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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 3, 2007 13:12:32 GMT -5
Georgia hasn't lost since October 6th. Only Hawaii hasn't lost a game since then. It's B.S. that they didn't get a shot at Ohio State because they didn't play their conference title game. Tennessee is easily the fourth or fifth best team in the SEC. Also, Missouri and Arizona State both got hosed. The BCS needs to change its setup regarding multiple teams in a conference being BCS eligible. Because there were at least three teams in the Big 12 and three teams in the SEC worthy of playing in a BCS bowl game. It should be the ten best teams playing in the BCS games. Not the conference champions and a couple of at-large berths. And I'm an Illinois fan saying this. As great of a season the Illini had, they shouldn't be playing USC in Pasadena. They should be playing Florida in Orlando. But this is the system that will continue to be used. You can't reaally justify Georgia getting a shot by talking about how Tennessee is weak since Tennessee beat them.
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Post by Brick Killed a Guy on Dec 3, 2007 14:43:05 GMT -5
Georgia hasn't lost since October 6th. Only Hawaii hasn't lost a game since then. It's B.S. that they didn't get a shot at Ohio State because they didn't play their conference title game. Tennessee is easily the fourth or fifth best team in the SEC. Also, Missouri and Arizona State both got hosed. The BCS needs to change its setup regarding multiple teams in a conference being BCS eligible. Because there were at least three teams in the Big 12 and three teams in the SEC worthy of playing in a BCS bowl game. It should be the ten best teams playing in the BCS games. Not the conference champions and a couple of at-large berths. And I'm an Illinois fan saying this. As great of a season the Illini had, they shouldn't be playing USC in Pasadena. They should be playing Florida in Orlando. But this is the system that will continue to be used. Wouldn't go as far as saying the Big 12/SEC should have three teams in. And if we wanna decide who should play between Georgia and LSU, how about a play-in game (since they didn't play each other this season) Here's how I would have done it. BCS Title -- OSU vs: Georgia/LSU winner (sorry, Hawaii) Sugar -- Hawaii vs: Georgia/LSU loser Orange -- Virginia Tech vs: West Virginia Fiesta -- Oklahoma vs: Arizona State Rose -- USC vs: Missouri Plus, I love your idea of an Illinois/Florida match-up (if only for the inevitable "Ron Zook" storyline.)
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Dec 3, 2007 14:56:44 GMT -5
I like the Idea of having a real conferance Champions making it. The ones that have to play a championship game. They deserve the right to be there, because they played on a championship. I think NCAA needs to force the 3 that do not do it to add more teams.(4 for Big East, 1 for Big 10, 2 For Pac 10) It is not right that some conferances have to play a tougher team at the end to win while others can just sit pretty.
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Post by Erik Majorwitz on Dec 3, 2007 16:00:43 GMT -5
I can't wait to laugh when Ohio State gets clobbered again and Hawaii shows that a non-BCS school can go undefeated. Hmm, hasn't that happened alot lately? Oh yeah, Boise State and Utah did it.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Dec 3, 2007 16:06:02 GMT -5
I can't wait to laugh when Ohio State gets clobbered again and Hawaii shows that a non-BCS school can go undefeated. Hmm, hasn't that happened alot lately? Oh yeah, Boise State and Utah did it. WAC and Mountain West do not get enough credit...
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Post by Erik Majorwitz on Dec 3, 2007 18:37:21 GMT -5
I can't wait to laugh when Ohio State gets clobbered again and Hawaii shows that a non-BCS school can go undefeated. Hmm, hasn't that happened alot lately? Oh yeah, Boise State and Utah did it. WAC and Mountain West do not get enough credit... Neither does... C-USA! (cheap pop)
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Post by #Classic Hi-Definition X on Dec 3, 2007 21:52:44 GMT -5
In case anyone's interested, here are the final BCS rankings of the season:
1. Ohio State (Big Televen) 2. LSU (SEC) 3. Virginia Tech (ACC) 4. Oklahoma (Big 12) 5. Georgia (SEC) 6. Missouri (Big 12) 7. USC (Pac-10) 8. Kansas (Big 12) 9. West Virginia (Big East) 10. Hawaii (WAC) 11. Arizona State (Pac-10) 12. Florida (SEC) 13. Illinois (Big Televen) 14. Boston College (ACC) 15. Clemson (ACC) 16. Tennessee (SEC) 17. BYU (Mountain West) 18. Wisconsin (Big Televen) 19. Texas (Big 12) 20. Virginia (ACC) 21. USF (Big East) 22. Cincinnati (Big East) 23. Auburn (SEC) 24. Boise State (WAC) 25. Connecticut (Big East)
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Post by Lancers on Dec 3, 2007 22:04:41 GMT -5
Georgia hasn't lost since October 6th. Only Hawaii hasn't lost a game since then. It's B.S. that they didn't get a shot at Ohio State because they didn't play their conference title game. Tennessee is easily the fourth or fifth best team in the SEC. Also, Missouri and Arizona State both got hosed. The BCS needs to change its setup regarding multiple teams in a conference being BCS eligible. Because there were at least three teams in the Big 12 and three teams in the SEC worthy of playing in a BCS bowl game. It should be the ten best teams playing in the BCS games. Not the conference champions and a couple of at-large berths. And I'm an Illinois fan saying this. As great of a season the Illini had, they shouldn't be playing USC in Pasadena. They should be playing Florida in Orlando. But this is the system that will continue to be used. You can't reaally justify Georgia getting a shot by talking about how Tennessee is weak since Tennessee beat them. Yeah, but that happened two months ago. I think if they had played two weeks ago instead of two months ago, Georgia would have wiped the floor with them. Maybe I'm underestimating Tennessee, but in my defense, EVERY game I saw them play, they lost. I wish Georgia played LSU. It would have been like a playoff game for the BCS title spot if they played last Saturday.
