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Post by ICBM on Nov 27, 2007 18:31:29 GMT -5
I acn remember the first time I saw him. Superclash III. AWA vs USWA vs WCCW. He fought Eric Enbry and I loved Embry and was pissed when this kid who looked all of 20 years old beat my favorite pudgy anti-hero. That said I watched with intrest as he progressed and enjoyed his stick until Vince crammed him down our throats as Owen's tag partner. I recall Meltzer refering to him and the Godfather as "fire fighters" because of thier ability to kill a babyface's heat.
I like his work, he is good on the mic but keep him away from a main event and belt
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Post by thestinger on Nov 27, 2007 19:37:18 GMT -5
I can't explain it much beyond personal taste really. Fair enough. There's a few guys that are considered by many fans to be 'legends' and 'icons' that just never impressed me much. I can think of three such people who became World Champion in the WWF. To each their own.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 27, 2007 19:49:43 GMT -5
I can't explain it much beyond personal taste really. Fair enough. There's a few guys that are considered by many fans to be 'legends' and 'icons' that just never impressed me much. I can think of three such people who became World Champion in the WWF. To each their own. I'm curious now. Who were they?
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Post by Gillberg: 0-175 on Nov 27, 2007 20:33:37 GMT -5
Him in WCW killed it for me. I can't take him as anything cause of his WCW run.
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Post by thestinger on Nov 27, 2007 20:53:55 GMT -5
I'm curious now. Who were they? Well I don't want to derail the thread, but for I never found Shawn Michaels, Mick Foley or Steve Austin to be main event talents.
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 27, 2007 21:31:41 GMT -5
I like him and he plays a damn good heel. Don't see anything wrong with him as a maineventer, but that's just me I guess. well he's main eventing TNA, it's not like he's going out and main eventing every PPV just because he was the only "big name" TNA had when they first started, and regaurdless of those he built he stayed in the main event just because. oh wait.
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 27, 2007 21:32:56 GMT -5
I see him as guy that is a upper mid-carder and a main eventer if he has someone strong to work with. I like the guy but, I wouldn't build around him as my main star. that actually describes TNA's roster minus Sting and Angle. I'm curious now. Who were they? Well I don't want to derail the thread, but for I never found Shawn Michaels, Mick Foley or Steve Austin to be main event talents. I'm thinking it's because you missed their build up in WWF due to you "quitting pro wrestling" going back and watching it now does not accurately paint the picture as to why those 3 ended up main eventing. I know probably you still had the idea of Austin and Foley as mainly upper-mid card guys like Jeff Jarrett, and with HBK I'm guessing it was his size and that his character was that of a male stripper pretty boy. It's not the same as watching these guys rise to the top, watching as they evolved from fued to fued, and eventually found a nice ground as to what kind of persona and wrestler they were. Going back and trying to understand why those 3 are so over now isn't going to make a good arguement as to why these 3 are main eventers. Jeff Jarrett has never really been built up to that status, neither was Christian, Rhino, or a lot of guys in TNA actually. When I'm talking of those guys who were built up to believable main eventers it is only Booker, Sting, Angle, and Nash who are verifiable draws and main event guys. THat's due to the strong booking that wasn't forced because the fans did take to them. Diesel was one of the most over guys in WWF following his IC title win and Royal Rumble performance. Angle rose quickly but that was because he actually rose to the occasion. Sting wasn't a main event guy until Flair put him over. The thing with Jarrett, Christian, and others is that they didn't have a defining moment. I know Jarrett beat Benoit, Booker, Steiner, and others but eh. IT just didn't feel right you know.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Nov 27, 2007 21:52:50 GMT -5
Here is my thoughts on Jarrett. He is a good old school style wrestler. One thing you can tell more so in TNA that he gives it everything he got to make the match the best it can be. I respect him for that.
Now is he a main Eventer talent? IMO he is. But, he not the guy that should be the face of the company. He is not a bad World Champion but he shouldn't have year long title runs. He's good but not that good. What happened with him was fans got sick of him. His matches were not bad but it got old. Jarrett role should be more like 00 Kurt Angle. He was world champion but not the number one heel or the face of the company. HHH was still number one heel but Angle was a great number 2. Angle had a 5 month run as champion. That all the more Jarrett should be.
Basicly Jarrett is good in doses and not everything is about him.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Nov 28, 2007 1:46:18 GMT -5
I liked Jarrett Back when he was Double J. Although I wasn't too fond of his wrestling at the time, I marked for Jarrett whenever he referred to WCW fans as "Slapnuts"
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Post by machinegun on Nov 28, 2007 2:06:35 GMT -5
Main event material
But his HHH like run was too much for me. I like Slapnuts JJ but that whole run turned me off. The scared of management Jarrett just doesn't appeal to me
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 28, 2007 2:19:17 GMT -5
He's main event material only in TNA, in WWE no way. IN WCW I never really bought into his character beyond the whole "Choke on this slapnuts".
As a main eventer and a champion, Double J was a Double A player on the Red Sox.
