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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 3, 2007 23:11:43 GMT -5
To be fair, I've heard that match is infamous for OMG not wanting to sell any of Konnan's offense. I think I heard it in the Konnan shoot. Well honestly, why would Konnan take the blame for it being a bad match? 3 sides to every story but only one angle....or something. If you watch the match, One Man Gang seems to be allergic to taking a freaking bump, so Konnan had to try to cover for it by keeping at it. I think the match being so sloppy was partly due to that. Konnan isn't smooth in the ring, but still, OMG is just as responsible.
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Post by stevierichardsfan on Dec 4, 2007 6:09:44 GMT -5
whos idea was to put the us belt on one man gang in the first place
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Post by Voldemar H. "Brak" Guerta on Dec 4, 2007 7:06:29 GMT -5
Konnan was great in the 90's, not so much from 2000-onward. I recommend hunting down his lucha work from the 90's, it's great stuff. He even wore some silly-looking stuff in Mexico back then.
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Post by darbus alan on Dec 4, 2007 9:15:29 GMT -5
I don't know if you can call Konnan underrated when he's considered the Mexican equivalent of Hulk Hogan. The guy is HUGE there.
Unless you're talking from a pure-wrestling standpoint. In that case, without Konnan, Hart would need a new finisher, as he would've never learned the Sharpshooter.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 4, 2007 9:21:59 GMT -5
I don't know if you can call Konnan underrated when he's considered the Mexican equivalent of Hulk Hogan. The guy is HUGE there. Unless you're talking from a pure-wrestling standpoint. In that case, without Konnan, Hart would need a new finisher, as he would've never learned the Sharpshooter. I remember seeing a pic of Hogan and Konnan together, probably from 94 or 95 as they were face to face in a photo and they each had their belts from the promotion they were in. I think it was in a PWI magazine, but not entirely sure. He was pretty good in his early WCW stint in 96, but then when he became Mr.Bowdy-bowdy,rowdy-rowdy, I kinda got tired of him.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 4, 2007 22:22:47 GMT -5
I don't know if you can call Konnan underrated when he's considered the Mexican equivalent of Hulk Hogan. The guy is HUGE there. Unless you're talking from a pure-wrestling standpoint. In that case, without Konnan, Hart would need a new finisher, as he would've never learned the Sharpshooter. I remember seeing a pic of Hogan and Konnan together, probably from 94 or 95 as they were face to face in a photo and they each had their belts from the promotion they were in. I think it was in a PWI magazine, but not entirely sure. He was pretty good in his early WCW stint in 96, but then when he became Mr.Bowdy-bowdy,rowdy-rowdy, I kinda got tired of him. what? the rolling clothesline, crotch grab, taquilla sunrise finish didn't do it for you? Nah Konnan was great in the ring, and one of my favorite Mexican wrestlers of all time, too bad he's been such a shawdy business man in the US, and has become very bitter.
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Post by Sir Nintendo on Dec 5, 2007 0:02:27 GMT -5
f***in awesome.
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Post by drjayphd (feat. Pitbull) on Dec 5, 2007 0:26:15 GMT -5
How ironic that Botchamania 31 just came out showing us a completely horrible Konnan performance from WCW. Aw geez, I was just searching for it and found Botchamania 27: Special Championship Youmanga Edition.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 5, 2007 7:52:15 GMT -5
smurfin awesome. Yeah, that's the one, thanks.
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Dec 5, 2007 13:55:24 GMT -5
To be fair, I've heard that match is infamous for OMG not wanting to sell any of Konnan's offense. I think I heard it in the Konnan shoot. Well honestly, why would Konnan take the blame for it being a bad match? 3 sides to every story but only one angle....or something. yet you're discrediting one side to the story just because it's comming from a man who was working in the match. it's obvious in taht match that OMG is noselling every dropkick konnan throws at him. it would be kinda tough for konnan to MAKE the one man gang nosell him.
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 5, 2007 14:08:48 GMT -5
Well honestly, why would Konnan take the blame for it being a bad match? 3 sides to every story but only one angle....or something. yet you're discrediting one side to the story just because it's comming from a man who was working in the match. it's obvious in taht match that OMG is noselling every dropkick konnan throws at him. it would be kinda tough for konnan to MAKE the one man gang nosell him. Yes, the match was crappy just because of the Gang. It's Gang's fault that Konnan did that horrific flying headscissors from the top rope, it's Gang's fault that Konnan went for a 2nd dropkick (after Gang sold the first one like being shot) with about a foot of space inbetween them. It's also Gang's fault that Konnan went for a "missed dropkick" spot nowhere near Gang for it to have looked like Gang had caused him to miss. Should I keep going and mention the horrible splash through the ropes, the horrid splash from the apron, and the SAME splash from the top for the finish?
