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Post by Baixo Astral on Jan 2, 2008 8:53:29 GMT -5
JR has earned the right to comment on pretty much whatever he wants, through having been involved in the business in many capacities since before many posters here, myself included, were born.
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Post by lotus on Jan 2, 2008 8:57:45 GMT -5
JR has earned the right to comment on pretty much whatever he wants, through having been involved in the business in many capacities since before many posters here, myself included, were born. Thank You for that Spike. While skimming the thread, it seems not many like Good' Ol JR anymore. I, myself, haven't ever really minded him but alas, people need to find a reason to bitch at people anymore.
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Post by hutter on Jan 2, 2008 9:14:19 GMT -5
JR has earned the right to comment on pretty much whatever he wants, through having been involved in the business in many capacities since before many posters here, myself included, were born. Thank You for that Spike. While skimming the thread, it seems not many like Good' Ol JR anymore. I, myself, haven't ever really minded him but alas, people need to find a reason to bitch at people anymore. IMO, Ross is one of the best commentators wrestling ever produced. But that doesn't give him a pass when he gets his facts all screwy. On the AWA dvd, he doesn't pass up a chance to put down the Superclash III PPV, saying that he and the others in the UWF refused to have anything to do with it since they knew it would flop. Superclash III was held December 13, 1988. When did the UWF close it's doors? As a Watts' promotion, April 1987, and Jim Crockett killed it for good by that years December. If Ross has to lie, he should put more effort into it. Since I brought up Superclash III, our hero VKM said he wasn't worried about it succeeding and dismised it. Well, then why did he contact the Illionois athletic commision and report that Kerry Von Erich was missing part of a limp, knowing that he would interfere if not cause the cancellation of the Superclash III main event? Anyhoo...Jim Ross lies, VKM lies, blah blah blah. Like we all didn't already know.
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Post by Baixo Astral on Jan 2, 2008 9:33:19 GMT -5
Thank You for that Spike. While skimming the thread, it seems not many like Good' Ol JR anymore. I, myself, haven't ever really minded him but alas, people need to find a reason to bitch at people anymore. IMO, Ross is one of the best commentators wrestling ever produced. But that doesn't give him a pass when he gets his facts all screwy. On the AWA dvd, he doesn't pass up a chance to put down the Superclash III PPV, saying that he and the others in the UWF refused to have anything to do with it since they knew it would flop. Superclash III was held December 13, 1988. When did the UWF close it's doors? As a Watts' promotion, April 1987, and Jim Crockett killed it for good by that years December. If Ross has to lie, he should put more effort into it. Since I brought up Superclash III, our hero VKM said he wasn't worried about it succeeding and dismised it. Well, then why did he contact the Illionois athletic commision and report that Kerry Von Erich was missing part of a limp, knowing that he would interfere if not cause the cancellation of the Superclash III main event? Anyhoo...Jim Ross lies, VKM lies, blah blah blah. Like we all didn't already know. True... doesn't give him a free pass to lie and get his facts wrong, but he has more right than most to pass comment. Personally, I like him for his past work, but he is losing his full-time commentary usefulness these days.
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Post by Squirrel Master on Jan 2, 2008 11:34:55 GMT -5
The truth is, JR never even heard of wrestling until he started for the WWF. ^^^ Sarcasm, I'm sure. I'll be a dick and quote myself. Jim Ross was at his best some 20 years ago, in the UWF CIRCA 1986. You young sprouts should have heard his calls back in the day. Who will ever forget when the Freebirds attempted to piledrive Dr. Death Steve Williams on the concrete floor. As Ted DiBiase rushed to ringside all hell broke loose with promoter Bill Watts pummeling Michael Hayes mercilessly right in front of the cameras. J.R.'s play-by-play was high drama as he called the action of a most spectacular brawl. Jim Ross in a toga at WM IX > Good Old J.R. in black cowboy hat.
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Jan 2, 2008 11:57:35 GMT -5
I don't really mind that about him too much, but what I do have issues with is someone like Cena making comments about older wrestlers, like he was around then. When they show people like Steamboat, DiBiase and Okerlund, to me it just seems off when the next guy they show talking about a legendary performer is Cena. Not too big of a deal, but I guess I'm just biased against Cena, so...yeah.
