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Post by Arthur Digby Stamp on Dec 21, 2007 11:32:26 GMT -5
I had actually been enjoying the past few weeks' shows, but then last night's show...meh. Most of the comedy segments fell flat, and I just felt burnt out on gimmicks by the time the ladder match came around.
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Post by slasher911 on Dec 21, 2007 11:39:15 GMT -5
Am I the only one who just doesn't care at all about Christmas or Thanksgiving specials? I'm here to watch guys hurt each other, not celebrate the holidays.
Although the Briscoes destroying 'Santa and the elves' last year was awesome.
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 21, 2007 11:43:28 GMT -5
I'll be honest with you, I wasn't crazy about the show last night. I'm not gonna excuse the crap that happened last night, it was as bad as stuff I've seen on WWE tv this year. I understand it's a Christmas show, but the dumb stuff just seemed to overwhelm whatever good wrestling there was on the show. Although there was some stuff that got a chuckle out of me (mostly the midget stuff).
And the stuff with Joe just pisses me right off. He's the last guy I want to see turned into a greedy, bitter a-hole by the booking. It really makes me believe that he's on his way out.
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Post by khali on Dec 21, 2007 11:48:05 GMT -5
It had solid wrestling, a few entertaining angles and kind of a mildly amusing theme at times. I really don't understand the outrage. I mean, the wrestling on the actual show was all around good, and the ladder match was great. I really am at a loss as to why the negative reaction. I mean, yeah, the Christmas theme thing was a bit over done but there's been so much worse. It just seems like there's a core group of people who, week after week, regardless of what the show was like remark "omg that was the worst thing ever, soooo dumb" etc etc. Except Meltzer has never reacted like this before. Alvarez does every week, but Meltzer normally is positive about the show to some degree. And the show was just awful outside of the ladder match. Maybe someday they'll decide to make Styles something else besides a comedy character who gets humiliated. Joe's new whining schtick is getting annoying real fast. Is the crowd really supposed to cheer a guy that always bitches? And isn't this exactly what Chris Harris is doing too?
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Post by Ace Diamond on Dec 21, 2007 11:48:33 GMT -5
I'd like to point out the following.
Whenever WWE tries to do something mildly entertaining, it's stupid.
Whenever TNA tries to do something mildly entertaining, to a group of people here it is hilarious. Some of these people might even be the ones who think WWE is being stupid with their segments.
Which leads me into the "you can't have it both ways" arguement. Especially since TNA's form of mildly entertaining doesn't get them any greater ratings or buyrates.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2007 12:05:05 GMT -5
TNA: WE ARE WRESTLING EXCEPT THAT WE'RE NOT. Wasn't there like 5 or 6 matches? How many do they have to have to qualify as "Wrestling"? 10? 20? 50?
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 21, 2007 12:07:18 GMT -5
I'd like to point out the following. Whenever WWE tries to do something mildly entertaining, it's stupid. Whenever TNA tries to do something mildly entertaining, to a group of people here it is hilarious. Some of these people might even be the ones who think WWE is being stupid with their segments. Which leads me into the "you can't have it both ways" arguement. Especially since TNA's form of mildly entertaining doesn't get them any greater ratings or buyrates. TNA's saving grace for me is that the wrestlers usually have good matches with each other, even the guys who are fairly mediocre. WWE doesn't have as many of those matches where guys leave it all on the line, mostly because there's no time to after all of the talking and sketches are done. Last night was a big misstep to me. I love TNA, but it was trying to watch, because there was a lot of dumb comedy in there.
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Post by darbus alan on Dec 21, 2007 12:10:18 GMT -5
If I had to be positive about one thing last night, it's that Traci Brooks looked positively smoking last night. Moreso than usual.
The ladder match was also good fun until the costume crap started.
Also, I've had my fill of midgets after Hornswoggle. TNA doesn't need to do them, too, though at least we don't have a midget Russo or Cornette... yet.
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Post by Timmy8271 on Dec 21, 2007 12:13:36 GMT -5
So wait, Joe has a complaining gimmick now? Does Chris Harris have the same exact gimmick?
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Post by darbus alan on Dec 21, 2007 12:15:33 GMT -5
To be fair, I think they're complaining about different things? Harris is just a general "I'm not being used properly!" thing while Joe's like a satire on the dirt sheets.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Dec 21, 2007 12:17:17 GMT -5
I'd like to point out the following. Whenever WWE tries to do something mildly entertaining, it's stupid. Whenever TNA tries to do something mildly entertaining, to a group of people here it is hilarious. Some of these people might even be the ones who think WWE is being stupid with their segments. Which leads me into the "you can't have it both ways" arguement. Especially since TNA's form of mildly entertaining doesn't get them any greater ratings or buyrates. TNA's saving grace for me is that the wrestlers usually have good matches with each other, even the guys who are fairly mediocre. WWE doesn't have as many of those matches where guys leave it all on the line, mostly because there's no time to after all of the talking and sketches are done. Last night was a big misstep to me. I love TNA, but it was trying to watch, because there was a lot of dumb comedy in there. Well that's what I'm saying that a lot of forgiveness for TNA comes from its great matches, but again if these great matches aren't generating the PPV buys, then something is wrong (most likely lack of advertising really), and the matches alone do not make up the whole show.
