna and provide new challengers and build up to some good feuds. i am for it. I meant that Kaz who's talents were being wasted going nowhere was finally booked somewhere he could show that he was main event material, which he did. Don't act like sometimes people that are booked to win don't live up to the booker's expectations. I know they booked Kaz to win the whole thing, but up until that point just watching the tournament I couldn't for the life of me figure out why anything that was going on was a good idea, like Robert Roode and Joe suddenly feuding But hey what the smurf do I know, I think wrestling is real and what i mean is they knew kaz was ready to move up so they had the tournament. i don't think kaz was that big of a risk. had they tried to have him make a few promos or do mic work against christian it would have been because his talents on mic are not the best. however, they knew he could hang in the ring and designed a tournament to help put him in a position to where it made storyline sense for him to have a hard fought match with christian. that is why the tournament was there. they knew that kaz could hang enough in the ring with christian to really impress and move him up the card. i don't think it was that much dumb luck but what do i know. can you give me a reason why roode feuding with joe is a bad thing? is the only reason because it makes joe not champion? i am sorry i just don't follow the whole "joe is being misused because he isn't champion" theory. the guy is the number one babyface in the company and was used to elevate the standings of a midcard heel. what isn't good about this idea?
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Post by Ace Diamond on Nov 28, 2007 13:01:16 GMT -5
I meant that Kaz who's talents were being wasted going nowhere was finally booked somewhere he could show that he was main event material, which he did. Don't act like sometimes people that are booked to win don't live up to the booker's expectations. I know they booked Kaz to win the whole thing, but up until that point just watching the tournament I couldn't for the life of me figure out why anything that was going on was a good idea, like Robert Roode and Joe suddenly feuding But hey what the smurf do I know, I think wrestling is real and what i mean is they knew kaz was ready to move up so they had the tournament. i don't think kaz was that big of a risk. had they tried to have him make a few promos or do mic work against christian it would have been because his talents on mic are not the best. however, they knew he could hang in the ring and designed a tournament to help put him in a position to where it made storyline sense for him to have a hard fought match with christian. that is why the tournament was there. they knew that kaz could hang enough in the ring with christian to really impress and move him up the card. i don't think it was that much dumb luck but what do i know. can you give me a reason why roode feuding with joe is a bad thing? is the only reason because it makes joe not champion? i am sorry i just don't follow the whole "joe is being misused because he isn't champion" theory. the guy is the number one babyface in the company and was used to elevate the standings of a midcard heel. what isn't good about this idea? Eventually people will cease caring about Joe unless he gets the title, at least that's my view of it, maybe I'm wrong, but what the smurf do I know I think wrestling is real. I wish I could think of a precedent wherin somebody after so many booked failing just short of the mark got the title but by then nobody gave a damn, but I can't think of one.
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Post by Diddly on Nov 28, 2007 13:03:48 GMT -5
This lost all credibility to me when they wrote "Rick Flair"
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Post by hollywood on Nov 28, 2007 13:06:49 GMT -5
At any rate, I still think this "Feast or Fired" match is ri-gaddamn-tarded, whether it's the opener, the filler, or the main event--no matter how solid the rest of the card looks. And I make no apologies for that opinion.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Nov 28, 2007 13:08:53 GMT -5
At any rate, I still think this "Feast or Fired" match is ri-gaddamn-tarded, whether it's the opener, the filler, or the main event--no matter how solid the rest of the card looks. And I make no apologies for that opinion. And neither do I
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Post by hollywood on Nov 28, 2007 13:11:15 GMT -5
Oh, and just for the record, I was there to see the "electrified" cage match live. And it sucked. And the entire arena agreed with me.
And there's no defending it whatsoever.
