Hiroshi Hase
Patti Mayonnaise
The Good Ol' Days
Posts: 30,755
|
Post by Hiroshi Hase on Nov 28, 2007 19:40:37 GMT -5
I'm not familiar with his TNA work, but HATED him in WWE. I wonder if he'd have gotten anywhere if his dad didn't own a wrestling company? He did fairly well in his first stint in WWE when he was IC Champ and in 99 he was to do a program with Austin, but Austin didn't want to work with him, found that quite ironic considering his past in WCW.
|
|
|
Post by Error on Nov 28, 2007 19:41:28 GMT -5
That's fine. I could never buy Batista, that Khali dope or that rapper guy main eventing Bound For Glory, Sacrifice or No Surrender. They're not talented enough. Maybe it's WWE's ability to push only the crappiest guys in their company. See this right here is odd. You say over and over that you don't watch WWE but, will call two of their top star "crappy" (even making mention of a character that Cena hasn't played in over 2 years). If someone who admitted they do not watch TNA said the Styles or Joe sucked you be all over them for not knowing what they are talking about. Batista and Cena are two extremely talented guys that have put on several match of the year contenders and (just going on Cena here) could easily do well in TNA based on : 1) His connections. Angle, Joe, Daniels and Christian love the guy. 2) His charisma and ability to connect with the fans. 3) The fact that he has put on several good matches with Angle and Christian before.
|
|
Massive G
Hank Scorpio
yo hago esto
Posts: 6,224
|
Post by Massive G on Nov 29, 2007 0:06:56 GMT -5
saying that someone will never main event Wrestlemania because they're "too good" is pretty dumb.
|
|
|
Post by YouStayClassy on Nov 29, 2007 0:10:38 GMT -5
I voted "Other".
I want to see him behind the counter of McDonald's or Wendy's, instead of making me change the channel whenever he's on.
|
|
|
Post by Jimichiro Likes Erick Rowan on Nov 29, 2007 0:46:20 GMT -5
there's no way I could ever buy AJ Styles or Samoa Joe main eventing Summerslam, Wrestlemania, Survivor Series, or even Cyber Sunday. That's fine. I could never buy Batista, that Khali dope or that rapper guy main eventing Bound For Glory, Sacrifice or No Surrender. They're not talented enough. Maybe it's WWE's ability to push only the crappiest guys in their company. Which explains Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker & currently Chris Jericho.
|
|
|
Post by Cap'n Crud on Nov 29, 2007 9:59:32 GMT -5
I really think Jeff Jarrett really came into his own in WCW as "The Chosen One". I think he should still be allowed to be in the main event sometimes but not be the whole face of the company like Kurt Angle or Samoa Joe.
|
|
|
Post by thestinger on Nov 29, 2007 12:28:29 GMT -5
See this right here is odd. You say over and over that you don't watch WWE but, will call two of their top star "crappy" Yeah, I don't watch WWE tv at all. Recently I've seen some youtube stuff involving a whole bunch of guys, mostly to see Angle and Christian and guys I'm a fan of now. If you read my read my post I said, "I've seen a Batista match." One. Singular. But everyone I know who watches WWE feels a LOT stronger about the names I mentioned than I do. Which explains Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker & currently Chris Jericho. saying that someone will never main event Wrestlemania because they're "too good" is pretty dumb. Well not to me. People say things here all the time that sound dumb to me. WWE may have monopoly, but they haven't employed the best wrestlers in the world for a LONG time, if ever. I didn't know Jericho was back, I used to love the Undertaker, but I've heard he's years past his prime, and I never thought Michaels was anything special.
|
|
|
Post by Error on Nov 29, 2007 12:56:44 GMT -5
See this right here is odd. You say over and over that you don't watch WWE but, will call two of their top star "crappy" Yeah, I don't watch WWE tv at all. Recently I've seen some youtube stuff involving a whole bunch of guys, mostly to see Angle and Christian and guys I'm a fan of now. If you read my read my post I said, "I've seen a Batista match." One. Singular. But everyone I know who watches WWE feels a LOT stronger about the names I mentioned than I do. That is my point is you don't know WWE or the guys in it but, feel free to go off on them based on second hand info or a few Youtube matches. When the same is done to TNA you and others have gone off on people about talking about what they don't watch, don't know anything about or what the news sites say (sorry but, watching a few Youtube matches doesn't give anyone insight on how good or bad somebody can be). Why expect better treatment for TNA when you are doing it to WWE? Sorry if I come off as an ass, I don't mean to, but, to me seems like a double standard that hurts your argument on TNA and WWE. I'll bow out now as to not derail the thread any further.
