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Post by The Line on Dec 16, 2007 12:27:55 GMT -5
What do you hope happens/doesn't happen in 2008 in ROH. Hope this isn't too similar to MGH's thread.
And please keep comments like "I hope they go outta business!" out of here, if you can.
I have five, all about whatever they do for their 6th year celebration.
-I hope they do a third annual Dragon Gate 6-Man at one of the Wrestlemania Weekend shows. -I hope one of the Wrestlemania Weekend shows is named Supercard of Honor III(That better be the one with the Dragon Gate match) -I hope the 6th Year Celebration(or whatever they call it), quality wise, is more like the Milestone Series and not the Fifth Year Festival. -I hope they give the shows "real" names like they did for MS. I HATED the names for the FYF(and I know I'm not alone). -I hope they don't tape any PPVs during it. I love the PPVs, but I love the sequential nature that both the MS and FYF had, and I want that again in 08.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Dec 16, 2007 12:31:57 GMT -5
making enough money to continue showcasing their great matches/shows
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Post by MGH on Dec 16, 2007 12:46:14 GMT -5
OK, I could ramble on here for awhile with selfish wants -I'm with Andy, I hope whatever they plan for the 6th Anniversary is much more similar to the Milestone Series. I enjoyed how things flowed together with the FYF from show to show, but as far as total quality I don't think it matched up. Of course Dragon and Hero not being there hurt, but I still think they could have done more seeing as they still had the TNA talent at hand. Not that the FYF was BAD, just not on the same level. -The return of a couple of old names. I'm still on the Xavier bandwagon, and want him back in the midcard. I'd take him, and even John Walters (you heard me) if the timing was right. Mainly though, you know who I want back. Bring back Ki. Automatic main eventer, automatic familiarity for the PPV audience, and I highly doubt that he's forgotten how to kick ass. -I'd really like for Gabe to learn the meaning of moderation. Everything is good .... in moderation. 60 minute draws are great, in moderation. Two out of three fall matches are great, in moderation. Street fights are great, in moderation. He goes overkill on gimmicks in one short period and it kills me. -Don't announce as many matches for titles ahead of time. As good as the shows and matches were, it really took away from Death Before Dishonor when four days before the event it was announced that Danielson was getting his title match in Manhattan two shows later. Just like now, we have Aries and a 4 way bout at Final Battle ready for Nigel. Could I have seen him losing to Aries? No. In the 4 way? Absolutely. But now we have defenses set up through January including a big one against Hero and an even bigger one against Strong. Kinda not thinking he can lose in two weeks anymore. -Any and all of the following matches for Bryan Danielson: Mike Quackenbush, Brent Albright, Claudio Castagnoli, Kevin Steen, El Generico, and either Briscoe. -A real Jay vs. Mark feud with one as face and the other as heel. It would be bittersweet with them splitting in ROH, but for some reason I just see it happening soon after they drop the tag straps. I could be totally wrong there, and probably am, but it's a gut feeling. If the FYF match is any indication of what they can do NOW against one another, I want to see more. -Give one of the factions some gold to give them legitimacy or just end faction warfare all together. -If possible, slightly less NOAH, slightly more Dragon Gate. -Midcard title, PLEASE. That's all for now.
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Post by The Lodger on Dec 16, 2007 12:51:38 GMT -5
Also, is it so much to ask to have your "series" DVDS, like MS and the summer of punk to not be sold out every once and a while? Arena Warfare at least, sheesh.
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Post by KLRA on Dec 16, 2007 12:56:39 GMT -5
Yes, I hope the 6th year festival (they might not even do it this year because it really isn't a milestone) is better than the FYF. I actually hope they just keep it to the weekend celebration, probably easier to book.
I also concur with not announcing so many title fights ahead of time. Or at least make it REALLY OBVIOUS that it can change at any time due to the lose of belts. Or have someone lose the straps before a schedualed title fight. That way it keeps the twists and turns alive.
I hope the faction warfare either starts to make more sense, and is phased out slightly. Right now it's seeming like a couple of these factions were factions just for factions sake.
I hope that Gabe tells the guys that they don't need to become NOAH clones because a lot of the fights and the performers themselves are starting to all seem the same.
I also would LOVE to see a midcard title, and NOT the FIP title.
