I don't think i want to do it anymore...

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capnsteve said:

I've never understood guys who complain about ring gear. Somehow a leather mask is respectable ting gear, but normal clothes aren't? Would you rather that guys like Raven wear a singlet?

That's the problem too many guys say it's my gimmick. It works for Raven because not everyone was doing it, now everyone is trying to do it saying it's my gimmick, not it's them being cheap. Hell even raven wears boots.

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kudohdriver said:

This thead's a joke, right? I refuse to believe it's some guy who's been doing indy shows for only 5 years complaining about how the young guys have no respect, don't have gear, etc. He's "held titles all over" and worked from "the biggest to the smallest" promotions. I pay attention to all of the "biggest" indy promotions and I've never heard of this guy. I assume the whole thing is meant to be a joke post. If that's not the case..... oh boy.

Like i said i may be just bitter for being so young. How long have you been in the buisness??? Ok. My point was i was taught to respect the veterans watch there matches on the shows and take notes, but no one seems to do that anymore, they do there match then jack around the rest of the night.

[Johnny]

fswjaymiller said:

kudohdriver said:

This thead's a joke, right? I refuse to believe it's some guy who's been doing indy shows for only 5 years complaining about how the young guys have no respect, don't have gear, etc. He's "held titles all over" and worked from "the biggest to the smallest" promotions. I pay attention to all of the "biggest" indy promotions and I've never heard of this guy. I assume the whole thing is meant to be a joke post. If that's not the case..... oh boy.

Like i said i may be just bitter for being so young. How long have you been in the buisness??? Ok. My point was i was taught to respect the veterans watch there matches on the shows and take notes, but no one seems to do that anymore, they do there match then jack around the rest of the night.

And thats why those guys are staying in the small time.

[Hensley]

If you don't love the business then you shouldn't keep going. Don't just keep going cause you think you gotta. Plain and simple.

[Viking]

I am from the area and have never heard of you. And there is only one fed running in Uniontown PA and it is UCW which is a backyard promotion. You have won titles all over the place? WHAT?!?!?! WHERE!?!?!? Im not trying to be a dick, but please let me know where you won all these belts and all the promotions you worked for. I have been in the business since 98 in your area Pa, Oh, Wv and I am sorry but I have never heard of you.

[Aceorton]

vikingsex said:

I am from the area and have never heard of you. And there is only one fed running in Uniontown PA and it is UCW which is a backyard promotion. You have won titles all over the place? WHAT?!?!?! WHERE!?!?!? Im not trying to be a dick, but please let me know where you won all these belts and all the promotions you worked for. I have been in the business since 98 in your area Pa, Oh, Wv and I am sorry but I have never heard of you.

Of course you know him. He's the guy who's always taking notes and not jacking around all night.

[i.Sarita.com]

Raven went ALONG time without wearing shorts and t-shirts anyway...

Remember the kickpad boots and kilt?

[LCR, Formerly Blue Nova]

I can understand being frustrated with one's chosen profession, but seriously -- poop or get off the pot. It saves time and makes things much less stressful.

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vikingsex said:

I am from the area and have never heard of you. And there is only one fed running in Uniontown PA and it is UCW which is a backyard promotion. You have won titles all over the place? WHAT?!?!?! WHERE!?!?!? Im not trying to be a dick, but please let me know where you won all these belts and all the promotions you worked for. I have been in the business since 98 in your area Pa, Oh, Wv and I am sorry but I have never heard of you.

Yeah i worked for UCW which isn't as backyard as people say, atleast not the people i worked. I mean come on your on here promoting XWF, Not the greatest company to represent when calling a group yarders. I've held titles in BBW in Kentucky and WWA in Kentucky. I've held titles in UWL. Though in all honesy titles mean nothing. I've worked CAPW, FSW, RAW, UCW, BBW, WWA, CWF and some other ones here and there.

[Tea & Crumpets]

fswjaymiller said:

vikingsex said:

I am from the area and have never heard of you. And there is only one fed running in Uniontown PA and it is UCW which is a backyard promotion. You have won titles all over the place? WHAT?!?!?! WHERE!?!?!? Im not trying to be a dick, but please let me know where you won all these belts and all the promotions you worked for. I have been in the business since 98 in your area Pa, Oh, Wv and I am sorry but I have never heard of you.

Yeah i worked for UCW which isn't as backyard as people say, atleast not the people i worked. I mean come on your on here promoting XWF, Not the greatest company to represent when calling a group yarders. I've held titles in BBW in Kentucky and WWA in Kentucky. I've held titles in UWL. Though in all honesy titles mean nothing. I've worked CAPW, FSW, RAW, UCW, BBW, WWA, CWF and some other ones here and there.

You've worked CWF Mid Atlantic? Cool. That's the only real promotion I know out of that list (except perhaps CAPW or FSW, which both ring a bell). Pretty decent credentials.

And on hte Raven issue, let's nto forget Scotty the Body and Johnny Polo. He wore traditional gear then. So I'd say he'd established himself enough to switch his attire to fit his gimmick.

