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Post by Panda Bear on Dec 9, 2007 20:04:20 GMT -5
At least the in-ring product on TNA is good. But, then a gain, they are a wrestling company, not a movie company. LAWL
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Dec 9, 2007 22:42:08 GMT -5
I don't want to really disrespect him, like I said, he was a favorite of mine once. But I don't respect his opinion on TNA. After the week I described took place I simply decided not to waste my time reading Lance's TNA thoughts anymore. And Hollywood, I doubt you agree with everything Lance thinks either. He's said a couple of times that he thinks Bobby Roode is one of the best talents in the company (even wrestled his last match against him). then why did you read this, buddy? because you like to complain about something? makes sense look, the guy was one of the most talented workers in the business... he knows what he's talking about... he's not the disco inferno... lance storm didn't suck. he is expressing the anger he feels when he sits down and watches a wrestling show with THE MOST TALENTED workers in the business today... and every single one of them are underutilized... it's rediculous.
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Dec 9, 2007 22:47:43 GMT -5
I don't want to really disrespect him, like I said, he was a favorite of mine once. But I don't respect his opinion on TNA. After the week I described took place I simply decided not to waste my time reading Lance's TNA thoughts anymore. And Hollywood, I doubt you agree with everything Lance thinks either. He's said a couple of times that he thinks Bobby Roode is one of the best talents in the company (even wrestled his last match against him). then why did you read this, buddy? because you like to complain about something? makes sense look, the guy was one of the most talented workers in the business... he knows what he's talking about... he's not the disco inferno... lance storm didn't suck. he is expressing the anger he feels when he sits down and watches a wrestling show with THE MOST TALENTED workers in the business today... and every single one of them are underutilized... it's rediculous. And he writes his material, though its VERY stiff, is also coming from a fan who really wants the promotion to succeed. It's like a drug addict: you have to hit rock bottom before you realize it, and then you get better from there. With the way booking is, TNA may lose fans before it gains some, but I think over time with better booking and with younger guys going over, this promotion maybe a force to be reckoned with.
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Post by Hensley on Dec 10, 2007 3:13:58 GMT -5
So, I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and guess that Mr. Storm is not a fan of TNA Wrestling? Anyone else feeling the negative energy???
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Dec 10, 2007 3:45:57 GMT -5
So, I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and guess that Mr. Storm is not a fan of TNA Wrestling? Anyone else feeling the negative energy??? and your limb breaks... good guts though! he actually IS a fan, you can tell from reading his other articles... thats WHY he's so harsh. TNA will never succeed if they don't wisen up fast. they'll just be a flash in the pan. they've got everything they need to become huge, they just cant get far enough off the ground due to their highly un-entertaining show...
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Post by thestinger on Dec 10, 2007 10:38:20 GMT -5
then why did you read this, buddy? because you like to complain about something? makes sense I read every thread on this board about TNA. But I still didn't bother going to Lance's site to read his thoughts. To do that would have been just as stupid as your screen name. look, the guy was one of the most talented workers in the business... he knows what he's talking about... Yes, he was one of the most talented workers in teh business, but no, he doesn't always know what he's talking about. Unless YOU think Robert Roode is one of the most talented guys in the company. ... and every single one of them are underutilized... it's rediculous. No exaggerating to such an extent is 'rediculous.'