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Post by warriorthug4edge on Jan 2, 2008 12:45:46 GMT -5
Thank You for that Spike. While skimming the thread, it seems not many like Good' Ol JR anymore. I, myself, haven't ever really minded him but alas, people need to find a reason to bitch at people anymore. IMO, Ross is one of the best commentators wrestling ever produced. But that doesn't give him a pass when he gets his facts all screwy. On the AWA dvd, he doesn't pass up a chance to put down the Superclash III PPV, saying that he and the others in the UWF refused to have anything to do with it since they knew it would flop. Superclash III was held December 13, 1988. When did the UWF close it's doors? As a Watts' promotion, April 1987, and Jim Crockett killed it for good by that years December. If Ross has to lie, he should put more effort into it. Since I brought up Superclash III, our hero VKM said he wasn't worried about it succeeding and dismised it. Well, then why did he contact the Illionois athletic commision and report that Kerry Von Erich was missing part of a limp, knowing that he would interfere if not cause the cancellation of the Superclash III main event? Anyhoo...Jim Ross lies, VKM lies, blah blah blah. Like we all didn't already know. There's a part of me that thinks when JR talked about that in the DVD, he was really talking about the first SuperClash, which took place during the peak of the Mid-South/UWF run, then was edited to make it look like JR knew all along that Superclash III would bite the dust
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Post by hutter on Jan 2, 2008 14:46:21 GMT -5
IMO, Ross is one of the best commentators wrestling ever produced. But that doesn't give him a pass when he gets his facts all screwy. On the AWA dvd, he doesn't pass up a chance to put down the Superclash III PPV, saying that he and the others in the UWF refused to have anything to do with it since they knew it would flop. Superclash III was held December 13, 1988. When did the UWF close it's doors? As a Watts' promotion, April 1987, and Jim Crockett killed it for good by that years December. If Ross has to lie, he should put more effort into it. Since I brought up Superclash III, our hero VKM said he wasn't worried about it succeeding and dismised it. Well, then why did he contact the Illionois athletic commision and report that Kerry Von Erich was missing part of a limp, knowing that he would interfere if not cause the cancellation of the Superclash III main event? Anyhoo...Jim Ross lies, VKM lies, blah blah blah. Like we all didn't already know. There's a part of me that thinks when JR talked about that in the DVD, he was really talking about the first SuperClash, which took place during the peak of the Mid-South/UWF run, then was edited to make it look like JR knew all along that Superclash III would bite the dust But why would the dvd editors do that? Whether it's the fault of Ross, McMahon or whoever, that's pretty damn sloppy. I guess they figure that wrestling fans have the memories of fleas and a few facts switched around for completely unrelated subjects is fair game.
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Post by warriorthug4edge on Jan 3, 2008 1:42:47 GMT -5
Considering what the WWE to Paul Roma on the 4 Horsemen DVD, nothing, and I mean NOTHING, would shock me in regards to that.
(For those who haven't heard the story, Roma was actually fairly complimentary towards Anderson and Flair when originally interviewed, but was told that those two buried him. Roma goes off on his "Ric Flair wishes he were me" tirade, and they bring the interview back, where Anderson and Flair rip Roma to shreds.)
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 3, 2008 3:23:35 GMT -5
I don't really mind that about him too much, but what I do have issues with is someone like Cena making comments about older wrestlers, like he was around then. When they show people like Steamboat, DiBiase and Okerlund, to me it just seems off when the next guy they show talking about a legendary performer is Cena. Not too big of a deal, but I guess I'm just biased against Cena, so...yeah. Well they like to add the current sueprstars in the mix generally to get a fans perspective of whoever they're talking about. for instance why Edge, Christian and Jericho were on the Warrior DVD.
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Post by Sparvid on Jan 3, 2008 3:32:35 GMT -5
Maybe JR marked for the Rockers? I don't think he should be restricted to talking about WWE post-1993. In fact I'm still hoping he'll reference having to seriously put Robocop over in 1990. "By Gawd, King! I haven't heard Robocop's music in a long long time! But there he is, saving Cena from Orton!"
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Post by SWH - Shane Hero on Jan 3, 2008 4:18:06 GMT -5
"Well King a very impressive first outing for this newcomer Ted Dibiase in this 15 man battle royale. He's a bright young star with a big future ahead of him. I'm sure we'll be seeing much more of this young man. We'll be back right after this commercial with more of the Raw 15 year anniversary of wrestling."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2008 4:29:20 GMT -5
so wait... whats worse? JR knowing older wrestlers or King thinking Hacksaw is young?
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Post by seano on Jan 3, 2008 9:09:33 GMT -5
Guess what, I wasn't really watching wrestling back in the early 1980's. I wasn't even a fan yet when Hogan first won the title again the Iron Shiek - I started watching full-time until 1989. I was introduced to WCW in late 1993. And I didn't watch ECW at the time either.
Does that mean I can't comment on those things ever? NO.
If I have some sort of educated opinion on something that I didn't see and partake in at the time, I'd certainly have a right to say something or make an analysis of something.
So Jim Ross - a guy who knows wrestling history and every facet of the industry, who probably actually knows every single important wrestler from the last, oh, 35 years, and who has watched more wrestling than any fan probably ever has or will - has every right to comment on anything remotely related to wrestling, whether he was personally there or not.
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