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Post by iamthegamewjwf on Dec 21, 2007 10:29:40 GMT -5
So is Samoa Joe a heel now?
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Post by greate on Dec 21, 2007 10:33:47 GMT -5
Inspiring, i don't know he's a guy who's reactions are about to fade.
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Post by toodarkmark on Dec 21, 2007 10:58:47 GMT -5
I think he's gonna play the anti-joke that TNA has become. Its all one long running gag and Samoa Joe is the one who represents the fans who hate the gag. And he's tapped into the Vince Russo thing of reading the dirt sheets and booking around them.
Wrestlers who want more money, low moral, are sick of the gags. All those Observer reports, and Samoa Joe is gonna represent it and be angry.
I watched Samoa Joe vs AJ Styles from 2005 and I realized how much both have lightened up their workrate. I guess they just dont care as much. Oh well.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 21, 2007 11:04:33 GMT -5
I think he's gonna play the anti-joke that TNA has become. Its all one long running gag and Samoa Joe is the one who represents the fans who hate the gag. And he's tapped into the Vince Russo thing of reading the dirt sheets and booking around them. Wrestlers who want more money, low moral, are sick of the gags. All those Observer reports, and Samoa Joe is gonna represent it and be angry. I watched Samoa Joe vs AJ Styles from 2005 and I realized how much both have lightened up their workrate. I guess they just dont care as much. Oh well. Or maybe because it doesn't have to be always be about "workrate"? |
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Post by ilikeRusso. on Dec 21, 2007 11:05:41 GMT -5
Or there Succesfull at maintaining such a high rate of working that theres no further they can go maybe???
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Post by toodarkmark on Dec 21, 2007 11:37:36 GMT -5
I think he's gonna play the anti-joke that TNA has become. Its all one long running gag and Samoa Joe is the one who represents the fans who hate the gag. And he's tapped into the Vince Russo thing of reading the dirt sheets and booking around them. Wrestlers who want more money, low moral, are sick of the gags. All those Observer reports, and Samoa Joe is gonna represent it and be angry. I watched Samoa Joe vs AJ Styles from 2005 and I realized how much both have lightened up their workrate. I guess they just dont care as much. Oh well. Or maybe because it doesn't have to be always be about "workrate"? Samoa Joe built his reputation on workrate. It wasnt on his look or personality or politics. He came in, kicked ass, worked stiff yet athletic and won the crowd over. I think ever since his feud with Angle finished, its just been a lower workrate. Its doesnt always have to be about workrate but with Joe, it should be or his character just dies down. Which I think is happening. |
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 21, 2007 11:41:08 GMT -5
Or maybe because it doesn't have to be always be about "workrate"? Samoa Joe built his reputation on workrate. It wasnt on his look or personality or politics. He came in, kicked ass, worked stiff yet athletic and won the crowd over. I think ever since his feud with Angle finished, its just been a lower workrate. Its doesnt always have to be about workrate but with Joe, it should be or his character just dies down. Which I think is happening. I thought it was about his reputation of kicking people's ass in TNA less than having great matches. |
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 21, 2007 11:49:00 GMT -5
I think he's gonna play the anti-joke that TNA has become. Its all one long running gag and Samoa Joe is the one who represents the fans who hate the gag. And he's tapped into the Vince Russo thing of reading the dirt sheets and booking around them. Wrestlers who want more money, low moral, are sick of the gags. All those Observer reports, and Samoa Joe is gonna represent it and be angry. I watched Samoa Joe vs AJ Styles from 2005 and I realized how much both have lightened up their workrate. I guess they just dont care as much. Oh well. If that was the case, Joe representing the pure wrestlers who are getting lost in the jokes and is fed up with it, then I'd have no problem with it. But the way they're writing him makes him seem more like a greedy a-hole than someone who's fighting the system. Man, just let him go wild and don't saddle him with this "My contract sucks, I'm a huge sellout" crap. |
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Post by krzykraka on Dec 21, 2007 12:10:43 GMT -5
The Joe storyline is about the only thing I am interested in TNA right now. The problem is knowing TNA it will just end with no explanation and Joe getting nothing out of it. Much like the Chris Harris deal.
