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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Mar 24, 2008 16:27:23 GMT -5
Let's see what do we have?
Hellraiser - Sweet flick
Hellraiser II - Another kickass film
Hellraiser III - Definitely a step in a different direction. But, I liked this one.
Hellraiser: Bloodline - But I didn't think it was horrible. Just, not very good.
Hellraiser: Inferno - Again, another step in a different direction. Okay, not that great.
Hellraiser: Hellseeker - Now I liked this one. It did the same thing as Inferno, but it worked better.
Hellraiser: Deader - This one tried going in that same direction, but it didn't work as well as Hellseeker.
Hellraiser: Hellworld - Didn't see this one, but it really doesn't look that good.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Mar 24, 2008 16:28:47 GMT -5
I can't wait to see the review about the one about Pinhead on the interwebz. I never watched that one.  |
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 24, 2008 19:48:14 GMT -5
I've never seen these films, but at least, by the looks of it, the series accomplished something very, VERY few horror franchises ever do: put together at least two highly received installments before the crap started rolling out.
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Post by acressl on Mar 24, 2008 20:02:09 GMT -5
I just don't, for the life of me, understand why people still smurf with that puzzle box. Also, Fish-face owns.
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Post by plushtar on Mar 24, 2008 20:07:21 GMT -5
I just don't, for the life of me, understand why people still smurf with that puzzle box. Also, Fish-face owns. I figured that the box may have an urban legend-like mystique which continually draws people in. |
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Mar 24, 2008 20:08:40 GMT -5
I just don't, for the life of me, understand why people still smurf with that puzzle box. Also, Fish-face owns. Were I to find one I'd mess with it out of pure morbid curiosity. |
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Post by acressl on Mar 24, 2008 20:12:53 GMT -5
You guys are right. No matter what, you'd be like "yeah, whatever. So, I solve this puzzle and it opens the very gates of hell? I'm so sure guys." And you could be a real dick and ride someone else who had the box. "Loser. I don't think you've got what it takes to solve that puzzle."
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Mar 24, 2008 23:23:27 GMT -5
I figure I'm too stupid to even solve the puzzlebox. So, I oughta be safe.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Mar 24, 2008 23:38:41 GMT -5
I figure I'm too stupid to even solve the puzzlebox. So, I oughta be safe. The box pretty much solves itself using you as it's tool... so even you would be alright Banjo.  |
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Post by Lick Ness Monster on Mar 25, 2008 1:00:31 GMT -5
I just don't, for the life of me, understand why people still smurf with that puzzle box. Also, Fish-face owns. That, I believe, is the very reason why this is such a kickass story and why Barker owns - because even though people KNOW what happens when they open the box, they do it anyway because of their own morbid desires. I know I'm late in the thread, but I gotta say it: Hellraiser 3 is an abomination. An abortion. It violates EVERY principle of the Hellraiser universe. Pinhead, in the first two moves, is all about order and control. Nothing is done without following rules. The Pinhead in Part 3 is all about causing chaos and random destruction. It ruins the entire movie by abandoning the character's core principles and beliefs for the sake of bigger body counts and more carnage. Jed f'n Shaffer ~Bloodlines was so bad, I blocked it out entirely. You make some interesting points, but I actually believe that the rapid turn in Pinhead's character is explained in these movies. Get ready - this is going to get really nerdy. When Channard imprisoned Pinhead in the pillar in Part 2, he did so by separating Eliot Spencer's good side from his form as a cenobite. So while Pinhead of Parts 1-2 obeyed all the rules of the puzzle box, the Pinhead of Part 3 is now completely free of any of Spencer's human decency, and is the pure manifestation of all the evil contained in Spencer's psyche. Thus, the Pinhead in Part 3 doesn't care about the rules - he just wants everyone dead. |
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Post by Lick Ness Monster on Mar 25, 2008 1:15:33 GMT -5
