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Post by Joekishi on Dec 2, 2007 23:33:34 GMT -5
Anybody think this will still lead to a Joe heel turn?
I'm talking like he's a nazi anybody not from WWE will be hunted by him and his band of tna young guys.
Sorta like that episode of south park when Cartman becomes a ginger.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 2, 2007 23:44:46 GMT -5
I fail to see how anyone trying to rid TNA of VKM, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Black Reign, Kurt Angle, Vince Russo...could be considered a heel.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 2, 2007 23:47:26 GMT -5
I don't see how it is like BATB.
Hogan didn't no show, he refused to job. Plus, Russo wasn't out there shooting as a booker, Joe was there, shooting like someone who was pissed someone didn't show up.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Dec 2, 2007 23:49:46 GMT -5
I fail to see how anyone trying to rid TNA of VKM, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Black Reign, Kurt Angle, Vince Russo...could be considered a heel. What he said. |
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Post by Tyfo on Dec 2, 2007 23:51:39 GMT -5
Its almost as if Joe prefers the.........New Blood of TNA  So basically it will be, the New Blood(TNA) vs. the Millionaires Club(WWE). |
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Post by hollywood on Dec 2, 2007 23:53:01 GMT -5
Its almost as if Joe prefers the.........New Blood of TNA So basically it will be, the New Blood(TNA) vs. the Millionaires Club(WWE). Oh boy, I hope so! Because, like, that angle did wonders for WCW! |
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Post by Joekishi on Dec 2, 2007 23:56:06 GMT -5
I'm just saying I don't know how anybody can willfully cheer Joe over the sheer cool that is Big Daddy cool.
Maybe it's the Nash mark in me talking, but i couldn't boo him.
that was the same problem with the new blood, they were unestablished, most of them were heels, and they sorta just said "f*** those guys" and started to beat down the popular older guys.
When guys like Luger who was a heel..
bah WCW 2000-2001 is a hazy memory for me.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Dec 2, 2007 23:57:58 GMT -5
I'm just saying I don't know how anybody can willfully cheer Joe over the sheer cool that is Big Daddy cool. Maybe it's the Nash mark in me talking, but i couldn't boo him. that was the same problem with the new blood, they were unestablished, most of them were heels, and they sorta just said "smurf those guys" and started to beat down the popular older guys. When guys like Luger who was a heel.. bah WCW 2000-2001 is a hazy memory for me. Honestly, the only thing I really remember about the New Blood is thinking how ridiculous it was that "Buff" Bagwell and Shane Douglas were considered "young guys". |
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Post by Timmy8271 on Dec 2, 2007 23:58:42 GMT -5
Hall and Nash will show up on impact and it will be all a ruse constructed by Kurt Angle.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Dec 2, 2007 23:59:34 GMT -5
I fail to see how anyone trying to rid TNA of VKM, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Black Reign, Kurt Angle, Vince Russo...could be considered a heel. What he said. Thirded |
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Post by hollywood on Dec 3, 2007 0:00:13 GMT -5
I'm just saying I don't know how anybody can willfully cheer Joe over the sheer cool that is Big Daddy cool. Maybe it's the Nash mark in me talking, but i couldn't boo him. that was the same problem with the new blood, they were unestablished, most of them were heels, and they sorta just said "smurf those guys" and started to beat down the popular older guys. When guys like Luger who was a heel.. bah WCW 2000-2001 is a hazy memory for me. Honestly, the only thing I really remember about the New Blood is thinking how ridiculous it was that "Buff" Bagwell and Shane Douglas were considered "young guys". I remember thinking, "Why are the millionaires the good guys? And the young guys who want a shot are bad guys?" I'm not entirely certain, but I think I eventually decided the answer was "Vince Russo is an idiot." Hah! Worked it in again!  |
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Post by Tyfo on Dec 3, 2007 0:28:44 GMT -5
I'm just saying I don't know how anybody can willfully cheer Joe over the sheer cool that is Big Daddy cool. Maybe it's the Nash mark in me talking, but i couldn't boo him. that was the same problem with the new blood, they were unestablished, most of them were heels, and they sorta just said "smurf those guys" and started to beat down the popular older guys. When guys like Luger who was a heel.. bah WCW 2000-2001 is a hazy memory for me. Honestly, the only thing I really remember about the New Blood is thinking how ridiculous it was that "Buff" Bagwell and Shane Douglas were considered "young guys". My biggest problem was with Scott Steiner being in the New Blood. I mean, didnt they kick out Kronik because they were "has beens" or something like that? |
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Dec 3, 2007 0:33:00 GMT -5
Honestly, the only thing I really remember about the New Blood is thinking how ridiculous it was that "Buff" Bagwell and Shane Douglas were considered "young guys". I remember thinking, "Why are the millionaires the good guys? And the young guys who want a shot are bad guys?" I'm not entirely certain, but I think I eventually decided the answer was "Vince Russo is an idiot." Hah! Worked it in again! meh, it worked for the New Breed and ECW Originals. |
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Post by GaTechGrad on Dec 3, 2007 0:37:54 GMT -5
Honestly, the only thing I really remember about the New Blood is thinking how ridiculous it was that "Buff" Bagwell and Shane Douglas were considered "young guys". I remember thinking, "Why are the millionaires the good guys? And the young guys who want a shot are bad guys?" I'm not entirely certain, but I think I eventually decided the answer was "Vince Russo is an idiot." Hah! Worked it in again! I think it was just WCW's response to Vince McMahon's "Shades of Grey" speech. |
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Post by marvelocity on Dec 3, 2007 0:51:57 GMT -5
I totally didn't get your reference.....until I realized you were talking about Bash at the Beach 2000, not Bash at the Beach 1996  |
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Dec 3, 2007 0:52:26 GMT -5
I here this argument all the time, but do you really think the WCW fans attending the shows would cheer Billy Kidman over Hulk Hogan? Shane Douglas over Ric Flair?