I must admit, I think it is a little lazy if you come in straightaway wearing jeans and a T-shirt. tights, trunks or a leotard can't be that hard to get hold of for cheap. Plus nobody's going to remember a guy in generic jeans. IMO, if you have a decent attire that is actually wrestling attire, there's a better chance of people remembering your look, and therefore you.

For instance, I forget who half the CZW wrestlers are mainly due to the fact that so many of them wear denim jeans or shorts. Yet people with say, trunks or tights, if there's a bit of decals that make their gear stick out a bit, I remember them better.

Of course, I've never worked in the business. This is all just my opinion.

[Viking]

fswjaymiller said:

vikingsex said:

I am from the area and have never heard of you. And there is only one fed running in Uniontown PA and it is UCW which is a backyard promotion. You have won titles all over the place? WHAT?!?!?! WHERE!?!?!? Im not trying to be a dick, but please let me know where you won all these belts and all the promotions you worked for. I have been in the business since 98 in your area Pa, Oh, Wv and I am sorry but I have never heard of you.

Yeah i worked for UCW which isn't as backyard as people say, atleast not the people i worked. I mean come on your on here promoting XWF, Not the greatest company to represent when calling a group yarders. I've held titles in BBW in Kentucky and WWA in Kentucky. I've held titles in UWL. Though in all honesy titles mean nothing. I've worked CAPW, FSW, RAW, UCW, BBW, WWA, CWF and some other ones here and there.

Lol Yeah that whole XWF show I worked was a ****ing joke, I was just working it because the booker told me they had Tyrone, Josh, and Honky on the show and when I showed up non of them where there, only New Jack. UCW is pretty bad tho, but a pay day is a pay day when your a indy worker and Im not knocking where you get booked, but I was going to if you where going to say that you held a UCW title. Dont get me wrong, I have worked the sh*tiest of shows around here, but I was just stating that I never heard of you or any of the titles that you won.

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That's fine, and ask Josh about me, he is the one who traveled to UCW with me, so he knows. Sadly i was suppose to get a title in UCW but politics are politics.

[metylerca]

Thats what she said

[Viking]

Do you work as Jay Miller or do you work under another name? That could also be a reason I havent heard of you, cause in all honestly I prob. have if you work under a diff name. Has UCW stepped up from what it use to be? There needs to be a place other than the Indymessageboard for promotions and such, because that board is full of hate. I know there are like 3 other people from that board that post on here, that is why I dont post under my work name here. Ty and Josh are good people so if you roll with them I know you must be ok too, my bad if I came of as a dick before, but you know how much people lie and start sh*t around our area.

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Yeah we deff. need something besides the indyboard to promote shows. The sad thing about it is theres probably like 3 people who post all the negativity they just have multiple personality's. I work under Jay Miller but i only take booking with certain companies as to not mess with the drama. UCW is trying to get better but when Jesse "Belt Mark" Skelton is helping run things you get what you get. I work under Jay Miller, but i tend not to have traveled much since 05, it's just not worth it anymore.

Speaking of XWF i had a conversation on a radio show i use to work on with the owner Damien Lee and he asked me if i would ever put over Chris Payne, and i said if thats what the promoter asked then yes. That sent him off on a tirade about how he would never book me then and so on and so on. I love when a promoter wont book you because you will do what a promoter ask even if it don't make sense.

[Viking]

Lol I know what you mean, I think you are talking about EWF tho or something like that. XWF is ran by Cruz and Blaze, but I know Damien Lee and the promotion you are talking about, he has alot of beef with UCW. Email me on here tho and we are going to have to talk, we just go a building finalized and are starting a promotion which is going to be based around some of the areas younger more talented workers, like Josh, Sami, Jabari, Ty and not have any of the has beens or never wills sticking their noses into everything.
Yeah the Indyboard is set up awful to many no name posters who post nothing but drama. When I saw the UCW page and saw that Skelton was the champ, I was sick, he is no worker.

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vikingsex said:

Lol I know what you mean, I think you are talking about EWF tho or something like that. XWF is ran by Cruz and Blaze, but I know Damien Lee and the promotion you are talking about, he has alot of beef with UCW. Email me on here tho and we are going to have to talk, we just go a building finalized and are starting a promotion which is going to be based around some of the areas younger more talented workers, like Josh, Sami, Jabari, Ty and not have any of the has beens or never wills sticking their noses into everything.
Yeah the Indyboard is set up awful to many no name posters who post nothing but drama. When I saw the UCW page and saw that Skelton was the champ, I was sick, he is no worker.

Damn that's an impressive roster. I have to say Sammis jobber clobber is this generations Clothesline from hell lol. I remember sitting with Josh watching a Skelton/Bender TLC match f***ing horrid.

[Viking]

Lol the jobber clobber and farley kick are deadly. Dude i could not even imagen the sight of a Skelton/Bender match WOW. Haha the messageboard has no remorse for UCW, I love how the old pics of them dudes keep poping up on the page.

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Well all in all i made my final decission and March 22nd in Kent, Ohio will be my last match evahhhhh. Like Tazz said when the butterflies are gone and it ain't fun anymore time to hang 'em up.