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Post by Lancers on Dec 3, 2007 22:07:29 GMT -5
I like the Idea of having a real conferance Champions making it. The ones that have to play a championship game. They deserve the right to be there, because they played on a championship. I think NCAA needs to force the 3 that do not do it to add more teams.(4 for Big East, 1 for Big 10, 2 For Pac 10) It is not right that some conferances have to play a tougher team at the end to win while others can just sit pretty. My philosophy is simple. Either all conferences should play a title game or nobody does. I don't see why the Pac-10 or Big Ten doesn't have a title game regardless of whether they have 12 teams or not. Surely they could change that rule around.
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Post by EvilMasterBetty, Esq. on Dec 5, 2007 11:23:41 GMT -5
Here's what I don't get. Defenders of the BCS say if you want to play for the title, just win all of your games because the regular season is a playoff.
Well then why doesn't Hawaii play? They won all their games. And now they can't play for the national title. That's not a playoff. In no other sport could you go undefeated the entire year through a "playoff" and not play for the championship. How would you feel if in the NFL if the Patriots went undefeated but the NFL said "Well, the AFC East was a very week division and you really didn't play a tough OOD schedule against the AFC North. I think we should go with the Colts in the Superbowl because they played a harder schedule." That would be crap. Yet that's what happens in College football. Just once I want them to admit it's hypocritical to say that the regular season is a playoff yet it doesn't matter how many games you lose since they just choose anyway.
There's easy ways to at least fix some of the problems. First, do what Lancers says and make every conference play a title game. Either change the rule or make them take more teams. Also, open the BCS to all conferences. Very few weak conference teams would crack the rankings to begin with. Plus we wouldn't have controversies like Boise St. or Hawaii. All that's stopping it is the narrow minded BCS conferences admitting that the other Conferences are worthy of consideration.
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Post by Randy Barber 4-Life on Dec 5, 2007 15:40:05 GMT -5
Here's what I don't get. Defenders of the BCS say if you want to play for the title, just win all of your games because the regular season is a playoff. Well then why doesn't Hawaii play? They won all their games. And now they can't play for the national title. That's not a playoff. In no other sport could you go undefeated the entire year through a "playoff" and not play for the championship. How would you feel if in the NFL if the Patriots went undefeated but the NFL said "Well, the AFC East was a very week division and you really didn't play a tough OOD schedule against the AFC North. I think we should go with the Colts in the Superbowl because they played a harder schedule." That would be crap. Yet that's what happens in College football. Just once I want them to admit it's hypocritical to say that the regular season is a playoff yet it doesn't matter how many games you lose since they just choose anyway. There's easy ways to at least fix some of the problems. First, do what Lancers says and make every conference play a title game. Either change the rule or make them take more teams. Also, open the BCS to all conferences. Very few weak conference teams would crack the rankings to begin with. Plus we wouldn't have controversies like Boise St. or Hawaii. All that's stopping it is the narrow minded BCS conferences admitting that the other Conferences are worthy of consideration. In this hypothetical vote-in Superbowl, if the Patriots had rotated between the Dolphins, 49ers, and an arena league team as their OOD schedule then yes, if I had a vote I'd give it to the Colts with a slightly worse record but a significantly stronger schedule. But it's really too apples and oranges. Look, as I'm sure everyone on both sides of this discussion is tired of saying and hearing, Hawaii's strength of schedule just doesn't warrant a spot in the title game. They play in a very weak conference. The only thing they can do about that is lobby to join the PAC-10 and as far as I know that's not happening. That is what it is, and they have to play those teams. But knowing that, they also schedule a very weak non-conference schedule: UNLV (2-10) Washington (4-9) including TWO 1-AA teams: Northern Colorado (1-11) Charleston Southern (5-6) Before the ink even dries on that schedule the AD and coaches know that they've taken themselves out of any serious contention for a National Championship. I promise you, even with their weak conference schedule, Hawaii could earn a spot in the title game. But it would take an honest commitment from the administration to schedule at least three but probably four quality BCS conference teams, probably on the road with no return trip guarantee. Let's say this year, Hawaii's non-conference schedule had looked more like this: Clemson or Virginia Texas or