They almost had to make the Millionaire's Club the faces from the onset.
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Post by GaTechGrad on Dec 3, 2007 1:01:32 GMT -5
If the Joe "shoot" was a work, then at least a wrestler (Samoa Joe) benefited from it, instead of Russo hogging it for himself.
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Post by angryfan on Dec 3, 2007 1:11:14 GMT -5
I here this argument all the time, but do you really think the WCW fans attending the shows would cheer Billy Kidman over Hulk Hogan? Shane Douglas over Ric Flair? They almost had to make the Millionaire's Club the faces from the onset. You know, that argument is actually funny to me, because I've heard it before, only not in terms of WCW. That was the exact same logic used by Gagne and company as to why Bockwinkle shouldn't put Hogan over. I'm no Hogan fan, but, it does prove a point. If you never put the young guy or new guy over as important, by having him beat someone important, than the fans will never take him seriously. Somebody has to be willing to make the young talent look like main eventers, in order for the marks to view them as main eventers. |
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Post by comahan on Dec 3, 2007 1:11:44 GMT -5
This was on a site, its most of Joe's promo:
"They just gave me a live mic on a pay-per-view. So, if nobody minds, I'd like to get a few things off my chest. #1, we have two types of wrestlers here. We have the TNA die-hards who come here and entertain and bust their ass for the fans every night of the week, and we got *superstars* who think they can come and do whatever they want however they want. We have *superstars*, who not only screw us – the hard working "wrestlers" – in TNA, but they screw each and every fan who paid to see them, no matter how old they are. So lemme make this real simple, let me explain TNA to you. TNA is the Motor City Machine Guns coming down here and busting their ass, trying to get a break in this business; TNA is Black Machismo doing his damndest to entertain every single person in this building, and showing us what's up; TNA is Samoa Joe coming in here and doing what he does best, wrestle and be the best damn professional wrestler in the world; TNA is a bunch of hard working, young athletes who are looking to change the wrestling world; guys who held down this business while others profiteer from it; TNA is the guys who come in here and risk their lives on scaffolds and wires, while other people show up and pad their pensions. So I'll tell you what, Scott Hall - *chico* - I'll tell you what. Kiss my ass, you're a punk. *Looks at someone off camera* "Go ahead, fire me, I don't care. So tonight, I went in that locker room, and they said ‘we called everybody in the world trying to get you a new partner'., and I said ‘No, we don't need anybody else. We got everybody we need in the back right now'. So I walked in the back, and I said hey, who wants to be in the main event tonight? Who wants to go get into a fight? And EVERY ONE of the X-Division wrestlers stood up! I walked in the back and asked who wanted to get into a fight, and every single young wrestler whose first TV contract was through TNA stood up and said ‘ME'. But one in particular, bloodied, beaten, battered, bruised, overlooked by everybody in the world said ‘Joe, please give me the shot'. So without further due, I announce my partner; a man that will show up, a man that will be here, and do what he needs to do; a man who is ready for a fight. A man who will be a man, even when he's an old man. Showtime Eric Young, get out here let's kick some ass!"
At least it wasn't worthless. It put over all their young talent, specifically MCMG, Lethal, EY, and Joe himself.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Dec 3, 2007 1:14:49 GMT -5
I here this argument all the time, but do you really think the WCW fans attending the shows would cheer Billy Kidman over Hulk Hogan? Shane Douglas over Ric Flair? They almost had to make the Millionaire's Club the faces from the onset. You know, that argument is actually funny to me, because I've heard it before, only not in terms of WCW. That was the exact same logic used by Gagne and company as to why Bockwinkle shouldn't put Hogan over. I'm no Hogan fan, but, it does prove a point. If you never put the young guy or new guy over as important, by having him beat someone important, than the fans will never take him seriously. Somebody has to be willing to make the young talent look like main eventers, in order for the marks to view them as main eventers. And that's what that angle initially set out to do. It didn't get off the ground due to egos, not because of face/heel alignment. |
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