 HELLRAISER: DEADER 2005 Director: Rick Bota While the last three movies in this series vary wildly in quality, one must admit this - Rick Bota seems to truly get the spirit of the series, and focuses the series more on human evil than continuing Parts 3-4's "Cenobites kill everyone" plot. In doing so, Bota was right on track with Barker's original vision for the story, and that continues with "Deader." A lot of people that I talk to absolutely ADORE this movie. And while I didn't find it as enjoyable as most, it's certainly an interesting little tale. Once again, we are watching an extended Rod Serling story. This one concerns an investigative reporter (Kari Wuhrer - why isn't she in more roles? She's smoking hot AND can act) called to look into a strange cult in Bucharest. And what a bunch this cult is. It's led by a demonic guy named Winter (Paul Rhys), and this Winter - he's one of the best characters in the entire series. You really can't put it into words, but most "Hellraiser" entries feature their standard pleasure-seeking character. While most of them are out for merely personal gratification or view the box as some sort of sexual gain, this character is just fascinated by the prospect of death, and of reaching into the world thereafter. Rhys plays him really well, making him perhaps the best human villain the story has had since legendary Frank himself. Bota also makes excellent use of subplots and atmosphere in this movie. There is a scene in this movie where Amy (that's Wuhrer) finds a strange corpse in her room - the entire setup is artfully done, and we expect some cheap jump scare scene seconds after Amy discovers this corpse. But the scene drags on and on, and as it jumps to another subject, long after we've forgotten about the corpse...very effective moment. And, of course, eventually all of the Deaders have to meet their maker for messing with the forces of darkness, leading us back to the entire theme of this movie series in the first place. Doug Bradley isn't in this film much, but when he is, he makes it count. Overall, I found this to be an enjoyable flick. Definitely not as good as the first three movies, but it certainly has a lot going for it, most notably Wuhrer and Rhys - certainly one of the better acted movies in the series (maybe even better acted than the first!). *** |
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Post by Lick Ness Monster on Mar 25, 2008 1:26:31 GMT -5
 HELLRAISER: HELLWORLD 2005 Director: Rick Bota Ah...here we are. It was bound to happen sooner or later. Just like the incredibly crappy later "Halloween" movies before it - it's "Hellraiser" goes computer! Once again, this movie was helmed by Rick Bota. And while he adheres to the general, Clive Barker theme of the story, I'll cut right to the chase - this movie is crap. Many people suspect that all of the later "Hellraiser" films from "Inferno" onward were just separate horro scripts that they picked up and said "how do we put Pinhead in this." This is the only one that I know of that LITERALLY has that exact story - it was based on a script called "Dark Can't Breathe," about kids getting slaughtered in an online game. A producer picked it up, decided to make it a Pinhead flick, and this is what we got. At least - AT LEAST - this movie does feature Lance Henriksen in something. The guy is a phenomenally underrated actor (I've got wrestling on the brain - I was about to say worker:)), and while his role here is of the worst hammy sort, it's certainly a joy to see him. The rest of this movie? Avoid like the plague. As much as it pains me to do it, I must explain the plot. Hopefully this won't take long - let's see how many sentences I can compress this down to. Group of kids become addicted to macabre online game, one of the friends dies. Despite this fact, they are invited to creepy mansion for a live party to play this game, where all sorts of Cenobite shenanigans occur and "The Host" - the supposed owner of the mansion who invited the kids - turns out to be the deceased boy's father. And that's it, people. This is an idea that just about any of us could come up with, and this is what Clive Barker's great, phenomenal, original story idea has come to. And while again I commend Rick Bota for picking a direction for the series and sticking to it - sorry, this one was just a total misfire on every level. Awful acting, cheesy dialogue, grainy and dingy looking - bad bad BAD. * |
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Post by Lick Ness Monster on Mar 25, 2008 1:32:20 GMT -5
TR'S RANKING OF THE SERIES, FROM BEST TO WORST
1. Hellbound - Epic in scale, visually stunning, awesome expansion on the themes from the original, a badass villain in Dr. Channard, and even a decent performance from Ashley Laurence make this an absolute classic
2. Hellraiser - Barker's directorial debut is one of the best HUMAN stories in horror history
3. Hell on Earth - Total fun from start to finish, featuring Doug Bradley onscreen as Pinhead more than any other movie in the series
4. Deader - One of the darker entries in the series, and director Rick Bota manages to tell an engaging story about human darkness once again with a strange death cult
5. Inferno - An homage/ripoff of "The Twilight Zone" that partially succeeds; one of the more interesting twist endings of the series