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 21, 2007 12:25:51 GMT -5
TNA's saving grace for me is that the wrestlers usually have good matches with each other, even the guys who are fairly mediocre. WWE doesn't have as many of those matches where guys leave it all on the line, mostly because there's no time to after all of the talking and sketches are done. Last night was a big misstep to me. I love TNA, but it was trying to watch, because there was a lot of dumb comedy in there. Well that's what I'm saying that a lot of forgiveness for TNA comes from its great matches, but again if these great matches aren't generating the PPV buys, then something is wrong (most likely lack of advertising really), and the matches alone do not make up the whole show. True, there isn't a lot of advertising for the show, but they get a good enough deal from Spike. The truth is, there just isn't much of an audience for it. I don't know what it would take for TNA to start pulling in more ratings. Also, let's face it, The last five years have not been a good time to start any kind of business right now, much less a wrestling federation when wrestling has already peaked.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Dec 21, 2007 12:46:48 GMT -5
I liked it though the Christmas party was filmed and felt like a bad sitcom (only good part was the X-Division guys)
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Post by Welfare Willis on Dec 21, 2007 13:30:22 GMT -5
I liked it though the Christmas party was filmed and felt like a bad sitcom (only good part was the X-Division guys) Throw John Ritter in there and we could have had a episode of Three's Company. What? Ritter's dead?...well easier to throw.
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Post by Randy Barber 4-Life on Dec 21, 2007 13:58:47 GMT -5
I didn't watch all of this one, it had nothing to do with it being good or not I was just doing other stuff. But what I watched wasn't bad, I thought the north pole match was good. But since even a lot of what I watched I wasn't paying close attention to I can't really give a good critique. The one thing I had to question though was Angle beating up Santa. Is it ever a good idea to send children away from your show in tears? What'll he do next week, bring out a kiddie pool and drown puppies?
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 21, 2007 14:01:51 GMT -5
I don't think you have to take a show which is only billed as a Christmas special seriously. Hell, the opening segment should have been a notice of things to come. It didn't do much expect put out a good match with no real ties to future shows.
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Post by metylerca on Dec 21, 2007 14:16:46 GMT -5
I don't think you have to take a show which is only billed as a Christmas special seriously. Hell, the opening segment should have been a notice of things to come. It didn't do much expect put out a good match with no real ties to future shows. But why? Shouldn't they have advanced angles rather than shown Eric Young every 7 minutes?
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 21, 2007 14:19:56 GMT -5
I don't think you have to take a show which is only billed as a Christmas special seriously. Hell, the opening segment should have been a notice of things to come. It didn't do much expect put out a good match with no real ties to future shows. But why? Shouldn't they have advanced angles rather than shown Eric Young every 7 minutes? For a Holiday episode? Why? All they really did was remind people some of the conflicts people had(LAX vs. R&R Infection, Gail v Kong, Angle vs Cage, Roode vs. Booker, etc.). They have 2 other episodes if they want to advance stuff and announce the PPV matches.
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Post by metylerca on Dec 21, 2007 14:25:05 GMT -5
But why? Shouldn't they have advanced angles rather than shown Eric Young every 7 minutes? For a Holiday episode? Why? All they really did was remind people some of the conflicts people had(LAX vs. R&R Infection, Gail v Kong, Angle vs Cage, Roode vs. Booker, etc.). They have 2 other episodes if they want to advance stuff and announce the PPV matches. Yes, they reminded, but I still think they could have done way more. The comedy segments weren't really that funny. I wanted to laugh, and only laughed at the So Cal Val joke that Bubba made. "Here's 5$, i'm gonna want back my change." But you know something is up when you get a throwaway holiday episode, rather than a productive one. They could have kept the theme, but produced something that would benefit them in the build up to Final Resolution. That's my opinion I guess.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 21, 2007 14:29:13 GMT -5
For a Holiday episode? Why? All they really did was remind people some of the conflicts people had(LAX vs. R&R Infection, Gail v Kong, Angle vs Cage, Roode vs. Booker, etc.). They have 2 other episodes if they want to advance stuff and announce the PPV matches. Yes, they reminded, but I still think they could have done way more. The comedy segments weren't really that funny. I wanted to laugh, and only laughed at the So Cal Val joke that Bubba made. "Here's 5$, i'm gonna want back my change." But you know something is up when you get a throwaway holiday episode, rather than a productive one. They could have kept the theme, but produced something that would benefit them in the build up to Final Resolution. That's my opinion I guess. Why can't it just be a throwaway show, especially since it's something for a holiday? I guess then WWE shouldn't have Tribute to the Troops cause it doesn't lead into their PPV stuff, or ECW shouldn't have a Best of show cause it doesn't advance any storylines.
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