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Post by hollywood on Dec 10, 2007 10:46:17 GMT -5
then why did you read this, buddy? because you like to complain about something? makes sense I read every thread on this board about TNA. But I still didn't bother going to Lance's site to read his thoughts. To do that would have been just as stupid as your screen name. Yes, he was one of the most talented workers in teh business, but no, he doesn't always know what he's talking about. Unless YOU think Robert Roode is one of the most talented guys in the company. ... and every single one of them are underutilized... it's rediculous. No exaggerating to such an extent is 'rediculous.' Easy tiger. There's no need to get harsh. And I think accusing Lance of not knowing what he's talking about is a stretch. He worked in the top three US promotions during wrestling's boom period, and he did very well in 2 out of 3. And even in the one he didn't reach as much prominence in (WWE), he was still very respected. Like I said, I don't agree with Lance's praise of guys like Bobby Lashley (I'm will to give Roode a pass, since I might like him under a different gimmick). But just because I don't agree with him, doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Post by thestinger on Dec 10, 2007 10:50:57 GMT -5
Easy tiger. There's no need to get harsh. I matched his tone while addressing me exactly. Unless he's one of those guys who pops into a discussion, talks to someone with disdain and then plays the victim and goes fishing for sympathy when he gets the same in return, I don't think he'll care that I think his screen name is stupid. And I think accusing Lance of not knowing what he's talking about is a stretch. I didn't say Lance doesn't know what he's talking about. I said he doesn't "always" know what he's talking about. He praised Tylene Buck for christ's sake because she 'always worked hard' despite here being perhaps the least talented individual I've seen on a tv screen. P.S. Not making it in WWE after being a success in wrestling companies is proof to me that a person has an abundance of wrestling talent, and not a huge amount of microphone skills.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 10, 2007 11:15:25 GMT -5
Easy tiger. There's no need to get harsh. I matched his tone while addressing me exactly. Unless he's one of those guys who pops into a discussion, talks to someone with disdain and then plays the victim and goes fishing for sympathy when he gets the same in return, I don't think he'll care that I think his screen name is stupid. None of my business anyways. Just trying to keep ya out of trouble. Fair enough. However, when his TNA sentiments tend to be reflected by a LOT of other people, both here as well as other journalists and workers, I think he's got a little bit of credibility. For the record, Lance has always readily admitted this.
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Post by thestinger on Dec 10, 2007 11:44:09 GMT -5
However, when his TNA sentiments tend to be reflected by a LOT of other people, both here as well as other journalists and workers, I think he's got a little bit of credibility. Not with me about this subject. I will say that I don't think he's ever said anything about TNA that is wrong like a lot of those other 'journalists.' I just think he's very selective. He never says ANYTHING good, even when an objective person should be able to admit there are good things on the show. TNA is currently a mix of good and bad. Thanksgiving night, we had a fantastic main event with AJ Styles, Samoa Joe and Chris Sabin. Then the loser had to wear a turkey suit. For me, the match was so good I could overlook the turkey suit, while acknowledging I shouldn't have to. If Lance HAD commented on the Thanksgiving show his statement would undoubtedly have read, "What am embarrassment to have a show end with a wrestler dressed up in a silly costume!" True, perhaps, but without even mentioning the amazing 25 minute long match it becomes misleading, perhaps even a little dishonest in my book. And I have no doubt that is exactly what he would have said. He points out the bad, and gives no credit for the good. In fact, he blatanly states there is no good, which is why he's got no credibility with me on this topic. For the record, Lance has always readily admitted this. To be honest, a person without mic skills and tons of wrestling talent should know better than to bother signing with WWE at this point. If they can't (or rather won't) use guys like Storm or Malenko right then the talented wrestlers shouldn't waste their time in MacMahon-land.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 10, 2007 11:56:04 GMT -5
However, when his TNA sentiments tend to be reflected by a LOT of other people, both here as well as other journalists and workers, I think he's got a little bit of credibility. Not with me about this subject. I will say that I don't think he's ever said anything about TNA that is wrong like a lot of those other 'journalists.' I just think he's very selective. He never says ANYTHING good, even when an objective person should be able to admit there are good things on the show. TNA is currently a mix of good and bad. Thanksgiving night, we had a fantastic main event with AJ Styles, Samoa Joe and Chris Sabin. Then the loser had to wear a turkey suit. For me, the match was so good I could overlook the turkey suit, while acknowledging I shouldn't have to. If Lance HAD commented on the Thanksgiving show his statement would undoubtedly have read, "What am embarrassment to have a show end with a wrestler dressed up in a silly costume!" True, perhaps, but without even mentioning the amazing 25 minute long match it becomes misleading, perhaps even a little dishonest in my book. And I have no doubt that is exactly what he would have said. He points out the bad, and gives no credit for the good. In fact, he blatanly states there is no good, which is why he's got no credibility with me on this topic. He did comment on that show, but he was very brief. He said the Thanksgiving segments were really bad and he finally changed the channel. He said making your world champ look like a goof the way they did was really stupid, but that's about it. Since he changed the channel, I assume he missed that match. Personally, I liked it, and I didn't have a problem with the turkey suit, either. It was just a holiday goof-off segment, and there's nothing wrong with those once in a while. Well, for starters, he never really signed with WWE. He was still under contact with WCW when McMahon bought them. And apparently, the McMahons (or maybe just Shane) saw some potential in him, since he delivered the first shot in the "InVasion." But that's beside the point...point is, he never tried to sign with them. And also, there are plenty of guys who aren't the best talkers in the world that did just fine in WWE. RVD, for example.