6. Hellseeker - Forget Hell on Earth; THIS is the movie that backtracks completely on the previous films, featuring Kirsty Cotton willfully making deals with Cenobites. It's "Inferno" only with a MUCH less interesting story
7. Bloodline - Well, what can you say about this one? It's Pinhead in Space, featuring three boring stories each more boring than the last
8. Hellworld - Pinhead finally goes full-on B-movie
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Post by Brain Of F'n J on Mar 25, 2008 7:56:16 GMT -5
I know I'm late in the thread, but I gotta say it: Hellraiser 3 is an abomination. An abortion. It violates EVERY principle of the Hellraiser universe. Pinhead, in the first two moves, is all about order and control. Nothing is done without following rules. The Pinhead in Part 3 is all about causing chaos and random destruction. It ruins the entire movie by abandoning the character's core principles and beliefs for the sake of bigger body counts and more carnage. Jed f'n Shaffer ~Bloodlines was so bad, I blocked it out entirely. You make some interesting points, but I actually believe that the rapid turn in Pinhead's character is explained in these movies. Get ready - this is going to get really nerdy. When Channard imprisoned Pinhead in the pillar in Part 2, he did so by separating Eliot Spencer's good side from his form as a cenobite. So while Pinhead of Parts 1-2 obeyed all the rules of the puzzle box, the Pinhead of Part 3 is now completely free of any of Spencer's human decency, and is the pure manifestation of all the evil contained in Spencer's psyche. Thus, the Pinhead in Part 3 doesn't care about the rules - he just wants everyone dead. Equally over-nerdy counter-point - The push for order and clinical process and whatnot that was a hallmark of Pinhead's character is a part--in my view, anyway--of being a servant of Leviathan. It isn't Spencer's human side that gave the Cenobites their codes of conduct; it is simply the rules of Hell. As a Cenobite, he is bound to these rules, whether he has any trace of Spencer in him or not. Jed f'n Shaffer ~But we definitely agree on 1 and 2 being AWESOME, and Bloodlines sucking the light fantastic. |
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Post by Jiren on Mar 25, 2008 9:13:23 GMT -5
I'm just gonna throw in, Channard was Awesome
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Post by barrygibb on Mar 25, 2008 10:26:17 GMT -5
The Hellraiser films have to be the scariest of any Horror film franchises. For me, its the S & M pain and pleasure thing that worries me. It reminds me of painful late 1980's violent sex.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 25, 2008 11:32:38 GMT -5
I know I'm late in the thread, but I gotta say it: Hellraiser 3 is an abomination. An abortion. It violates EVERY principle of the Hellraiser universe. Pinhead, in the first two moves, is all about order and control. Nothing is done without following rules. The Pinhead in Part 3 is all about causing chaos and random destruction. It ruins the entire movie by abandoning the character's core principles and beliefs for the sake of bigger body counts and more carnage. Jed f'n Shaffer ~Bloodlines was so bad, I blocked it out entirely. I agree; It totally missed the point. Hell (no pun intended), Clive Barker originally intended to focus the series on Julia (Claire Higgins), not that HRIII can be blamed for not having her. The part that annoyed me the most about HRIII is the blatant attempt to "Freddy-fy" Pinhead by giving him one-liners and making him a deadpan joker. Then there's the whole "Gimmick" Cenobite crap; That being said, HRIII would be forgiven if it had a "Gooker" Cenobite. One last thing about it: I hate how everyone calls him "Pinhead." In the first movie, as pointed out earlier, he was credited as "Lead Cenobite." In Hellbound, he was credited as "Pinhead Cenobite." I hate this whole attempt at making him a household name in HRIII. But all of this pales in comparison to HRIV. |
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Post by Lick Ness Monster on Mar 26, 2008 0:06:50 GMT -5
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Mar 26, 2008 0:09:33 GMT -5
Hey now, those were two quality pages! Would you have preferred me and Deadpool rantin' and ravin' about a completely unrelated topic in the midst of that? Didn't think so. High five for 2 great pages!
*don't leave me hangin', bro*
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Mar 26, 2008 0:13:19 GMT -5
Hey now, those were two quality pages! Would you have preferred me and Deadpool rantin' and ravin' about a completely unrelated topic in the midst of that? Didn't think so. High five for 2 great pages! *don't leave me hangin', bro* Dude I could have so ranted and raved about that ON TOPIC! I must have missed it when it happened, but me and my friends have had Puppet Master marathons in the past (use Friday and Saturday nights to watch ALL of them, and all the demonic toys, ended by watch Puppet Master Vs. Demonic Toys). |
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