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Post by The Line on Dec 16, 2007 13:02:27 GMT -5
-I'm with Andy, I hope whatever they plan for the 6th Anniversary is much more similar to the Milestone Series. I enjoyed how things flowed together with the FYF from show to show, but as far as total quality I don't think it matched up. Of course Dragon and Hero not being there hurt, but I still think they could have done more seeing as they still had the TNA talent at hand. Not that the FYF was BAD, just not on the same level. Agreed. On their own, all the FYF shows are in the upper quarter as far as best shows ROH has put on(except maybe Dayton), but in comparison it just didn't stack up at all to MS(but I don't know if anything ever will. The Milestone Series was the single greatest stretch of shows I've ever seen a company put on) -The return of a couple of old names. I'm still on the Xavier bandwagon, and want him back in the midcard. I'd take him, and even John Walters (you heard me) if the timing was right. Mainly though, you know who I want back. Bring back Ki. Automatic main eventer, automatic familiarity for the PPV audience, and I highly doubt that he's forgotten how to kick ass. Agreed on Xavier. He's a great talent, and he still gets pretty good reactions when he's brought back for one-offs. Don't put him anywhere near the World Title, but maybe put him in a faction, or give him the mid-card title(if they ever get one). I think I've seen one Walters match(his rise to "fame" is in one of my big holes where I have no shows). Low Ki has ALWAYS entertained me, so I'm behind him coming back 120% -I'd really like for Gabe to learn the meaning of moderation. Everything is good .... in moderation. 60 minute draws are great, in moderation. Two out of three fall matches are great, in moderation. Street fights are great, in moderation. He goes overkill on gimmicks in one short period and it kills me. I agree. Although it seems to not be so bad now as it was this spring/summer. Good thing they decided not to do it with Ladder matches. -A real Jay vs. Mark feud with one as face and the other as heel. It would be bittersweet with them splitting in ROH, but for some reason I just see it happening soon after they drop the tag straps. I could be totally wrong there, and probably am, but it's a gut feeling. If the FYF match is any indication of what they can do NOW against one another, I want to see more. Yeah. Their "feud" from the first couple of ROH shows showed great potential, and that was when they were 17 and 18 years old. I'd like to see what they can do 6 years later. -Give one of the factions some gold to give them legitimacy or just end faction warfare all together. The Trios Tournament really could and should have been the turning point in the faction warfare. Unfortunately, unless they reschedule it soon, FW is going to go out with a whimper rather than a roar. -If possible, slightly less NOAH, slightly more Dragon Gate. -Midcard title, PLEASE. Agreed on both.
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Post by dethstar on Dec 16, 2007 13:20:56 GMT -5
-i whole heartedly agree that there should be a midcard title.
- more Quackenbush!!
- a second reign for either Aries or Danielson.
- a Castagnoli or Hero title reign. I'm not the one who thinks this be.
- somehow get a deal to air the PPVs in the UK. its a real pain having to wait 2-4 months for the DVDs to come out.
- less NOAH, more Dragon Gate talent. hopefully BxB Hulk and maybe for the wrestlemania double shot the return of Shingo.
And for them to continue putting on excellent shows. that is all
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Post by Overly large testicles on Dec 16, 2007 14:04:51 GMT -5
I would have hoped Nigel was seriously injured so Aries/Danielson could feud to see who is the first two-time champ.
As much as I like Hero, when's the last time he's really wrestled? He's basically a comedy wrestler now with all the workouts and such.
A TV show. Versus would be perfect.
Christopher Daniels. He fits so perfect in an org like ROH, but seems so under-utilized in TNA. I'll take him over Low Ki any day of the week.
Different matchup combinations. It seems like the same matches have been happening month after month. Gimme Erick Stevens versus Bryan Danielson. Or Matt Cross versus Jack Evans. Whatever. Shake things up.
More Jigsaw.
Bobby Dempsey as a wrestler.
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Post by salsashark on Dec 16, 2007 14:25:05 GMT -5
My suggestions (These might be unpopular):
-More characters (After I left a ROH show, I couldn't remember a bunch of wrestlers who performed but seemed to have no personality/defining characteristics). -Bring in a few veterans from the bigger feds. It'd add some slight name value and make the younger wrestlers look good. -Another great year!
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Post by Bishblast on Dec 16, 2007 14:29:07 GMT -5
A syndicated TV deal, like ECW had in 97/98.
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Post by invaderdave on Dec 16, 2007 14:39:01 GMT -5
More tag teams. Not stables, tag teams. Didn't Briscoes face off against Steenerico for like three straight months? I don't care if ROH has to bring in the Trailer Park Boys, I want some more tag teams.
