Lesnar fighting in UFC 81

[Mr.K-itty]

im assuming this may be old to some of you but im on the ufc site now (i was actually trying to figure out what this interim world welterweight thing was all about between GSP and Hughes) but then i noticed UFC 81 Frank Mir v Brock Lesnar...we knew it was coming but this quickly???
i dunno i guess im just a bit surprised to see lesnar and his "stellar" 1-0 record to be ufc material so soon...i guess we'll see...i hope im not too late/behind the times with this...

edit: i guess the question is. is there money to be made and will it draw???

[Mr Ismaeal Naji]

well brock got paid lots to join to UFC and a dirty little rumor was randy quit because of that, even though publicly randy says he wants to fight the great Fedor and dana didn't deliver

and Brock will kill mir

[Edison taps to the ARMBAR!]

Frank Mir will win Via submission.

[Kevin Hamilton]

Be interesting to see if Brock succeeds.

[Massive G]

I'm pretty sure that Brock will murder that guy.

[Edison taps to the ARMBAR!]

johnnyvulture said:

I'm pretty sure that Brock will murder that guy.

What are you using to come to that conclusion?

Just curious.

EDIT
To support my above conclusion that Frank Mir will win:

Brock is a wrestler, he has not trained long in striking, so he will want to take the fight to the ground. Mir is a BJJ fighter. While wrestling (amatuer) is great at taken a guy down and keeping him there, its submission abilities fail in comparison to BJJ. BJJ on the other hand will murder on the ground, but has trouble getting a guy there sometimes. So if Brock takes Mir down, that will actually be helping Mir. Mir will take him into guard and work for an armbar or triangle or something else.

[Indigocrates]

Good f***, if Mir defeats Lesnar, wrestling fans will never hear the end of it.

[SassovsHart]

I wouldn't put him in against pre-accident Mir this soon, but against this current version of Mir I think he can pull it off as long as he doesn't try to force things on the ground early and play right into one of Mir's submissions. If he's patient, Mir will probably gas pretty quickly. He also needs to watch the tape of Mir vs. Sylvia and not try to escape an armbar by slamming him.

[greate]

well brock got paid lots to join to UFC and a dirty little rumor was randy quit because of that, even though publicly randy says he wants to fight the great Fedor and dana didn't deliver

and Brock will kill mir

Eeeeeh what? First of all that "dirty little rumor" doesn't make any sense, you saying Randy quit because he thinks Brock is getting paid too much? Please, UFC loyals should accept the fact that Randy wanted no part of dana white anymore because at 43 years the only man he wanted to face was the best in the world Fedor Emelianko and White couldn't get it done.

Oh and what on earth makes you think "Brock will kill Mir" with his 1-0 record? Mir is a veteran and battle tested you think a rookie like Lesnar would take him? Stop buying all the hype.

[Massive G]

edisoncarasio said:

johnnyvulture said:

I'm pretty sure that Brock will murder that guy.

What are you using to come to that conclusion?

Just curious.

EDIT
To support my above conclusion that Frank Mir will win:

Brock is a wrestler, he has not trained long in striking, so he will want to take the fight to the ground. Mir is a BJJ fighter. While wrestling (amatuer) is great at taken a guy down and keeping him there, its submission abilities fail in comparison to BJJ. BJJ on the other hand will murder on the ground, but has trouble getting a guy there sometimes. So if Brock takes Mir down, that will actually be helping Mir. Mir will take him into guard and work for an armbar or triangle or something else.

Frank Mir got knocked out by a guy who was giving up 4 inches and 50 pounds to him. I'm not saying he WILL lose, I said I was pretty sure that Brock will kill him. I'm not using any hard data or analysis to come to this conclusion, I just feel that way.

And he is new to striking, but in his 1 fight he won by submission by strikes. That's the only reason I may go the other way, just because Brock is still kind of new to it.

[Edison taps to the ARMBAR!]

greate said:

well brock got paid lots to join to UFC and a dirty little rumor was randy quit because of that, even though publicly randy says he wants to fight the great Fedor and dana didn't deliver

and Brock will kill mir

Eeeeeh what? First of all that "dirty little rumor" doesn't make any sense, you saying Randy quit because he thinks Brock is getting paid too much? Please, UFC loyals should accept the fact that Randy wanted no part of dana white anymore because at 43 years the only man he wanted to face was the best in the world Fedor Emelianko and White couldn't get it done.

Oh and what on earth makes you think "Brock will kill Mir" with his 1-0 record? Mir is a veteran and battle tested you think a rookie like Lesnar would take him? Stop buying all the hype.

Not to mention that Mir is a former UFC Heavy Weight Champion with a 50 second win over Tim Sylvia (who is also a former champ, and a top dog in the game). If anyone is gonna get killed, it's gonna be Brock.

I'm not saying he will, but Mir > Brock is more likely than Mir < Brock.

[Edison taps to the ARMBAR!]

johnnyvulture said:

edisoncarasio said:

What are you using to come to that conclusion?

Just curious.

EDIT
To support my above conclusion that Frank Mir will win:

Brock is a wrestler, he has not trained long in striking, so he will want to take the fight to the ground. Mir is a BJJ fighter. While wrestling (amatuer) is great at taken a guy down and keeping him there, its submission abilities fail in comparison to BJJ. BJJ on the other hand will murder on the ground, but has trouble getting a guy there sometimes. So if Brock takes Mir down, that will actually be helping Mir. Mir will take him into guard and work for an armbar or triangle or something else.

Frank Mir got knocked out by a guy who was giving up 4 inches and 50 pounds to him. I'm not saying he WILL lose, I said I was pretty sure that Brock will kill him. I'm not using any hard data or analysis to come to this conclusion, I just feel that way.

And he is new to striking, but in his 1 fight he won by submission by strikes. That's the only reason I may go the other way, just because Brock is still kind of new to it.

Ground and pound strikes is not related to stand up strikes. Two different types of striking. His GnP has more to due with wrestling than it does with say boxing or another striking art.

[Reverend BTY]

Since it's post-accident Mir, I'm giving it to Brock.

[Psy]

I can not wait for the fight.

[voiceboxisback]

I think both have a good chance, I think Mir will have trouble with Lesnar on the ground due to how good of a amateur wrestler Brock was 101-4-1 and how strong of a base Brock has...

[Angus Mcloud]

youtube.com/watch?v=2n9zJHahEBI

i just found it and i got a chuckle

[T Vang is a HO-DADDY~!]

You can't bring up fights that Mir had before his accident. That's like saying "Ricky Williams is awesome. I saw him in 1998 run a 50 yarder and break 5 tackles" It's simply not the same guy.

Also, the great equalizer on the ground is strength. Brock's wrestling skill combined with his very superior strength will be able to counteract any type of bjj advantage Mir has.

[twiggy101]

So will UFC 81 air for free on Spike TV or on PPV?

[Psy]

Their website says PPV.

[T Vang is a HO-DADDY~!]

psychotideman said:

Their website says PPV.

Yeah, they're gonna do the same thing they did with the Franklin-Okami PPV. Which is, they will play it live in the afternoon (USA time) then again at the normal slot in the evening.