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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Dec 2, 2007 14:08:48 GMT -5
Is there any particular reason the CHIKARA guys were shat on or what? To make IWA:DS's guys look better and more talented than the CHIKARA guys, I'd imagine. Mind you, I am of the opinion that the fact they were booked to win deathmatches in the first place implies that's all they can do, so therefore look LESS talented.
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Post by Reverend BTY on Dec 2, 2007 14:12:20 GMT -5
Is there any particular reason the CHIKARA guys were shat on or what? To make IWA:DS's guys look better and more talented than the CHIKARA guys, I'd imagine. Mind you, I am of the opinion that the fact they were booked to win deathmatches in the first place implies that's all they can do, so therefore look LESS talented. I didn't mean in the booking cause I can understand that. I was wondering more by the crowd who seemed to pretty much hate each CHIKARA guy.
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Post by mysterydriver on Dec 2, 2007 14:24:34 GMT -5
To make IWA:DS's guys look better and more talented than the CHIKARA guys, I'd imagine. Mind you, I am of the opinion that the fact they were booked to win deathmatches in the first place implies that's all they can do, so therefore look LESS talented. I didn't mean in the booking cause I can understand that. I was wondering more by the crowd who seemed to pretty much hate each CHIKARA guy. Just a few ideas from my point of view for the reactions. 1. They might just not have liked the certain wrestlers. Consider the comments directed at Donst. "Quack isn't here to get you over." Some people seem to dislike Donst because it is obvious that CHIKARA is trying make him seem greater than what he is (at current moment). Sure, he loses a majority of his matches but they are always played as "Look at how brave, talented, and wonderful Tim Donst is!" which could cause some backlash. Like an Anti-Cena, I suppose. 2. Cartoony Gimmicks in Death Matches? Yeah. Ultra Mantis Black is funny when he's screaming really loud at chops...but at his stomach getting sliced open...that's kind of expected. So, the style of the CHIKARA people just doesn't mesh. Having "Fun" style wrestlers in "Death" matches make as much sense as William Regal being in a Death match. 3. Some people just don't like or understand the point of CHIKARA. We've had threads on this board that points that out. Again, just a few thoughts.
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Post by Timmy8271 on Dec 2, 2007 17:03:09 GMT -5
Were the Chikara guys booked as heels?
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Dec 2, 2007 17:16:50 GMT -5
I didn't mean in the booking cause I can understand that. I was wondering more by the crowd who seemed to pretty much hate each CHIKARA guy. Just a few ideas from my point of view for the reactions. 1. They might just not have liked the certain wrestlers. Consider the comments directed at Donst. "Quack isn't here to get you over." Some people seem to dislike Donst because it is obvious that CHIKARA is trying make him seem greater than what he is (at current moment). Sure, he loses a majority of his matches but they are always played as "Look at how brave, talented, and wonderful Tim Donst is!" which could cause some backlash. Like an Anti-Cena, I suppose. 2. Cartoony Gimmicks in Death Matches? Yeah. Ultra Mantis Black is funny when he's screaming really loud at chops...but at his stomach getting sliced open...that's kind of expected. So, the style of the CHIKARA people just doesn't mesh. Having "Fun" style wrestlers in "Death" matches make as much sense as William Regal being in a Death match. 3. Some people just don't like or understand the point of CHIKARA. We've had threads on this board that points that out. Again, just a few thoughts. I'd buy number 2 if I didn't know that Mantis started out his career as a backyard "Death match" guy, then gradually inserted the wacky into his character when he decided to focus on actual wrestling as opposed to light tubes and tables. Then again, that is a relatively obscure factoid, so I guess the fans wouldn't get that and wouldn't realize that he probably knows what he's doing there.
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Post by thwak is T.hawk on Dec 2, 2007 17:20:48 GMT -5
also I think mantis just took the booking because where else was he getting booked?
just throwing that out there.
I think mantis knew what he was doing.
as for donst getting a backlash, it seemed to me like it was just one annoying fan. like that guy who heckled necro at TWGP.
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Post by Timmy8271 on Dec 2, 2007 18:40:29 GMT -5
Mantis and the Chikara guys were in Tennessee doing a indy show in front of 12 people on Friday.
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Post by Reverend BTY on Dec 2, 2007 18:42:07 GMT -5
Anyone else find a few of the names terribly retarded??? WHACKS, Tank, INSANE LANE, and FREAKSHOW come to mind. I'm sure they all try but damn do those names suck a cock.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Dec 2, 2007 18:45:56 GMT -5
Anyone else find a few of the names terribly retarded??? WHACKS, Tank, INSANE LANE, and FREAKSHOW come to mind. I'm sure they all try but damn do those names suck a cock. Well, I like Tank, personally, but then again, I've actually seen the guy in action several times, and he's honestly pretty good, even when you take away the deathmatch stuff, but yeah, WHACKS and FREAKSHOW sucks. INSANE LANE's not that bad, but the all caps is uneccesary.
