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Post by capnsteve on Dec 22, 2007 2:22:19 GMT -5
It definitely could have been a little lighter on the complicated matches, but overall I thought it was good.
Eric Young is always good (although the party dragged on too long).
The ladder match and the match Abyss was in were both cool (that bump AJ took was about the second time I've ever seen a suplex to the outside actually work).
How can you not like a barbed-wire Christmas tree and a steel cage with lights strung around it?
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 22, 2007 10:44:05 GMT -5
I suppose I also don't expect TNA to be serious all the time because, when I want more "intensity driven" angles, I usually pop in my ROH DVD's. Even ROH has plenty of goofiness at times (c'mon, what do you call the existence of Sweet n' Sour Inc.?), but it allows me to enjoy different aspects of wrestling by watching different companies.
Not everyone gets to do that, so I can appreciate it from that vantage point.
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Post by mysterydriver on Dec 22, 2007 14:55:25 GMT -5
So...what I'm getting from this thread is...
Comedy is subjective. Some just didn't like the show, and those who did, obviously, don't agree with them.
That's fine and (el) dandy.
Could someone just answer one question for me...
Why is TNA turning their woman divison into Divas? Honestly, outside of the wonderful Gail/Kong feud...all I see is WWE Divas who can wrestle somewhat more competantly, but still are only used for T&A and comedy sketches.
That's my question. I can understand the points other people made, but that is all that I'm wondering at current moment.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 22, 2007 15:05:22 GMT -5
.Why is TNA turning their woman divison into Divas? Honestly, outside of the wonderful Gail/Kong feud...all I see is WWE Divas who can wrestle somewhat more competantly, but still are only used for T&A and comedy sketches. How many "Diva-types" do they have? 3?(Love, Sky, and Christy) How many Knockouts in total? 9? ODB isn't a diva type, and neither are Roxxi, Jackie, Kong, Gail, and Traci to some extent. If you wanna count Shelly too, she isn't diva like, being covered head to toe in gangsta clothes. It's just a gimmick, just like Roxxie is the Voodoo Queen/Concubine, Jackie is the drunken Pride of Tenassee, Gail is the John Cena/Noble Rose of the division, Kong is the monster, Traci is the sympatetic sectretary, and ODB is......well, whatever the hell ODB is. |
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Post by Save_Us.Voicebox on Dec 22, 2007 15:13:43 GMT -5
.Why is TNA turning their woman divison into Divas? Honestly, outside of the wonderful Gail/Kong feud...all I see is WWE Divas who can wrestle somewhat more competantly, but still are only used for T&A and comedy sketches. How many "Diva-types" do they have? 3?(Love, Sky, and Christy) How many Knockouts in total? 9? ODB isn't a diva type, and neither are Roxxi, Jackie, Kong, Gail, and Traci to some extent. If you wanna count Shelly too, she isn't diva like, being covered head to toe in gangsta clothes. It's just a gimmick, just like Roxxie is the Voodoo Queen/Concubine, Jackie is the drunken Pride of Tenassee, Gail is the John Cena/Noble Rose of the division, Kong is the monster, Traci is the sympatetic sectretary, and ODB is......well, whatever the hell ODB is. Not necessarily the characters that make them like the divas, however, their look, wrestling style, and the way they are used/presented. Also, Pick of Destiny FTW |
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Post by mysterydriver on Dec 22, 2007 15:22:20 GMT -5
The WWE divas have gimmicks too.
Ashley is the "Punk Rockstar", Mickie is the "Home-Town Girl (with "tendencies")", Jillian is the "Bad Singer," Melina is the "Hollywood Starlet" Maria is the "Dopey Girl"
I mean, they have them catfighting in backstage sketches while Kong and Gail are having wars.
It was like a split-screen during that match on Impact. Cut to the woman's match between Gail/Kong, cut to the "Divas" match with everyone else fighting with fake Christmas stuff while dressed as Santa.
I might be able to give you ODB if her whole drunken gimmick didn't revolve around sex jokes. "Dirty Dozen" and Boob Thesz Press not withstanding.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 22, 2007 15:29:42 GMT -5
Eh, I don't see TNA's girls being all "Diva-ish". They goofed off on the Christmas show, and a couple of them have kind of "slutty" characters...but we've had male gigolo characters in the past, as well.
Gail, Jackie, Kong, ODB, Roxxi, Traci...well, maybe Traci, but most don't fit what's become the sort of "Diva" archetype.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 22, 2007 15:32:49 GMT -5
The WWE divas have gimmicks too. Ashley is the "Punk Rockstar", Mickie is the "Home-Town Girl (with "tendencies")", Jillian is the "Bad Singer," Melina is the "Hollywood Starlet" Maria is the "Dopey Girl" I mean, they have them catfighting in backstage sketches while Kong and Gail are having wars. It was like a split-screen during that match on Impact. Cut to the woman's match between Gail/Kong, cut to the "Divas" match with everyone else fighting with fake Christmas stuff while dressed as Santa. I might be able to give you ODB if her whole drunken gimmick didn't revolve around sex jokes. "Dirty Dozen" and Boob Thesz Press not withstanding. Well, their gimmicks aren't really different. If she's a heel, the women usually has an attitude, and if she's a face, she's very happy and chipper. It doesn't really stray from those 2 choices. Also, I don't think an instance of having a catfight on a show should disqualify the whole division. The matches most of the women had aren't like you see in the Diva matches. |
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Post by Timmy8271 on Dec 22, 2007 15:44:16 GMT -5
TNA's women's division I wouldn't say is diva-like. Now when they start doing sexy photoshoots at the beach, then it might be.