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Post by poi zen rana on Nov 28, 2007 13:11:33 GMT -5
and what i mean is they knew kaz was ready to move up so they had the tournament. i don't think kaz was that big of a risk. had they tried to have him make a few promos or do mic work against christian it would have been because his talents on mic are not the best. however, they knew he could hang in the ring and designed a tournament to help put him in a position to where it made storyline sense for him to have a hard fought match with christian. that is why the tournament was there. they knew that kaz could hang enough in the ring with christian to really impress and move him up the card. i don't think it was that much dumb luck but what do i know. can you give me a reason why roode feuding with joe is a bad thing? is the only reason because it makes joe not champion? i am sorry i just don't follow the whole "joe is being misused because he isn't champion" theory. the guy is the number one babyface in the company and was used to elevate the standings of a midcard heel. what isn't good about this idea? Eventually people will cease caring about Joe unless he gets the title, at least that's my view of it, maybe I'm wrong, but what the smurf do I know I think wrestling is real. I wish I could think of a precedent wherin somebody after so many booked failing just short of the mark got the title but by then nobody gave a damn, but I can't think of one. how many times do you think joe has gone after the belt and failed? just off the top of your head.
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Post by thestinger on Nov 28, 2007 13:15:54 GMT -5
At any rate, I still think this "Feast or Fired" match is ri-gaddamn-tarded, whether it's the opener, the filler, or the main event--no matter how solid the rest of the card looks. And I make no apologies for that opinion. Nobodies arguing about that (at least not currently). But when this Bryan fool claims it's the main event, he once again reveals that he hasn't watched the last two impacts (which were both very good.) It's impossible to have watched the past two shows, and NOT know the main event for the Dec 2nd PPV. Impossible. So we have a guy here, again, posting his opinion as fact about a show he clearly does not watch. Again. But if you want my honest opinion of the match here it is: I would think it was a great idea IF not for the fourth briefcase. One could argue that we may get some good title matches that fans haven't seen before. However, it makes no sense for TNA managment to FIRE an employee, not based on performance, but what's inside a random suitcase. TNA management is now firing wrestlers for their amusement. TNA management has turned heel. Isn't that what Bischoff (and Vince after he copied Bischoff's heel authority figure gimmick) used to threaten to do when he was with nWo?
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Post by hollywood on Nov 28, 2007 13:22:34 GMT -5
At any rate, I still think this "Feast or Fired" match is ri-gaddamn-tarded, whether it's the opener, the filler, or the main event--no matter how solid the rest of the card looks. And I make no apologies for that opinion. Nobodies arguing about that (at least not currently). But when this Bryan fool claims it's the main event, he once again reveals that he hasn't watched the last two impacts (which were both very good.) It's impossible to have watched the past two shows, and NOT know the main event for the Dec 2nd PPV. Impossible. So we have a guy here, again, posting his opinion as fact about a show he clearly does not watch. Again. But if you want my honest opinion of the match here it is: I would think it was a great idea IF not for the fourth briefcase. One could argue that we may get some good title matches that fans haven't seen before. However, it makes no sense for TNA managment to FIRE an employee, not based on performance, but what's inside a random suitcase. TNA management is now firing wrestlers for their amusement. TNA management has turned heel. Isn't that what Bischoff (and Vince after he copied Bischoff's heel authority figure gimmick) used to threaten to do when he was with nWo? I'm not much of a fan of the match in general. While I disagree with this guy's decision to include "witty" comments and opinions with his news, I don't really disagree with his thoughts. I do think (from a kayfabe standpoint) that booking a match that says anyone can get a title shot really devalues all of their titles. Having an annual event like the Royal Rumble, where it happens once a year, is one thing, and it's only for one title. But this is for all of them. And it's just out of nowhere. I guess that's what throws me about so many of TNA's match ideas. It just seems so random, like there's no reasoning behind it. We just had a fairly good tournament (despite my displeasure with one match) for a world title where Kaz was literally put over by losing, and now there's a possibility (kayfabe-wise) that Sharkboy can get a world title shot. I agree with what this guy says, why bother with the match. With all the random opportunities for a title shot, just elminate yourself and wait till next week, and avoid getting fired. I'm cutting TNA some slack these days for being better than RAW (not TEN TIMES better, I'm sorry, but better), but this match is not getting any slack from me. The rest of the PPV looks very solid though.
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Post by KEJB on Nov 28, 2007 13:23:45 GMT -5
Like titles mean anything in WWE.
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