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Post by Reverend BTY on Dec 2, 2007 18:47:13 GMT -5
Anyone else find a few of the names terribly retarded??? WHACKS, Tank, INSANE LANE, and FREAKSHOW come to mind. I'm sure they all try but damn do those names suck a cock. Well, I like Tank, personally, but then again, I've actually seen the guy in action several times, and he's honestly pretty good, even when you take away the deathmatch stuff, but yeah, WHACKS and FREAKSHOW sucks. INSANE LANE's not that bad, but the all caps is uneccesary. Although you understand, I do feel the need to clarify that I was speaking solely on the name. I mean, I'd much prefer something wacky like Terra Ryzin to a random 'hardcore' name in all caps.
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Post by thwak is T.hawk on Dec 2, 2007 19:21:05 GMT -5
whacks is the CZW photo guy though. how he turned into a death match wrestler is beyond me.
as for freakshow, eh he sucks anyway. the only reason he gets a good push is because he screwed up ian's eye. insane lane is waaaaaaay better then freakshow ever wants to be.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 2, 2007 19:30:30 GMT -5
I could never bother myself with the ultraviolent hardcore stuff, especially if you're doing it for little pay on the indy scene.
Some of the stuff that I'm reading about here sounds ridiculous.
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Post by YouStayClassy on Dec 2, 2007 20:05:49 GMT -5
God, some wrestler needs to revive the name Terra Ryzin.
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Post by thwak is T.hawk on Dec 2, 2007 22:16:02 GMT -5
oh and from other reports the mantis match didn't involve alot of garbage and had the most wrestling out of all the tourny matches.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Dec 2, 2007 22:25:38 GMT -5
oh and from other reports the mantis match didn't involve alot of garbage and had the most wrestling out of all the tourny matches. With both Sexxxy Eddy(who's an underrated indy guy, in my opinion) and UMB in the match, I'm not shocked that it had the most wrestling. I don't really know a lot about the third guy in the match, so I don't know if he does mostly death match or what, so I can't comment on him.
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Post by Reverend BTY on Dec 2, 2007 22:55:43 GMT -5
God, some wrestler needs to revive the name Terra Ryzin. I'm waiting for someone to start using Max Power.
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Post by Godhand on Dec 3, 2007 15:19:29 GMT -5
oh and from other reports the mantis match didn't involve alot of garbage and had the most wrestling out of all the tourny matches. With both Sexxxy Eddy(who's an underrated indy guy, in my opinion) and UMB in the match, I'm not shocked that it had the most wrestling. I don't really know a lot about the third guy in the match, so I don't know if he does mostly death match or what, so I can't comment on him. Scotty Vortekz was the czw junior heavyweight champion earlier this year. He sucks. He doesnt flat out completly suck like Dj Hyde but he is still prety bad. Now my thoughts on this show. Doesnt really seem that special in the indy world of kotdm and Tournament of Death. I have never seen anything by iwa ds but would I be wrong to assume that they are iwa ms without the respect iwa ms has. And why the F is Freakshow doing so well this year?
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Post by Styx Cover Band on Dec 3, 2007 16:12:36 GMT -5
Scotty Vortekz was the czw junior heavyweight champion earlier this year. He sucks. He doesnt flat out completly suck like Dj Hyde but he is still prety bad. If you are going to say someone "sucks" at least state the reasons why you think this. I like Vortekz (and all of the Naptown Dragons for that matter). Young guy who is a hybrid type. Does some good high flying and is good in death matches. He can also take a beating. Now that said I think all of the Naptown Dragons should start to move away from Deathmatches (especially Drake) to add some longevity to their careers. Now my thoughts on this show. Doesnt really seem that special in the indy world of kotdm and Tournament of Death. I have never seen anything by iwa ds but would I be wrong to assume that they are iwa ms without the respect iwa ms has. And why the F is Freakshow doing so well this year? Err, how do you have thoughts on the show from only reading the results? (I did not see the show so I don't have thoughts either). As for iwa-ds they are still really small and have only been around barely two years. I guess Mike Burns works with them, but they are like IWA-MS As for Freakshow, he has been doing really good since stabbing Ian in the eye earlier this year and was great in the IWA-MS/DS feud.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Dec 5, 2007 13:42:39 GMT -5
whacks is the CZW photo guy though. how he turned into a death match wrestler is beyond me. as for freakshow, eh he sucks anyway. the only reason he gets a good push is because he screwed up ian's eye. insane lane is waaaaaaay better then freakshow ever wants to be. Woah woah wooooaaaaaahhh. From thsi psot and a further down one, am I to understand that somebody actually got a push FOR injuring somebody by stabbing their eye? That = ass backwards. And I'm not surprised Mantis and Sexxxy Eddy did the most wrestling. Still, the fact that Mantis still got smashed in the gut with a tube and superplexed through tube covered tables tells me there still wasn't that much wrestling. 12 people in Tennessee? Ouch, that's about as small an indy as you get.
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Post by T Vang is a HO-DADDY~! on Dec 5, 2007 19:39:59 GMT -5
[ 12 people in Tennessee? Ouch, that's about as small an indy as you get. It was 125, at least from the initial report.
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