|
|
|
Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Nov 29, 2007 13:11:06 GMT -5
Jarrett deserves his main event status for his ring and stick work. However, he shouldn't be the first (or largest) face you see when a promotion puts out a magazine ad for its TV show. WWE may have monopoly, but they haven't employed the best wrestlers in the world for a LONG time, if ever. I didn't know Jericho was back, I used to love the Undertaker, but I've heard he's years past his prime, and I never thought Michaels was anything special. You wanna know why? That's because they except people to develop their craft on television nowadays, not so much that they're retarded or anything.
|
|
Joekishi
Fry's dog Seymour
Posts: 20,490
|
Post by Joekishi on Nov 29, 2007 13:45:30 GMT -5
If in one fell swoop TNA was able to get the likes of John Cena, Batista, and Khali you know that it'd lend instant credibility in the promotion and putting goes guys in anything but a main event is literally wasting them and their name value. The best wrestlers in the world are the guys you said you couldn't see main eventing Wrestlemania, AJ Styles and Samoa Joe. And I agree. They'll never main event Wrestlemania, they're too good. They are not the best in the world, not even the best in North America. All I'm saying is that at best they would be in the mid-card hell even in the old-school NWA/WCW they'd be nowhere near the main event. And you're as oldschool as I am. you know Joe would probably tag team with Cactus Jack, AJ would be paired up with Tom Zenk.
|
|
hollywood
King Koopa
the bullet dodger
The Green Arrow has approved this post.
Posts: 11,122
|
Post by hollywood on Nov 29, 2007 14:04:22 GMT -5
WWE may have monopoly, but they haven't employed the best wrestlers in the world for a LONG time, if ever. Yes they have. Bryan Danielson was on Velocity not too long ago!
|
|
|
Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Nov 29, 2007 14:41:49 GMT -5
WWE may have monopoly, but they haven't employed the best wrestlers in the world for a LONG time, if ever. Yes they have. Bryan Danielson was on Velocity not too long ago! ...before he hit his stride.
|
|
|
Post by thestinger on Nov 29, 2007 15:44:30 GMT -5
. Why expect better treatment for TNA when you are doing it to WWE? I don't expect better treatment for TNA. I state my opinions and I don't care what others think, we're all just anonymous fake names on a message board. For all I know, this entire board could consist of me, and one other guy with 200 screen names. Sorry if I come off as an ass, I don't mean to, but, to me seems like a double standard that hurts your argument on TNA and WWE. I don't see a double standard. The only guy I've ever trashed for commenting about TNA without watching it is that Alvarez guy. And that's because wrestling is supposed to be his JOB -- his profession -- and yet he puts out a newsletter filled with his opinion on a show he clearly doesn't watch. That's pathetic. Anyone else on this board can trash TNA all they want without me jumping on them. And they do. I'll bow out now as to not derail the thread any further. You can stick around if you want, I certainly don't mind. But if someone like Joekishi is going to say he thinks WWE main eventers are above TNA main eventers, then I'm going to respond with my opinion that WWE is a very distant third in terms of talent in North America. Joekishi simply can't consider anyone who didn't main event in WWF or WCW as a main event talent. That's fine, it's his opinion. Mine is that I would put AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Low Ki, Homicide and Austen Aries against any main event talent in WWE, I think they would blow most of them away (though I love Jericho, heard good things about Edge, and the Undertaker in his prime was a thing to behold.)
|
|
Joekishi
Fry's dog Seymour
Posts: 20,490
|
Post by Joekishi on Nov 29, 2007 15:48:38 GMT -5
No the way TNA builds up THEIR talent makes them NOT main event.
That's just the way I think. If I could get a main event type of feel from Joe or AJ fine, but I don't.