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Post by thestinger on Dec 10, 2007 12:00:04 GMT -5
And also, there are plenty of guys who are the best talkers in the world that did just fine in WWE. RVD, for example. Right, which is why I said that "a person WITHOUT mic skills" shouldn't even bother trying to make it there. They'll just end up jobbing to roided up freaks who "have a good look" before getting a silly gimmick or getting released.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 10, 2007 12:01:29 GMT -5
And also, there are plenty of guys who are the best talkers in the world that did just fine in WWE. RVD, for example. Right, which is why I said that "a person WITHOUT mic skills" shouldn't even bother trying to make it there. They'll just end up jobbing to roided up freaks who "have a good look" before getting a silly gimmick or getting released. Oops! That should've said "aren't." My bad. I've since corrected it. ;D
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Post by thestinger on Dec 10, 2007 12:04:38 GMT -5
Oops! That should've said "aren't." My bad. I've since corrected it. ;D Ok, gotcha. Well I still disagree (are you shocked?) ;D RVD WAS a decent to good talker in ECW, but according to RVD WWE gave him scripts where all he was allowed to say was "Cool" and "Dude." That is his opinion, not mine, I never saw RVD in WWE. It sounds to me like that was another case of a guy not being used to his full potential because of WWE being stupid. Even if he did find some success in the company.
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Post by Leaving after 1,600 on Dec 10, 2007 12:06:08 GMT -5
As a booker/promoter I'll tell you this, if you're going to have a match that has a guarentee in the stipulations then the effect of that guarentee should be seen/announced that night, especially if I'm paying 40 dollars for the damn thing. When you order boxing and it come down to a time limit draw they don't say and we will announce the verdict next week on ESPN, people want to know what were the results of what they just paid to watch. It's bad booking by TNA (maybe not Russo maybe someone else wrote it) people want results you don't make money by dicking over the fans.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 10, 2007 12:10:42 GMT -5
Oops! That should've said "aren't." My bad. I've since corrected it. ;D Ok, gotcha. Well I still disagree (are you shocked?) ;D RVD WAS a decent to good talker in ECW, but according to RVD WWE gave him scripts where all he was allowed to say was "Cool" and "Dude." That is his opinion, not mine, I never saw RVD in WWE. It sounds to me like that was another case of a guy not being used to his full potential because of WWE being stupid. Even if he did find some success in the company. They allowed him to express himself more during his last year with the company, and they made him World Champion (albeit briefly). I think he found a LOT of success, and it's hard to be used to a higher potential than World Champ. As a booker/promoter I'll tell you this, if you're going to have a match that has a guarentee in the stipulations then the effect of that guarentee should be seen/announced that night, especially if I'm paying 40 dollars for the damn thing. When you order boxing and it come down to a time limit draw they don't say and we will announce the verdict next week on ESPN, people want to know what were the results of what they just paid to watch. It's bad booking by TNA (maybe not Russo maybe someone else wrote it) people want results you don't make money by dicking over the fans. Agree 100%. Incidentally, what promotion do you book for? And where's it located?
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Post by thestinger on Dec 10, 2007 12:16:29 GMT -5
They allowed him to express himself more during his last year with the company, and they made him World Champion (albeit briefly). I think he found a LOT of success, and it's hard to be used to a higher potential than World Champ. Well I don't know enough to debate you on this subject. I will simply point out that if he was being used so why did he choose to leave the company when it was reported that the company offered him a very large sum to stay? As a booker/promoter I'll tell you this, if you're going to have a match that has a guarentee in the stipulations then the effect of that guarentee should be seen/announced that night, especially if I'm paying 40 dollars for the damn thing. When you order boxing and it come down to a time limit draw they don't say and we will announce the verdict next week on ESPN, people want to know what were the results of what they just paid to watch. It's bad booking by TNA (maybe not Russo maybe someone else wrote it) people want results you don't make money by dicking over the fans. I too agree. Since I knew I'd be at the impact tapings this week, I knew that *I* would find out the results in two days, but that was the only thing that kept me from getting angry. Incidentally, they drag it out for the entire show revealing who gets what bit by bit all throughout the show airing this Thursday.
