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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 19, 2007 17:55:50 GMT -5
It's falling off?! Quick! get the net! And some glue!
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 19, 2007 17:59:46 GMT -5
I guess ROH is the new TNA? I don't think anyone said that, just that it's not that interesting as it used to be, at least to some people like myself. Factions such as the AOTF I just can't be bothered with as they bore me.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 19, 2007 18:27:09 GMT -5
I've been a ROHbot since 2004, still enjoy the product, but I, personally, go through phases where my interest in the product just isn't what it often is.
That's not always the fault of ROH, it's sometimes just me feeling burned out. To be a fan of ROH is typically to be very deeply interested in it and very into it, so it just wears on you sometimes and you want a break.
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Post by BlackHoleMark on Dec 19, 2007 18:30:03 GMT -5
The same thing happened last year with Homicide's chase for the title, and some people called it the worst ROH ever and things, and then Final Battle came around and blew people away, so it's not really uncommon for ROH to make downswings once in a while.
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Post by The Line on Dec 19, 2007 18:32:19 GMT -5
This year has been a year of ups and downs for ROH. Their main star(Bryan Danielson) was injured for the first half of the year, and then they lost a whole mess of talent because of the PPV deal. So the first half of the year was mainly re-building. Now they are still adjusting to a new booking format with the PPVs and whatnot. I think 07 overall has been an "off" year, but I think they can bounce back and return stronger than ever in 08.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Dec 19, 2007 18:55:45 GMT -5
Now they are still adjusting to a new booking format with the PPVs and whatnot. I think 07 overall has been an "off" year, but I think they can bounce back and return stronger than ever in 08. in ring wise compared with other years this has been somewhat an off year, but over all it has been a successful one: 1) they went more international by returning to England and holding two shows in Japan as well as having Takeshi Morishima appearing regularly as ROH World Champion, thereby having all of his matches broadcast in Japan. they also are trying to continue their expansion in the US with a trip to the west coast (which granted did not go as well as they would have hoped), making Boston once again one of their major markets, and planning a trip to Florida. 2) they expanded to pay-per-view which (despite apparently this one thread) all have been given rave reviews 3) they successfully rebuild their roster (for the third time) after several huge losses in the matter of two months, bringing in several new wrestlers and elevation ones in the company to main event status. 4) their tag team division is the best it has ever been 5) they continued to improve their relationships with Dragon Gate and Pro Wrestling NOAH, bringing the DG wrestlers back during Wrestlemania weekend, and having Mitsuharu Misawa wrestle at Glory by Honor VI
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Post by The Line on Dec 19, 2007 19:04:07 GMT -5
Now they are still adjusting to a new booking format with the PPVs and whatnot. I think 07 overall has been an "off" year, but I think they can bounce back and return stronger than ever in 08. in ring wise compared with other years this has been somewhat an off year, but over all it has been a successful one: 1) they went more international by returning to England and holding two shows in Japan as well as having Takeshi Morishima appearing regularly as ROH World Champion, thereby having all of his matches broadcast in Japan. they also are trying to continue their expansion in the US with a trip to the west coast (which granted did not go as well as they would have hoped), making Boston once again one of their major markets, and planning a trip to Florida. 2) they expanded to pay-per-view which (despite apparently this one thread) all have been given rave reviews 3) they successfully rebuild their roster (for the third time) after several huge losses in the matter of two months, bringing in several new wrestlers and elevation ones in the company to main event status. 4) their tag team division is the best it has ever been 5) they continued to improve their relationships with Dragon Gate and Pro Wrestling NOAH, bringing the DG wrestlers back during Wrestlemania weekend, and having Mitsuharu Misawa wrestle at Glory by Honor VI agreed. Some of these things may have hampered the company short-term, but I think long term, it'll help the company vastly(which is why I think 08 will be a great year).