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 5, 2007 14:18:04 GMT -5
yet you're discrediting one side to the story just because it's comming from a man who was working in the match. it's obvious in taht match that OMG is noselling every dropkick konnan throws at him. it would be kinda tough for konnan to MAKE the one man gang nosell him. Yes, the match was crappy just because of the Gang. It's Gang's fault that Konnan did that horrific flying headscissors from the top rope, it's Gang's fault that Konnan went for a 2nd dropkick (after Gang sold the first one like being shot) with about a foot of space inbetween them. It's also Gang's fault that Konnan went for a "missed dropkick" spot nowhere near Gang for it to have looked like Gang had caused him to miss. Should I keep going and mention the horrible splash through the ropes, the horrid splash from the apron, and the SAME splash from the top for the finish? True, Konnan was responislbe for a lot of the problems, but it would be very unfair to pin all of the blame on him.
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Post by Joekishi on Dec 5, 2007 14:18:48 GMT -5
Everybody thinks Lucha Libre is all about the high flying it isn't. A lot of it is beautiful technical wrestling, submission wrestling, and fancy roll ups.
Konnan is one of the best technicians of all time, and I was hyped to see him in WCW because I was a huge fan of his AAA work. Really when he showed up on WCW i was like wha? KONNAN! COOL!
Then he won the US title and had some good matches.
then he joined the dungeon of doom, became a cholo, and joined nwo, and became the lazy worker we see today.
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Post by KingPopper on Dec 5, 2007 14:43:43 GMT -5
I remember when he joined the NWO, I was like...
what the f***? Konnan?
I guess each NWO needed it's guy to get beat down and pinned. Black and White did have Stevie Ray...
Fall Brawl 98.... Team WCW consisted of: "Diamond" Dallas Page, Roddy Piper, The Warrior Team Hollywood consisted of: Hulk Hogan, Stevie Ray, Bret Hart Team Wolfpac consisted of: Kevin Nash, Sting, Lex Luger
8 maineventers and Stevie Ray, I was pissed they left Hall off in the undercard.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 5, 2007 14:48:47 GMT -5
I remember when he joined the NWO, I was like... what the smurf? Konnan? I guess each NWO needed it's guy to get beat down and pinned. Black and White did have Stevie Ray... Fall Brawl 98.... Team WCW consisted of: "Diamond" Dallas Page, Roddy Piper, The Warrior Team Hollywood consisted of: Hulk Hogan, Stevie Ray, Bret Hart Team Wolfpac consisted of: Kevin Nash, Sting, Lex Luger 8 maineventers and Stevie Ray, I was pissed they left Hall off in the undercard. Stevie Ray didn't get beat down that often and the reason why he was in there to was help Hogan get the World Title shot, but Warrior stopped all that.
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Post by AriadosMan on Dec 5, 2007 14:54:22 GMT -5
Micwork? Hell yes. Wrestling itself? Not so much.
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 5, 2007 15:08:17 GMT -5
Yes, the match was crappy just because of the Gang. It's Gang's fault that Konnan did that horrific flying headscissors from the top rope, it's Gang's fault that Konnan went for a 2nd dropkick (after Gang sold the first one like being shot) with about a foot of space inbetween them. It's also Gang's fault that Konnan went for a "missed dropkick" spot nowhere near Gang for it to have looked like Gang had caused him to miss. Should I keep going and mention the horrible splash through the ropes, the horrid splash from the apron, and the SAME splash from the top for the finish? True, Konnan was responislbe for a lot of the problems, but it would be very unfair to pin all of the blame on him. The point was that someone took Konnan's word about Gang "not selling" as truth and the reason the match was bad when both guys are obviously to blame.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 5, 2007 15:16:56 GMT -5
True, Konnan was responislbe for a lot of the problems, but it would be very unfair to pin all of the blame on him. The point was that someone took Konnan's word about Gang "not selling" as truth and the reason the match was bad when both guys are obviously to blame. Oh, I get it now.
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