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Post by Leaving after 1,600 on Dec 10, 2007 12:17:28 GMT -5
Ok, gotcha. Well I still disagree (are you shocked?) ;D RVD WAS a decent to good talker in ECW, but according to RVD WWE gave him scripts where all he was allowed to say was "Cool" and "Dude." That is his opinion, not mine, I never saw RVD in WWE. It sounds to me like that was another case of a guy not being used to his full potential because of WWE being stupid. Even if he did find some success in the company. They allowed him to express himself more during his last year with the company, and they made him World Champion (albeit briefly). I think he found a LOT of success, and it's hard to be used to a higher potential than World Champ. As a booker/promoter I'll tell you this, if you're going to have a match that has a guarentee in the stipulations then the effect of that guarentee should be seen/announced that night, especially if I'm paying 40 dollars for the damn thing. When you order boxing and it come down to a time limit draw they don't say and we will announce the verdict next week on ESPN, people want to know what were the results of what they just paid to watch. It's bad booking by TNA (maybe not Russo maybe someone else wrote it) people want results you don't make money by dicking over the fans. Agree 100%. Incidentally, what promotion do you book for? And where's it located? UWL in Akron, Ohio
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Dec 10, 2007 12:18:15 GMT -5
then why did you read this, buddy? because you like to complain about something? makes sense I read every thread on this board about TNA. But I still didn't bother going to Lance's site to read his thoughts. To do that would have been just as stupid as your screen name. Yes, he was one of the most talented workers in teh business, but no, he doesn't always know what he's talking about. Unless YOU think Robert Roode is one of the most talented guys in the company. ... and every single one of them are underutilized... it's rediculous. No exaggerating to such an extent is 'rediculous.' damn that's two days in a row that i've been flamed. i love this board. you didnt match my tone. i said it looks like you want something to complain about. you claimed you dont read his TNA commentaries, then you commented on his most recent TNA commentary... ya know what that looks like from someone who's not you? kinda looks like you're reading it to find something to complain about. and i DO think robert roode is great. he's working his gimmick like a charm, and the guy can actually go in the ring... he's no bret or owen, but he's also no scott steiner. and no, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM are not being misused... but when you look at the ratio of talented cats being used properly to being misused, it's depressing. TNA could easily build their company around new up and comming guys... we have a handfull of those types in the main event (samoa joe, aj styles, etc) but there are so many talented guys in that company that they could have so much more... and i never said Lance knows what he's talking about ALWAYS... but he sure as hell knows alot more than a bunch of people arguing over what he's saying on an internet messageboard.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 10, 2007 12:22:16 GMT -5
They allowed him to express himself more during his last year with the company, and they made him World Champion (albeit briefly). I think he found a LOT of success, and it's hard to be used to a higher potential than World Champ. Well I don't know enough to debate you on this subject. I will simply point out that if he was being used so why did he choose to leave the company when it was reported that the company offered him a very large sum to stay? Speculation abounds on this one... He lost the title shortly after he was arrested for possession of marijuana, likely to avoid the bad publicity associated with having your top star in the press for that. He pretty much dropped to "main eventer stuck at midcard status" for a while, although he was involved in the Originals/New Breed feud--which is probably still the best angle ECW ever had. The impression is he left because he needed some time off. It happens to anyone. In interviews since, he's never blasted the company and said he wanted out as soon as possible. He's just said he wanted time to try some other things for a while (likely marijuana-related). There's been rumors that he'll resurface in TNA someday. Based on what little I've read, I get the impression he just needed a vacation. Wrestling is a pretty grueling schedule. Incidentally, what promotion do you book for? And where's it located? UWL in Akron, Ohio Damn. I'm always curious about an indy promotion within driving distance from me, but that's a bit too far north. You guys have a website?
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