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Post by Massive G on Nov 28, 2007 2:23:10 GMT -5
I always disliked JJ, though I did feel for him when his wife died. He is a glorified IC champ, and likely never would have progressed beyond that. The "slapnuts" schtick was ludicrous. He started a company, and now he is a 43 time world champ. That's all.
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Post by thestinger on Nov 28, 2007 12:23:52 GMT -5
He's main event material only in TNA, in WWE no way. IN WCW I never really bought into his character beyond the whole "Choke on this slapnuts". That takes for granted that WWE main eventers are above TNA main eventers. For me, it's the opposite. I've actually seen a Batista match. No way, he'd be a main event talent in TNA. He is a glorified IC champ, and likely never would have progressed beyond that. The "slapnuts" schtick was ludicrous. He started a company, and now he is a 43 time world champ. That's all. That's not all. According to many (not just JJ) he was super over as a heel and ready to move to the main events, but Austin refused to work with him because of a personal grudge between the two. When he hit the glass ceiling he jumped to WCW where he DID become world champion. You make it sound like he was never a main eventer before he started TNA.
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Post by BlackJackRobby on Nov 28, 2007 12:46:57 GMT -5
I love everything this man does, he and JBL are my heat machines. Now I don't think he should be a booker. He does own part of the company and gets to run it how he feels though.
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 28, 2007 16:40:54 GMT -5
He's main event material only in TNA, in WWE no way. IN WCW I never really bought into his character beyond the whole "Choke on this slapnuts". That takes for granted that WWE main eventers are above TNA main eventers. For me, it's the opposite. I've actually seen a Batista match. No way, he'd be a main event talent in TNA. there's no way I could ever buy AJ Styles or Samoa Joe main eventing Summerslam, Wrestlemania, Survivor Series, or even Cyber Sunday. It's just they don't have that main event feeling to me. Then again there's that whole "what makes a main eventer a main eventer" question. I like Joe and AJ just fine in TNA as upper-midcarders, but compared to Angle or Sting, nobody really matches up. Maybe it's TNA's ability to make every performer irrellevant
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Post by thestinger on Nov 28, 2007 17:09:21 GMT -5
there's no way I could ever buy AJ Styles or Samoa Joe main eventing Summerslam, Wrestlemania, Survivor Series, or even Cyber Sunday. That's fine. I could never buy Batista, that Khali dope or that rapper guy main eventing Bound For Glory, Sacrifice or No Surrender. They're not talented enough. Maybe it's WWE's ability to push only the crappiest guys in their company.
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Post by Arthur Digby Stamp on Nov 28, 2007 17:17:28 GMT -5
there's no way I could ever buy AJ Styles or Samoa Joe main eventing Summerslam, Wrestlemania, Survivor Series, or even Cyber Sunday. That's fine. I could never buy Batista, that Khali dope or that rapper guy main eventing Bound For Glory, Sacrifice or No Surrender. They're not talented enough. Maybe it's WWE's ability to push only the crappiest guys in their company. You do realize that if any of those guys were released today, TNA would be having them main event the very next ppv, right?
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 28, 2007 17:45:44 GMT -5
there's no way I could ever buy AJ Styles or Samoa Joe main eventing Summerslam, Wrestlemania, Survivor Series, or even Cyber Sunday. That's fine. I could never buy Batista, that Khali dope or that rapper guy main eventing Bound For Glory, Sacrifice or No Surrender. They're not talented enough. Maybe it's WWE's ability to push only the crappiest guys in their company. Batista does have the ability to put on some good engaging matches when matched up with the right type of opponent, John Cena is the best wrestler in the world, and I will stand by that comment because I do believe it. Khali is a giant, he's not going to do the most impressive stuff other than just being a big guy. IF he was in TNA I think it'd be all about the roster wanting to take the moves he did perform in Japan, more so than Khali not being able to do moves. If in one fell swoop TNA was able to get the likes of John Cena, Batista, and Khali you know that it'd lend instant credibility in the promotion and putting goes guys in anything but a main event is literally wasting them and their name value.
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Post by thestinger on Nov 28, 2007 18:03:53 GMT -5
If in one fell swoop TNA was able to get the likes of John Cena, Batista, and Khali you know that it'd lend instant credibility in the promotion and putting goes guys in anything but a main event is literally wasting them and their name value. The best wrestlers in the world are the guys you said you couldn't see main eventing Wrestlemania, AJ Styles and Samoa Joe. And I agree. They'll never main event Wrestlemania, they're too good. WWE's main eventers aren't talented enough to make it in TNA. I didn't post a word about their name value, I was speaking of their talent, or lack of talent. If they came to TNA now, yeah, they might get pushed since they're famous from the WWE. But if they stunk up the arenas, they'd be shown the door faster than Jr. Fatu. If this was an alternate world, where those guys wound up in TNA instead of WWE, I think they'd all have been let go just like A1.
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Post by pathogen on Nov 28, 2007 19:34:15 GMT -5
I'm not familiar with his TNA work, but HATED him in WWE. I wonder if he'd have gotten anywhere if his dad didn't own a wrestling company?
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