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Post by hollywood on Dec 8, 2007 14:27:00 GMT -5
I don't want to really disrespect him, like I said, he was a favorite of mine once. But I don't respect his opinion on TNA. After the week I described took place I simply decided not to waste my time reading Lance's TNA thoughts anymore. And Hollywood, I doubt you agree with everything Lance thinks either. He's said a couple of times that he thinks Bobby Roode is one of the best talents in the company (even wrestled his last match against him). So he has. He's also praised Bobby Lashley, whom I loathe. So, you're right, I don't always agree with the guy. But his praise of Roode has made me reconsider my stand on him--like perhaps he has potential, but is just stuck with a crappy gimmick. (So I guess I'll just blame TNA for that, too.) But his opinions on TNA completely reflect my own, sometimes even putting into words the contempt I couldn't vocalize. At this point, the only thing I would call him on is his apparent ongoing fury over the situation. At this point, I'm pretty much "over it." TNA's just going to keep sucking, but I'll keep reading up on them in hopes that some good things happen for the guys on their roster I like.
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Post by thestinger on Dec 8, 2007 14:30:29 GMT -5
But his praise of Roode has made me reconsider my stand on him--like perhaps he has potential, but is just stuck with a crappy gimmick. (So I guess I'll just blame TNA for that, too.) HA! Your opinion is, as always, the exact opposite of mine. To me Roode has a good look, decent charisma, and a great work ethic. The only tool he lacks keeping him from being great is the in-ring talent. The 'crappy gimmick' to which you refer is the one thing about him that's working.
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Post by Mecca on Dec 8, 2007 14:40:51 GMT -5
I'd like to see Lance Storm book TNA he seems to have good ideas, at least to me anyway.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 8, 2007 14:57:20 GMT -5
I'm sorry, Lance is just getting ridiculous now.
And, guys, I'm sorry to dig this back up, but there's absolutely nothing convoluted in the "Team 3D vs. X-Division" feud. You're adding layers of "meaning" and unnecessary dimensions that don't even exist.
If anything, the feud has been a wild success, and has been doing great things for Lethal, MCMG, and now Devine. Hell, 3D themselves haven't been this entertaining in awhile.
It's one thing to say "I get annoyed when TNA overcomplicates things", its another to pick out a pretty straightforward storyline and convince yourself that it's impossible to follow.
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Post by thestinger on Dec 8, 2007 15:26:36 GMT -5
Agreed.
I won't defend the four briefcases thing, which gets even MORE complicated next week -- but I've heard people call TNA stories confusing that simply aren't.
I recall one guy a month or two ago responding to impact spoilers by commenting "This is too confusing! Since when are LAX faces?!" I was like, "Since six months ago."
I have the opposite complaint with TNA. They drag storys out too long. Eric Young Vs. Robert Roode is the one everyone talks about, now it's the Roode fan in the crowd stalking Ms. Brooks.
Does anyone know how long it's going to be before Shelley Martinez stops pretending to be a dude? Everyone figured it out a month ago, TNA.
I want TNA plots to move faster.
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Post by deadguy2322 on Dec 8, 2007 17:56:17 GMT -5
Usually I feel Lance comes up with good points but he's just whining here. Like many have stated before his arguements have serious flaws within them. Anyway since BFG TNA has seemed to significantly turn things around. I would've agreed until a few weeks ago. But that's pretty standard for TNA. A couple good weeks, then a few months of pure, unadulterated s***. Gee, kinda sounds just like WWE, doesn't it? At least the in-ring product on TNA is good. But, then a gain, they are a wrestling company, not a movie company.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Dec 8, 2007 22:03:10 GMT -5
I recall one guy a month or two ago responding to impact spoilers by commenting "This is too confusing! Since when are LAX faces?!" I was like, "Since six months ago." Which happened due to 4 turns done in one angle, it may be hard for some to remember that because it was one segment doing all those turns and to be honest even I've forgotten who went face and went heel at times during that except for Team 3D
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Dec 8, 2007 22:14:23 GMT -5
I wonder why everyone gets so worked up about wha Lance Storm thinks?
