KEJB
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Post by KEJB on Dec 19, 2007 11:31:04 GMT -5
I honestly feel ROH has "jumped the shark".
The PPV crap is ruining the flow of shows. Both live, and on the dvd.
They are now totally putting all the emphasis on a few markets. (NY, CHI, PHILLY). Everywhere else gets weak lead ins, or matches that are not even in question as to who will win. I was totally dis-interested at the last Detroit show.
There is a LOT more storyline in ROH now, and it shows. Many people have said, the constant interview and promos during the show is a little much. The In -ring product is suffering too. Matches are given less time, and guys go into overkill mode to win over the crowd.
I dunno. I just am having a very difficult time staying interested right now.
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Hiroshi Hase
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 19, 2007 11:37:36 GMT -5
I don't know if it's falling off, but I must admit I'm not as interested in it as I once was a year or two ago.
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Post by The Wrestling Rambler on Dec 19, 2007 11:44:36 GMT -5
If anything I'm more into ROH than I was a year or two ago.
Yeah there's more storylines, but not much more than it should be taking on. It's making the feuds more interesting. Yes the matches are maybe shorter, but around 15mins is enough time for any match to run (not counting the main events).
I feel this is the strongest the roster has ever been. Alright theres no Joe, Homicide, Daniels due to TNA pulling them out. But I remember watching not so long ago and you'd have big names, and then some wrestlers who really didn't seem to cut it in a "pure wrestling" company. It now seems, top to bottom of the card, that every wrestler is fantastic, and with that, every match is great.
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Fundertaker
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Post by Fundertaker on Dec 19, 2007 12:20:01 GMT -5
It seems like the "King's Road" All Japan to the 98-2000 All Japan and NOAH until now. The first was a joy to watch, with everything booked almost to perfection (the "Four Lords Of Heaven" matches, "Supernova" Jun Akiyama and his rise), the second one gives enphasis to one aspect and everthing else drops in quality (headrop wrestling takes place to actual great booked wrestling).
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KLRA
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Post by KLRA on Dec 19, 2007 12:26:16 GMT -5
ROH really goes in cycles. They'll have 6-7 months where they're booked really well and everything is clicking, and then 4-5 months where they're tinkering around with stuff and the product falls off slightly before they start clicking again.
Yeah, the PPV sort of is an albatross around their neck right now because they're really booking towards the PPVs instead of the DVD release schedual which was how many of their fans followed them originally.
I think honestly once they learn to work the PPVs better (seeing as how we're not seeing the World Title Change on PPV until next month when there's already DVDs out with the new title holder) it will get better.
But I do agree with the only booking strongly in certain markets. However, those are the markets that have shown that ROH can draw strong in, so it makes some sense.
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Post by Cypress on Dec 19, 2007 12:32:58 GMT -5
the man up PPV was best of the year according to all the smark sites, havent seen it yet
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hollywood
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Post by hollywood on Dec 19, 2007 12:41:29 GMT -5
I'll agree they aren't as hot as they've been. I think it's true that they're still adjusting to the new schedule now that they have PPVs.
But every company has down periods. I'd like to think they'll get hot again eventually. But it's not like they just flat out suck now. The shows are still very fun to watch, and I've never had a problem with have more storylines. After all, one of their hottest world title reigns was nothing but one huge (light-hearted) anti-WWE angle.
I'm a little disgruntled with the current scheduling due to PPVs, too, though. I really hope they can figure out a way to work around it better. But to say a wrestling promotion has "jumped the shark" seems a little overdramatic to me.
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Post by mysterydriver on Dec 19, 2007 12:56:17 GMT -5
I'm not sure that ROH would jump the shark.
They might lariat it though. Maybe even Mafia Kick it...
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Mozenrath
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 19, 2007 13:19:05 GMT -5
I would say the biggest problem for me, as a casual fan of ROH, would be that Nigel got hurt. Ruined the momentum of the big win over Morishima.
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Jeff
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Post by Jeff on Dec 19, 2007 13:22:27 GMT -5
ROH has been downhill since November of last year.