There is literally nobody in TNA homegrown that i could legit buy headlining PPV.
That's not the wrestler's fault it's the yo-yo booking
"Mine is that I would put AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Low Ki, Homicide and Austen Aries against any main event talent in WWE, I think they would blow most of them away (though I love Jericho, heard good things about Edge, and the Undertaker in his prime was a thing to behold.)"
The only match-up I'd want to watch in a main event setting would be Samoa Joe vs. Umaga because they are samoans.
AJ Styles is a crappy singles wrestler, he's a great high flying style guy, but his style is way more suited to tag teams and multi-man melee matches.
Low Ki and Homicide are 2 of my favorite guys in TNA, hell add in Hernandez, and you have a stable that I'd get behind. No problem.
Austin Aries is an overrated, but talented wrestler.
The only guys I'd like to see in WWE are LAX and Low Ki, but I'd rather see them ripping it up in ROH.
|
|
|
Post by thestinger on Nov 29, 2007 15:48:53 GMT -5
One last thing, Squizz, and I mentioned this earlier:
You should talk to my friends who watch WWE all the time.
If you think MY opinion of Batista and Cena is low, you should hear from them.
Back to Jeff Jarrett now?
|
|
|
Post by thestinger on Nov 29, 2007 15:51:45 GMT -5
There is literally nobody in TNA homegrown that i could legit buy headlining PPV. That's fine, if that's your opinion. Earlier I mentioned three names that WWE considers 'legends' that I could never legit buy headlining PPV. To me, there's no wrestler in the business that deserves to be a main event guy more than AJ Styles. In my mind, there is no bigger star than Samoa Joe. I could care less for the roided up freaks WWE pushes into the main events. The only guy I'd like to see in WWE are LAX and Low Ki The only guy in WWE I'd like to see jump to TNA is Jericho.
|
|
Joekishi
Fry's dog Seymour
Posts: 20,490
|
Post by Joekishi on Nov 29, 2007 15:55:36 GMT -5
I don't get it though. Why AJ STyles, he's basically HBK/Rey MYsterio hybrid isn't he? Small guy who takes major bumps and does insane high flying moves.
I don't get how you could like AJ but hate HBK, when HBK is lightyears ahead of AJ.
Again if you're a WCW stand-by I don't know how you could really buy AJ or Joe as main eventers. Especially with TNA's just inane booking
|
|
|
Post by thestinger on Nov 29, 2007 16:03:19 GMT -5
I don't get it though. Why AJ STyles, he's basically HBK/Rey MYsterio hybrid isn't he? Small guy who takes major bumps and does insane high flying moves. Well for starters, AJ's not small. He's the same exact height as me and my driver's licence says 5' 10" But we had that argument already and we both agreed you're wrong (no wait, we agreed to disagree, even though you're wrong. Again if you're a WCW stand-by I don't know how you could really buy AJ or Joe as main eventers. Especially with TNA's just inane booking Because my favorite wrestlers in WCW were Jericho and guys who wrestled "X-Division style." Mike Awesome was my favorite in the late 90s and Joe reminds me of him: a big guy who does things you wouldn't think a guy that size could do. I don't get how you could like AJ but hate HBK, when HBK is lightyears ahead of AJ. I don't get how you can like HBK and say AJ's a crappy singles wrestler when AJ is light years ahead of HBK. Opinions are like you know what. Everyone's got them.
|
|
Joekishi
Fry's dog Seymour
Posts: 20,490
|
Post by Joekishi on Nov 29, 2007 16:10:58 GMT -5
I don't get it though. Why AJ STyles, he's basically HBK/Rey MYsterio hybrid isn't he? Small guy who takes major bumps and does insane high flying moves. Well for starters, AJ's not small. He's the same exact height as me and my driver's licence says 5' 10" But we had that argument already and we both agreed you're wrong (no wait, we agreed to disagree, even though you're wrong. But mine says i'm 5'8 and AJ was clearly shorter than me back in 2006 when I actually did meet him. you're either smaller than you said, or I'm a giant.
|
|
|
Post by thestinger on Nov 29, 2007 16:12:49 GMT -5
Well one of us is wrong.
It's you. ;D
|
|