I mean he's a retired prowrestler, so he's semifamous, so people pay attentio to what he has to say. He's retired, so he's just pointing out things as he sees it on tv, like any one of us. It jsut so happens that he has a forum t post his thoughts, his website. He's pretty much like any other dude on this forum just posting his thoughts. I don't see why it would force any of you to "lose respect" for the man, or think he's obsessed with some hatred for TnA. He only checks up on it every now and then just so he can see if it got any better, and he just ends up more confused.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Dec 8, 2007 22:27:11 GMT -5
Has anyone ever stopped to just consider that people have different tastes in wrestling?
I was turned off of Vince McMahon's product in 2002. For me, TNA is a grand return to the wrestling I grew up with. I don't see the enormous faults that people like Storm, hollywood, and mecca do and generally just enjoy the shows for what they are. I usually have a good time doing so.
This idea that all true wrestling fans are looking for the same thing is ridiculous. Just because booking a promotion like RoH in EWR will lead you to great success doesn't mean it works like that in real life. You'll have people like Sinister who likes the TNA product, while you'll have people like hollywood who make it a point to remind him that Vince Russo is an idiot.
So what? I have no interest in the new ECW, while the guy with Dr. Kelso in his signature digs the hell out of it. That doesn't mean either view is wrong. It means we look for different things in wrestling. That's why TNA is a good thing. It DOES provide an alternative for some of us, and if you don't like it, maybe it's just not meant for you.
This endless bickering is getting ridiculous. It's akin to a McDonald's eater not getting why a vegetarian doesn't want to try his McRib sandwich.
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Post by capnsteve on Dec 9, 2007 0:35:23 GMT -5
Also for people that go "oh but he lets the WWE have a pass on picks on TNA" you apparently missed this where he explains it.... I saw it, I just think it's stupid to say "I hate crappy booking, unless it's done by a successful company." And I don't think WWE can really "afford" it now, either. The ECW rating has gone steadily downhill, and I'm constantly reading about how Raw set a new record low. Get Don West and Mike Tenay out of the booth right away. They yell and scream like buffoons, when the wrestler cuts a promo they go on and on, just shut the hell up really. Also it doesn't help that they constantly cut to Tenay making retarded faces. This is the kind of thing I wonder about. Have people who say West and Tenay are the worst thing in history ever listened to King and JR? Both teams jabber on endlessly about things that have nothing to do with the match and they both have one member who sounds like he might die whenever he gets excited.
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Post by erisi236 on Dec 9, 2007 0:56:35 GMT -5
Lance Storm hates TNA and "doesn't understand whats going on".
Is there anything really new here?
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Post by hollywood on Dec 9, 2007 1:25:37 GMT -5
I'm sorry, Lance is just getting ridiculous now. And, guys, I'm sorry to dig this back up, but there's absolutely nothing convoluted in the "Team 3D vs. X-Division" feud. You're adding layers of "meaning" and unnecessary dimensions that don't even exist. If anything, the feud has been a wild success, and has been doing great things for Lethal, MCMG, and now Devine. Hell, 3D themselves haven't been this entertaining in awhile. It's one thing to say "I get annoyed when TNA overcomplicates things", its another to pick out a pretty straightforward storyline and convince yourself that it's impossible to follow. Incidentally, I never really said the 3-D/X-Division angle was complicated and/or confusing. I just said the upcoming 6-man tag match to decide who gets "possession" of the belt was stupid.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Dec 9, 2007 1:33:19 GMT -5
I'm sorry, Lance is just getting ridiculous now. And, guys, I'm sorry to dig this back up, but there's absolutely nothing convoluted in the "Team 3D vs. X-Division" feud. You're adding layers of "meaning" and unnecessary dimensions that don't even exist. If anything, the feud has been a wild success, and has been doing great things for Lethal, MCMG, and now Devine. Hell, 3D themselves haven't been this entertaining in awhile. It's one thing to say "I get annoyed when TNA overcomplicates things", its another to pick out a pretty straightforward storyline and convince yourself that it's impossible to follow. Incidentally, I never really said the 3-D/X-Division angle was complicated and/or confusing. I just said the upcoming 6-man tag match to decide who gets "possession" of the belt was stupid. Same here, that was my only complaint (well ok, that and Johnny Devine being the mole after not being on TV for almost a month)
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 9, 2007 8:18:02 GMT -5
Eh, I still don't mind it. It's a reason to have a match that stays true to the characters and storyline, and I like watching matches.