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bigHEADinc
El Dandy
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Post by bigHEADinc on Dec 19, 2007 13:30:03 GMT -5
I honestly feel ROH has "jumped the shark". The PPV crap is ruining the flow of shows. Both live, and on the dvd. They are now totally putting all the emphasis on a few markets. (NY, CHI, PHILLY). Everywhere else gets weak lead ins, or matches that are not even in question as to who will win. I was totally dis-interested at the last Detroit show. There is a LOT more storyline in ROH now, and it shows. Many people have said, the constant interview and promos during the show is a little much. The In -ring product is suffering too. Matches are given less time, and guys go into overkill mode to win over the crowd. I dunno. I just am having a very difficult time staying interested right now. You are right, the last show in Detroit was completely lackluster. I felt bad because I had brought friends who I thought would have a blast, but even I had to admit that the show was just lacking so much. |
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bobolebowski
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Post by bobolebowski on Dec 19, 2007 13:34:01 GMT -5
I don't know if it's falling off, but I must admit I'm not as interested in it as I once was a year or two ago. I agree totally....The PPVs are good....but the overall product is suffering and isnt that interesting anymore. |
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KEJB
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Post by KEJB on Dec 19, 2007 13:44:59 GMT -5
I honestly feel ROH has "jumped the shark". The PPV crap is ruining the flow of shows. Both live, and on the dvd. They are now totally putting all the emphasis on a few markets. (NY, CHI, PHILLY). Everywhere else gets weak lead ins, or matches that are not even in question as to who will win. I was totally dis-interested at the last Detroit show. There is a LOT more storyline in ROH now, and it shows. Many people have said, the constant interview and promos during the show is a little much. The In -ring product is suffering too. Matches are given less time, and guys go into overkill mode to win over the crowd. I dunno. I just am having a very difficult time staying interested right now. You are right, the last show in Detroit was completely lackluster. I felt bad because I had brought friends who I thought would have a blast, but even I had to admit that the show was just lacking so much. Yeah for sure. I honestly wanted to take off early and find something else to do. I was just bored pretty much the whole second half of the show. |
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Post by Reverend BTY on Dec 19, 2007 13:56:13 GMT -5
As a casual fan, I have followed the PPVs and the 'major' DVDs (DBD and such). That being said, I have no problem with the current product. The fact that they have less 45 minute matches and the like is perfectly fine by me. Are there things I'd change, of course. But that's common for any wrestling fed. But as far as being more emphasis on storylines and angles, I'm fine with that.
In the end, I guess it's more preference than anything else.
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Post by Nice Guy Cody on Dec 19, 2007 14:00:37 GMT -5
This year has seen them through some of the best shows and matches they've put on yet, IMO.
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Post by CuJ0 Will Keep Dancing on Dec 19, 2007 14:09:37 GMT -5
I'm still an ROH fan, and I think this roster is just as good if not better then any other. The last couple months have seemed lackluster. The Age of the Fall stuff was exciting, I was still excited for JJ, Black and Butcher as a stable and I thought the attack on the Briscoes was well done but now it seems to have died down. Like it seemed that they would be a force but so far have been lackluster. I'm also not a big fan of all the stables like I don't really care about The Vulture Squad or Hangm3n. Nigel Mcguinness getting hurt also didn't help the start of his title reign. Hopefully the can get their act together because the talent is there, but it seems a lot of it is just on auto pilot.
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hollywood
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Post by hollywood on Dec 19, 2007 15:19:23 GMT -5
They still entertain me the most out of any current promotion. I love the NRC, and Sweet & Sour, Inc.'s constant abuse of Bobby Dempsey has yet to get old. And I actually like AotF; they're not going to be ROH's version of the nWo or anything, but they're still an intriguing band of heels.
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DJ Peapod
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Post by DJ Peapod on Dec 19, 2007 16:20:59 GMT -5
I'm still am a ROH fan, and I support what they do, but I wasn't crazy for ROH that I was a year ago. Really that crazy ROH-ness love actually went to CHIKARA. Next year...who knows
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The Lodger
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Post by The Lodger on Dec 19, 2007 16:29:25 GMT -5
As a relatively new ROH fan, who got into the product during Manhattan Mayhem 2, I think it's awesome, so I'm still riding high on the whole prodcut.
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Indigocrates
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Post by Indigocrates on Dec 19, 2007 17:52:19 GMT -5
I guess ROH is the new TNA?  |
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