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Post by MGH on Dec 21, 2007 12:14:27 GMT -5
In regards to Joe lowering his workrate, he's had a long string of injuries dating back to his days in ROH. As balls to the wall as he usually wrestles, it was eventually going to catch up with him. If he's slowing it down by choice, I think it's the smartest thing he could have done.
AJ shouldn't be as flashy as he always was, not if he's supposed to be a heel that is despised. AJ does entertain me with his character now, but not nearly as much as he was at the start of the year when he was an actual full blown HEEL.
I'm not really sure what Joe is now, but I'm assuming he's still the badass the fans love. Just turned up to a new level of intensity.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Dec 21, 2007 13:41:23 GMT -5
As long as Joe is not a nice guy, it's all good.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 21, 2007 15:08:01 GMT -5
I'm actually glad Joe's going back to more of a nasty character, and I'm very interested in the number of directions this might go...but I AM concerned that they could screw it up.
But, yeah, there's a LOT of potential in Joe's new direction if they play it right.
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Post by Rube on Dec 21, 2007 16:18:24 GMT -5
I think he's gonna play the anti-joke that TNA has become. Its all one long running gag and Samoa Joe is the one who represents the fans who hate the gag. And he's tapped into the Vince Russo thing of reading the dirt sheets and booking around them. Wrestlers who want more money, low moral, are sick of the gags. All those Observer reports, and Samoa Joe is gonna represent it and be angry. I watched Samoa Joe vs AJ Styles from 2005 and I realized how much both have lightened up their workrate. I guess they just dont care as much. Oh well. That's funny, seeing how AJ's "workrate" has improved drastically. |
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Post by humorousled on Dec 21, 2007 16:51:41 GMT -5
I am hating the Samoa Joe angle right now. While I hope that the angle will work out, I am not sure about this working out. I don't trust Russo at all and he has lost his mind as his storylines are making less and less sense all of the time. Samoa Joe should be the top contender for the TNA championship and face the winner of Angle/Christian in Feburary. Russo has to go, period. TNA needs to simplify their storylines and focus on the in-ring action since this is TNA's strength. Let WWE do the sports-entertainment stuff while TNA focuses on being a wrestling company. This will let TNA stand out from WWE and build their own audience.
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Post by Danimal on Dec 21, 2007 20:47:06 GMT -5
Why is assumed anything you question is Russo's fault? He isn't the only guy to write something dumb.
There was plenty of bad writing before he came back. IMO the writing is a little better.
I used find a lot of angles/promos almost embarrassing. Now the majority(not all but a respectable amount) are worth watching.
As far as this angle goes it is hard to say. It could get Joe's edge back or it could be like Daniels's main-eventer build-up that got abruptly stopped I don't know if he is turning heel, becoming a tweener, or just changing the nature of his face-character. He is as whiny as Harris, I wouldn't say he is doing the same gimmick, he is just more pissed-off guy.
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Post by Joekishi on Dec 21, 2007 21:47:44 GMT -5
i'm actually happier with this direction like i said last week, if they changed him to a more heelish "I don't get paid enough" character playing off of the dirtsheets that he's unsatisfied with his contract. I'm all for it.
Not that he can play a Terry Bollea serious type or an MVP comedy type of situation.
I think his direction of being a greedy fat jew will work out in the end.
especially in the inevitable fued with Chris Harris who does have a legitimate reasoning for being pissed off
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Post by pacino on Dec 22, 2007 0:20:47 GMT -5
Or maybe because it doesn't have to be always be about "workrate"? Samoa Joe built his reputation on workrate. It wasnt on his look or personality or politics. He came in, kicked ass, worked stiff yet athletic and won the crowd over. I think ever since his feud with Angle finished, its just been a lower workrate. Its doesnt always have to be about workrate but with Joe, it should be or his character just dies down. Which I think is happening. that's the complete wrong way to go about a lengthy, rewarding wrestling career. Going '110 percent' does nothing but deflate the importance of high spots and ignore the importance and really important submission aspects of pro wrestling. It also doesn't make sense to 'do more' when it simply kills your and your opponent's body. Sell, do less, and watch the fans actually get more into it that match than just a spotfest. |
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Post by Joekishi on Dec 22, 2007 1:01:38 GMT -5
that's what a lot of guys switching from the indies to WWE or TNA don't get, you have to save your best stuff for the PPV.
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