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Post by thestinger on Dec 9, 2007 13:03:10 GMT -5
Which happened due to 4 turns done in one angle, it may be hard for some to remember that because it was one segment doing all those turns and to be honest even I've forgotten who went face and went heel at times during that except for Team 3D Like I said earlier, TNA storylines progress slowly. Team 3D had been acting more and more heelish and LAX were playing to the fans more and more for months before that segment. Therefore four teams did NOT turn in one segment. Scott Steiner turned during that segment and gave the best explanation for a new outlook I've ever heard in a wrestling story -- a legit near death experience. Then at the end of the segment, VKM came out of nowhere to turn heel. That's technically a turn with no buildup, except not one person I know considered them to be faces in the first place since their storyline was them telling Christy that women were useless. And finally, if the segment was six months ago (or more) and someone forgets it took place then shouldn't they still have memories of other segments with LAX as babyfaces? Unless they watch TNA less than twice a year, in which case why are reading spoilers on a message board?
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Post by Ace Diamond on Dec 9, 2007 15:44:51 GMT -5
Which happened due to 4 turns done in one angle, it may be hard for some to remember that because it was one segment doing all those turns and to be honest even I've forgotten who went face and went heel at times during that except for Team 3D Like I said earlier, TNA storylines progress slowly. Team 3D had been acting more and more heelish and LAX were playing to the fans more and more for months before that segment. Therefore four teams did NOT turn in one segment. Scott Steiner turned during that segment and gave the best explanation for a new outlook I've ever heard in a wrestling story -- a legit near death experience. Then at the end of the segment, VKM came out of nowhere to turn heel. That's technically a turn with no buildup, except not one person I know considered them to be faces in the first place since their storyline was them telling Christy that women were useless. And finally, if the segment was six months ago (or more) and someone forgets it took place then shouldn't they still have memories of other segments with LAX as babyfaces? Unless they watch TNA less than twice a year, in which case why are reading spoilers on a message board? LAX to be fair hasn't really done too much that could be considered babyface, at least from what I've seen. They still had their massive goon squad as of about 2 months ago, and I think they attacked Christy Hemme at one point a couple weeks back. But that's my outlook on it and I'll admit that what I remember over the summer is a bit fuzzy.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Dec 9, 2007 19:17:39 GMT -5
[...and I think they attacked Christy Hemme at one point... wouldn't attacking Christy Hemme make anyone a bigger face?
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Post by thestinger on Dec 9, 2007 20:00:55 GMT -5
But that's my outlook on it and I'll admit that what I remember over the summer is a bit fuzzy. Well I'm glad you admit that because they've been faces for a long time, since about (but not at the exact moment) when Konnan left. They teamed with Samoa Joe in a bunch of Impact main events since the show went to two hours, had a match of the year candidate with xXx and Bound For Glory and then challenged the AJ and Tomko for the TNA tag belts (and lost). And Homocide and Hernandez never attacked Christy. She interfered in their match and they had Shelley Martinez attack her back. Man on woman violence isn't allowed on Spike TV.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Dec 9, 2007 20:02:20 GMT -5
But that's my outlook on it and I'll admit that what I remember over the summer is a bit fuzzy. Well I'm glad you admit that because they've been faces for a long time, since about (but not at the exact moment) when Konnan left. They teamed with Samoa Joe in a bunch of Impact main events since the show went to two hours, had a match of the year candidate with xXx and Bound For Glory and then challenged the AJ and Tomko for the TNA tag belts (and lost). And Homocide and Hernandez never attacked Christy. She interfered in their match and they had Shelley Martinez attack her back. Man on woman violence isn't allowed on Spike TV. They laid hands on her though, if we are to recall Hoyt's main complaint.
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Post by thestinger on Dec 9, 2007 20:04:16 GMT -5
They laid hands on her though, if we are to recall Hoyt's main complaint. That's because Hoyt is too stupid to realize that the LAX member who hit her is Shelley Martinez "in disguise." She's wearing a bandana and shades but you can clearly see her rack. I mentioned this earlier as an example of TNA dragging out storylines for waaaaay too long.
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