Texas Tech Georgia or Auburn Oregon, Oregon St. or Cal A 12-0 Hawaii team with that schedule would be in the title game this year. Supporters would truly be able to say that Hawaii, as a program, did everything it could to prove itself. They would deserve that spot and there are enough media talking heads who want a non-BCS team to get in that they would be hyped beyond belief. With that resume the only thing that could keep them out would be a season where two BCS conference teams were undefeated, and even in a year like that they'd have a shot of getting in with the "Cinderella" argument, or perhaps an argument for a split championship. The administration at Hawaii knows this. If they don't schedule appropriately, or find a way to join the PAC-10, they really have no one to blame but themselves.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Dec 5, 2007 16:12:41 GMT -5
Here's what I don't get. Defenders of the BCS say if you want to play for the title, just win all of your games because the regular season is a playoff. Well then why doesn't Hawaii play? They won all their games. And now they can't play for the national title. That's not a playoff. In no other sport could you go undefeated the entire year through a "playoff" and not play for the championship. How would you feel if in the NFL if the Patriots went undefeated but the NFL said "Well, the AFC East was a very week division and you really didn't play a tough OOD schedule against the AFC North. I think we should go with the Colts in the Superbowl because they played a harder schedule." That would be crap. Yet that's what happens in College football. Just once I want them to admit it's hypocritical to say that the regular season is a playoff yet it doesn't matter how many games you lose since they just choose anyway. There's easy ways to at least fix some of the problems. First, do what Lancers says and make every conference play a title game. Either change the rule or make them take more teams. Also, open the BCS to all conferences. Very few weak conference teams would crack the rankings to begin with. Plus we wouldn't have controversies like Boise St. or Hawaii. All that's stopping it is the narrow minded BCS conferences admitting that the other Conferences are worthy of consideration. The only mid-major to win the National Title was BYU in 1984. In 1984, unlike 1983, there was no dominant team. The final poll showed it. BYU played a weak schedule(with only one good win against Pitt) and went 12-0. As a result, BYU was invited to not play in the Rose, Sugar, Orange, and Fiesta Bowl but the Holiday Bowl against a 6-5 Michigan. In that game, BYU turned the ball over 5 times and won off a touchdown pass from Robbie Boscoe with under 50 seconds to go. Michigan even led going into the 4th Quarter, 17-10.
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Post by THE Baldy Kendrick on Dec 5, 2007 16:51:19 GMT -5
Look, as I'm sure everyone on both sides of this discussion is tired of saying and hearing, Hawaii's strength of schedule just doesn't warrant a spot in the title game. They play in a very weak conference. The only thing they can do about that is lobby to join the PAC-10 and as far as I know that's not happening. That is what it is, and they have to play those teams. But knowing that, they also schedule a very weak non-conference schedule: UNLV (2-10) Washington (4-9) including TWO 1-AA teams: Northern Colorado (1-11) Charleston Southern (5-6) Before the ink even dries on that schedule the AD and coaches know that they've taken themselves out of any serious contention for a National Championship. I promise you, even with their weak conference schedule, Hawaii could earn a spot in the title game. But it would take an honest commitment from the administration to schedule at least three but probably four quality BCS conference teams, probably on the road with no return trip guarantee. Let's say this year, Hawaii's non-conference schedule had looked more like this: Clemson or Virginia Texas or Texas Tech Georgia or Auburn Oregon, Oregon St. or Cal A 12-0 Hawaii team with that schedule would be in the title game this year. Supporters would truly be able to say that Hawaii, as a program, did everything it could to prove itself. They would deserve that spot and there are enough media talking heads who want a non-BCS team to get in that they would be hyped beyond belief. With that resume the only thing that could keep them out would be a season where two BCS conference teams were undefeated, and even in a year like that they'd have a shot of getting in with the "Cinderella" argument, or perhaps an argument for a split championship. The administration at Hawaii knows this. If they don't schedule appropriately, or find a way to join the PAC-10, they really have no one to blame but themselves. By that logic, an OOC schedule of Youngstown State (7-4 in 1-AA), Akron (4-8), and Washington (4-9) would take a team out of contention for a national championship, right? So get Ohio State out of there, right? Right? P.S.: YOU try getting a good team to make an out-of-conference trip to Hawaii when they could just as easily schedule a home game against Youngstown St.