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Post by Panda Bear on Dec 19, 2007 19:24:45 GMT -5
It's still good, even If I am not as interested as I was in 05-06 It is still great. Geez, atleast It's not CZW.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Dec 19, 2007 19:35:30 GMT -5
Geez, atleast It's not CZW. ok did anyone else think it was weird that a little over one year after the end of the ROH/CZW war (talking about back in September this year) Hero, Castagnoli & Necro, the three main wrestlers for CZW during the feud, were wrestling for ROH, while two of ROH main wrestlers during the feud (Samoa Joe & Ace Steel) had both left the company, and ROH's savior Homicide was wrestling in CZW
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Post by Panda Bear on Dec 19, 2007 19:48:51 GMT -5
Geez, atleast It's not CZW. ok did anyone else think it was weird that a little over one year after the end of the ROH/CZW war (talking about back in September this year) Hero, Castagnoli & Necro, the three main wrestlers for CZW during the feud, were wrestling for ROH, while two of ROH main wrestlers during the feud (Samoa Joe & Ace Steel) had both left the company, and ROH's savior Homicide was wrestling in CZW I did not mean to make fun of CZW, I loved It in 05, but now It has been terrible IMO.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Dec 19, 2007 19:52:12 GMT -5
ok did anyone else think it was weird that a little over one year after the end of the ROH/CZW war (talking about back in September this year) Hero, Castagnoli & Necro, the three main wrestlers for CZW during the feud, were wrestling for ROH, while two of ROH main wrestlers during the feud (Samoa Joe & Ace Steel) had both left the company, and ROH's savior Homicide was wrestling in CZW I did not mean to make fun of CZW, I loved It in 05, but now It has been terrible IMO. i don't really care if you make fun if it or not, i just used it as a segue
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Post by Panda Bear on Dec 19, 2007 19:58:20 GMT -5
I did not mean to make fun of CZW, I loved It in 05, but now It has been terrible IMO. i don't really care if you make fun if it or not, i just used it as a segue
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Post by Joekishi on Dec 19, 2007 20:01:19 GMT -5
ROH is doing what they were doing, it's just more evident with more exposure. I mean they've always had groups, fueds, and gimmicks. It's just as they are more prominent a company and people are starting to watch the whole show, rather than just the matches they notice all the gimmicky stuff.
it's always been there.
It's just that it's more widely available now, and subject to criticism.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Dec 19, 2007 20:03:32 GMT -5
i don't really care if you make fun if it or not, i just used it as a segue Never question the Zapper again
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Post by JMA on Dec 20, 2007 15:22:52 GMT -5
I think it's good that ROH has more storylines now.
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Post by sexualvanilla on Dec 20, 2007 16:13:57 GMT -5
I think they're revving up to have an even bigger '08 and think this year has been one of their best. It's been a year of transition since 2006 showed them rising to become the top indy in America and '07 has been a long transition into their expansion, i.e. the west coast trips, PPV, and other ways. They're still getting the kinks out of the way, but I think more and more will accept the PPV schedule and they'll be able to work around it. I also don't think they'd be against having title switches on non-PPV shows since if done the right way, could really shake things up and likely drive up non-PPV business ("Anything can happen in an ROH live event")
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Post by Jeff on Dec 20, 2007 20:52:58 GMT -5
Geez, atleast It's not CZW. ok did anyone else think it was weird that a little over one year after the end of the ROH/CZW war (talking about back in September this year) Hero, Castagnoli & Necro, the three main wrestlers for CZW during the feud, were wrestling for ROH, while two of ROH main wrestlers during the feud (Samoa Joe & Ace Steel) had both left the company, and ROH's savior Homicide was wrestling in CZW Ace Steel had like two matches during that feud. Also most people who talk shit about CZW have never seen a single show.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 20, 2007 20:55:38 GMT -5
I saw one show, I think it was from October of last year, looked like it was held in someone's backyard. Called "Fear" or something, couldn't get into it.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Dec 20, 2007 21:26:45 GMT -5
ok did anyone else think it was weird that a little over one year after the end of the ROH/CZW war (talking about back in September this year) Hero, Castagnoli & Necro, the three main wrestlers for CZW during the feud, were wrestling for ROH, while two of ROH main wrestlers during the feud (Samoa Joe & Ace Steel) had both left the company, and ROH's savior Homicide was wrestling in CZW Ace Steel had like two matches during that feud. Also most people who talk crap about CZW have never seen a single show. lets see, Ace Steel was the one the responded to Hero & Necro at Tag Wars, leading to the first brawl in the feud; he was part of ROH's team at Weekend of Champions: Night One, as well as helping to dispose of Super Dragon & Nate Webb the following night. was part of ROH's team against CZW at Chi-Town Struggle and Death before Dishonor IV. when Claudio & Nate Webb tried to invade War of the Wire II, it was Steel and Cabana that went out and fought them off. also, not sure if the second comment was directed at me or not, but if so at what point do i talk crap about CZW?
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Post by toodarkmark on Dec 21, 2007 10:52:52 GMT -5
I think the PPV's are what hurt them, as far as booking goes.
Ive been to 5 shows, and the PPV (which the smarks loved so much) was boring compared to most ROH shows Ive gone too. I read somewhere how they felt Roderick Strong vs Delirious was a 4 star match and possible MOY, but when I was watching it, I was BORED. As was half the arena.
Something definitely changed when they started doing the PPVs. I mean sure they lost Homicide, Joe, Daniels and Shelley and that hurt. But ROH was always about the best of the Indies and high work rate. I think something about the transition to PPV hurt their focus.
In the end it just shows my theory that TV kills pro wrestling. As someone whos loved it since 1987, I see it time and time again. Something great that no one can see (except by tape or live), and then it's on TV and it just becomes... stupid. Dumbed down. Simplified. And you know why? Thats what makes money.
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