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Post by derrtaysouth95 on Dec 22, 2007 15:44:29 GMT -5
To be completely honest....this was the first time I've watched TNA in about two months, and I just happened upon the show by accident. I forgot what night it was and went channel flipping then I saw the 6-sided cage so I kept it on.
I was really impressed, and throughly loved the gimmick match themes the entire night.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 22, 2007 15:56:01 GMT -5
I missed this week's episode of Impact, but I can't help but think that complaining about TNA sucking is about as pointless as complaining about the government being incompetent.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Dec 22, 2007 16:18:11 GMT -5
The WWE divas have gimmicks too. Ashley is the "Punk Rockstar", Mickie is the "Home-Town Girl (with "tendencies")", Jillian is the "Bad Singer," Melina is the "Hollywood Starlet" Maria is the "Dopey Girl" I mean, they have them catfighting in backstage sketches while Kong and Gail are having wars. It was like a split-screen during that match on Impact. Cut to the woman's match between Gail/Kong, cut to the "Divas" match with everyone else fighting with fake Christmas stuff while dressed as Santa. I might be able to give you ODB if her whole drunken gimmick didn't revolve around sex jokes. "Dirty Dozen" and Boob Thesz Press not withstanding. Well, their gimmicks aren't really different. If she's a heel, the women usually has an attitude, and if she's a face, she's very happy and chipper. It doesn't really stray from those 2 choices. Team Pornography takes this mold and shatters it, just FYI |
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Post by Cibernético II on Dec 22, 2007 17:53:09 GMT -5
I loved it
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Post by laotioncommotion on Dec 22, 2007 20:46:59 GMT -5
The WWE divas have gimmicks too. Ashley is the "Punk Rockstar", Mickie is the "Home-Town Girl (with "tendencies")", Jillian is the "Bad Singer," Melina is the "Hollywood Starlet" Maria is the "Dopey Girl" I mean, they have them catfighting in backstage sketches while Kong and Gail are having wars. It was like a split-screen during that match on Impact. Cut to the woman's match between Gail/Kong, cut to the "Divas" match with everyone else fighting with fake Christmas stuff while dressed as Santa. I might be able to give you ODB if her whole drunken gimmick didn't revolve around sex jokes. "Dirty Dozen" and Boob Thesz Press not withstanding. But see, here's where I think people freak out at TNA for no reason. You saw this one Impact where the girls behaved in a "diva-esque" way and have now made the mental leap that this is the way TNA will be booking their women's division for all eternity. It was one segment on a Christmas episode. It doesn't really mean anything. And ODB is definitely not a Diva. No matter what her moves are called. |
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Post by mysterydriver on Dec 22, 2007 21:28:48 GMT -5
Well, another example, that I can't find online now for some reason, would be the Final Resolution tag match between Sky & Love against Roxxi & ODB.
It was nothing more than a comedy match. Kind of boring too. Then again, in honesty, I lost interest in that PPV when they pulled the plug on the idea of opening the 'Feast or Fired' cases that night.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Dec 22, 2007 21:35:30 GMT -5
Then again, in honesty, I lost interest in that PPV when they pulled the plug on the idea of opening the 'Feast or Fired' cases that night. i lost interest in the PPV when they said you had to pay to watch it ;D |
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Post by kitsunestar on Dec 22, 2007 22:07:34 GMT -5
Then again, in honesty, I lost interest in that PPV when they pulled the plug on the idea of opening the 'Feast or Fired' cases that night. i lost interest in the PPV when they said you had to pay to watch it ;D Wait, Wait, I can outsmark this. "I lost interest in the PPV when I found out it wasn't RoH." |
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Dec 22, 2007 22:12:14 GMT -5
i lost interest in the PPV when they said you had to pay to watch it ;D Wait, Wait, I can outsmark this. "I lost interest in the PPV when I found out it wasn't RoH." f****n' A |
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Dec 23, 2007 0:22:04 GMT -5
I'm at the half-way point of the replay of this wretched show, and it's not too bad, IMO. The Christmas gimmicky matches aren't the end of the world, and I kind of like it. It's the holiday season, lots of people puts lights and bows on things, and people do goofy stuff they wouldn't normally do during the rest of the year. In that way, TNA isn't much different than your neighbor with the stupid plastic Santa and five reindeer in his front yard.
The Eric Young holiday party isn't the worst thing I've ever seen. Guys like Meltzer have good intentions with their opinions regarding things being "good for business", but if TNA isn't drawing PPV buyers the other 50 weeks of the year, they'd might as well have fun with their Thanksgiving and Christmas TV shows, and try to hold serve on the ratings front during traditionally slow weeks of the year for scoring viewers.
Maybe that's a defeatist way to approach things, and in a perfect world they would have two hours of straight, super serious action that sets up huge MONEY matches on the January PPV...but mainstream TV professional wrestling in the U.S. has NEVER been that (not even if you count original ECW, Crockett, AWA, and UWF). Wrestling in every era has had really cheesy, campy stuff as a side garnish to the action...that's always been part of the appeal of pro wrestling. Michael Hayes used to dress up like Santa Claus and attack the Von Erichs, and it was both funny and serious business meant to draw money...it's a good thing Lance Storm wasn't doing a weekly online commentary back then.
I'm not bored while watching whatever this week's episode of Impact is supposed to be, and I'm glad for that.
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Post by Widow's Peak on Dec 23, 2007 11:49:13 GMT -5
I guess I wouldn't have a problem with a "gimmick show" if it were a rarity. With the possible exception of the women's division, TNA is just so bogged down in silly match stipulations and incomprehensible booking that its becoming harder to watch each week.
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