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Post by Randy Barber 4-Life on Dec 5, 2007 17:24:57 GMT -5
By that logic, an OOC schedule of Youngstown State (7-4 in 1-AA), Akron (4-8), and Washington (4-9) would take a team out of contention for a national championship, right? So get Ohio State out of there, right? Right? P.S.: YOU try getting a good team to make an out-of-conference trip to Hawaii when they could just as easily schedule a home game against Youngstown St. Make no mistake, you're not going to find me defending Ohio St. Their OOC schedule this year is pathetic. I think by and large they tend to have one or two quality OOC games but they didn't this year. But, fair or not, it's reality that Ohio St. and the Big Ten is more prestigious than Hawaii and the WAC, and so with everyone else losing their way out of the game, Ohio St. gets their weak OOC schedule overlooked. I didn't say anything about bringing people to Hawaii. As I said, Hawaii would most likely have to travel for all four of those games and not require a return trip. Admittedly a substantial hit to the home game revenue, quite possibly enough to derail the idea. But a tough OOC is the only way they'll sniff the title game. Here's something I didn't consider though. Is there an NCAA rule mandating a certain amount of home games? It might be flat out impossible to play that many road games.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Dec 5, 2007 19:13:28 GMT -5
By that logic, an OOC schedule of Youngstown State (7-4 in 1-AA), Akron (4-8), and Washington (4-9) would take a team out of contention for a national championship, right? So get Ohio State out of there, right? Right? P.S.: YOU try getting a good team to make an out-of-conference trip to Hawaii when they could just as easily schedule a home game against Youngstown St. Make no mistake, you're not going to find me defending Ohio St. Their OOC schedule this year is pathetic. I think by and large they tend to have one or two quality OOC games but they didn't this year. But, fair or not, it's reality that Ohio St. and the Big Ten is more prestigious than Hawaii and the WAC, and so with everyone else losing their way out of the game, Ohio St. gets their weak OOC schedule overlooked. I didn't say anything about bringing people to Hawaii. As I said, Hawaii would most likely have to travel for all four of those games and not require a return trip. Admittedly a substantial hit to the home game revenue, quite possibly enough to derail the idea. But a tough OOC is the only way they'll sniff the title game. Here's something I didn't consider though. Is there an NCAA rule mandating a certain amount of home games? It might be flat out impossible to play that many road games. Michigan had 8 home games this year, THAT's redicolous
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Post by THE Baldy Kendrick on Dec 6, 2007 19:21:19 GMT -5
By that logic, an OOC schedule of Youngstown State (7-4 in 1-AA), Akron (4-8), and Washington (4-9) would take a team out of contention for a national championship, right? So get Ohio State out of there, right? Right? P.S.: YOU try getting a good team to make an out-of-conference trip to Hawaii when they could just as easily schedule a home game against Youngstown St. Make no mistake, you're not going to find me defending Ohio St. Their OOC schedule this year is pathetic. I think by and large they tend to have one or two quality OOC games but they didn't this year. But, fair or not, it's reality that Ohio St. and the Big Ten is more prestigious than Hawaii and the WAC, and so with everyone else losing their way out of the game, Ohio St. gets their weak OOC schedule overlooked. I didn't say anything about bringing people to Hawaii. As I said, Hawaii would most likely have to travel for all four of those games and not require a return trip. Admittedly a substantial hit to the home game revenue, quite possibly enough to derail the idea. But a tough OOC is the only way they'll sniff the title game. Here's something I didn't consider though. Is there an NCAA rule mandating a certain amount of home games? It might be flat out impossible to play that many road games. And herein lies the problem; Most BCS teams are looking for cupcakes to warm up against so that if they don't have a great game, they can still get an easy win and keep their national championship hopes alive. Hawaii? Forget about scheduling them in September, cause they might... you know, win. All I'm saying is, they compare favorably against the #1 team in the country in the aspect they can control (OOC schedule) and handled their business with the part that they couldn't control. They should have a chance at the title.
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Post by Chuckie Finster on Dec 7, 2007 15:24:00 GMT -5
Alright.
Appalachian State returns to TV tonight on ESPN2 as we take on Richmond in the Division I Semifinals tonight at 8 pm. Look for me and my huge sign and flag. I'll be wearing black and a grey bathrobe.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Dec 8, 2007 21:37:57 GMT -5
And the Heisman Trophy goes to...........
TIM TEBOW, QB, FLORIDA.....
Im doing the Gator chomp in celebration at this moment
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 8, 2007 21:43:55 GMT -5
Congrats to Tebow. I was rooting for DMac, for obvious reasons; but I can't argue against Tim's selection.
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Post by cowbell5000 on Dec 8, 2007 22:15:44 GMT -5
I was rooting for Colt
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