I wouldn't say less NOAH. I'd say maybe someone else from NOAH. Like say, Ricky Marvin and Kotaro. Gotta keep with that more tag teams rule, y'know.
Less lariat attempts, k thx.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Dec 16, 2007 14:49:39 GMT -5
1 and a half words.
Low Ki
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2007 14:54:43 GMT -5
-I'd really like for Gabe to learn the meaning of moderation. Everything is good .... in moderation. 60 minute draws are great, in moderation. Two out of three fall matches are great, in moderation. Street fights are great, in moderation. He goes overkill on gimmicks in one short period and it kills me. I don't really see how any of these three things were improperly implemented in ROH. They're one of the few companies that don't just do stipulation matches for the sake of doing stipulation matches. If I'm not mistaken, there were actually no 60 minute matches in ROH during 2007 at all. And maybe three 2 out of 3 fall matches all year long, each of which were to establish the Briscoes as having a streak of winning 2 straight falls in 2 out of 3 falls matches, so that in the future, a tag team can build a reputation by being the ones to finally end that streak. There were a lot of street fights in 2007, but mostly as part of a feud. Briscoes vs. Steen & Generico did stipulaton matches during their feud all to build to that big ladder match at Man Up, which was a fitting culmination to the feud. Without other matches to lead to that Man Up Ladder Match, a crazy match like that would have no meaning and would be out of place.
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Post by Dragonfly on Dec 16, 2007 15:00:49 GMT -5
I know that I'm beating a dead horse here, but I'd like to see Gabe pay slightly more attention to the Pittburgh Indy scene. Aside from Matt Cross (and Sterling James Keenan and Shiima Xion on occasion), Gabe tends to act like the Western Pennsylvania/Eastern Ohio scene doesn't exist. It's a shame, too. There are a handful of guys that would be a perfect fit for ROH, either in the ring (Ray Rowe, Johnny Gargano, John McChesney) or on the mic (Dennis Gregory, Eric Xtasy).
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Dec 16, 2007 15:03:31 GMT -5
Or have someone lose the straps before a schedualed title fight. That way it keeps the twists and turns alive. title. That's happened frequently. Homicide vs. BJ Whitmer, Samoa Joe vs. Nigel McGuinness, and CM Punk vs. Colt Cabana, at least, were all scheduled as title matches; Morishima had an upcoming defense against either Aries or Danielson, along with the chance for the ROH and GHC champions to face off on opposite teams during the Misawa weekend (that alone had a lot of people convinced that Morishima was keeping the belt). As for tag teams, bleh, the stables are better for the tag division IMO. Each stable can be arranged into three separate two-man tag teams... My big hope is more Quackenbush singles matches. And as little Marvin & Suzuki as possible, I've gotten rather sick of those two.
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Post by MWC on Dec 16, 2007 15:03:46 GMT -5
a return to St. Paul
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Post by KEJB on Dec 16, 2007 15:04:07 GMT -5
Less stupid looking lariats from Nigel. More 2006 Nigel. Less Briscoe's matches. (I'm sorry but they are the epitome of OVERKILL.)
Less NOAH nut hanging. Please not any "more" of DG. The amount of exposure they have right now in ROH is efficient.
How about any lucha? I could care less that "gabe doesnt like lucha". The fans want to see some. Its time for something fresh in ROH.
More shoot style wrestling. Im talking of taking it easy on the indy overkill in everymatch, and bring is some actual intense drama. UWF style. Lets get people into the matches because of the story within it, not because some beanpole did a 640 kneedrop.
Less ROH fans being the biggest dorks on the planet.
Less people thinking average matches are THE GREATEST MATCH EVER. That includes Gabe, although I fault him less as he is selling his product.
But as you can tell, I am not really that into ROH lately.
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Post by The Line on Dec 16, 2007 15:05:43 GMT -5
But as you can tell, I am not really that into ROH lately. yeah, its kinda obvious
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 16, 2007 15:06:42 GMT -5
that more than 50 people show up for the Orlando shows
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Post by The Line on Dec 16, 2007 15:07:59 GMT -5
that more than 50 people show up for the Orlando shows I have a feeling there will be little chance of that. ROH actually gets a pretty good amount of the WM crowd. I think at ASE III/Supercard II(this year's WM double shot), they said they had fans there from 30 states and 20 countries(one guy from Israel).
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