Is it just me or are they making Taker WM fueds...

[doytch]

Mar 31, 2008 20:29:16 GMT -5 Feargus McReddit said:

less interesting to plan?

I was chatting to my friend about this after 'Mania and we eventually discussed how Orton pinned Cena which I didn't quite know considering I hadn't watched the match.

I thought about it for a while and realised that this was quite a dumb move. Mostly because they've just let a potential money maker slip out of their hands.

Think about it. How much more of an interesting match would it have been at Mania if Edge was still undefeated? He wasn't involved at MITB and instead faced someone else and won. Instead of people thinking 'He hasn't got a streak because he didn't win MITB' and the 'E having to use the 'Never been pinned/submitted' route, people would be thinking 'Hang on, Edge is undefeated too at Mania, Edge might possibly win this' and you wouldn't need to do much apart from that. If Taker won, he would be killing another undefeated streak to maintain his own.

Back to Cena. Let's imagine that Cena won at 'Mania. Some of you may not like it but stay with me here. Think about the build to Wrestlemania 25 at Houston, Texas. Hometown of the Undertaker.

Cena vs. Undertaker for a World title.
Streak vs. Streak.
Fan Favourite vs. Fan Favourite.

Look at that and tell me that wouldn't draw a huge amount of people just to see this match. The crowd was buzzing when they fought before Cyber Sunday a couple of years back and that whole thing lasted 5 minutes before it was thrown out.

It might seem nitpicky and it might seem silly to point out, but I can't help but feel they let slip a potential drawing match. A HUGE Potentially drawing match.

But instead, we're just going to get the same fued as before. Which has worked before, certainly, but it would have been nice to spice it up a bit, you know.

undertaker is not dumb move. i dont care if you have to or not but undertaker have undefeated at wrestlemania since wrestlemania started. you have been happier if edge winning? well it didtn happen get over with it. edge, yes nice name if you are a mountain.

[samachine]

I hate Taker WM feuds


oh wow, because Taker needs an undefeated streak.. Because Taker's not a legit threat already.
Take a page from Flair, Taker.. JOB

[Bub (BLM)]

Apr 1, 2008 20:34:16 GMT -5 @samachine said:

I hate Taker WM feuds


oh wow, because Taker needs an undefeated streak.. Because Taker's not a legit threat already.
Take a page from Flair, Taker.. JOB

My feelings exactly.

[phenomphan]

I honestly think Taker would be up for the idea of Shawn ending his streak, but I'm not sure if HBK would be. Here's a quote from Shawn's book:

"He (Undertaker) always told me, 'You always delivered in the ring, Shawn. That was good enough for me.' Mark was different from everyone. It was as if there was Mark, and then there was everybody else. He was untouchable. His gimmick was so over, his work was unparalleled. He was so secure in himself and his character. To me, he was Cool Hand Luke, an entity unto himself. I was thrilled to have the opportunity to work with him."

Based on that, I honestly think Shawn would want Taker to keep that undefeated streak as something he can look back on for his legacy. Those two have so much history and respect for each other which is why a match with them would be so much more epic than Cena/Taker and I'd have no clue who'd win. And for the first time, I wouldn't care if the streak was ended by HBK. Plus it would probably be the last time I got to see my two favorite wrestlers in the ring. I really want to see this match next year.

[DeadManFan13]

The Undertaker is a traditionalist. The company knows that the streak isn't going to be broken, and it shouldn't be.

I think people are forgetting that Taker is looking at retirement. He's got two hip surgeries in the future, He's bought property in Colorado, and he's got the title again. What's left to do for him?

Honestly as a fan of the man I'd like to see him go out in character at Survivor Series. Where he began is where he will end. It has a nice ring to it.

I just don't foresee another WM match in the works. Not unless he holds the title for an entire year, which given his track record most likely won't happen.

[Loki]

I just don't get how Undertaker is getting so many free passes around here.

Had another old Superstar won the World Title TWICE in a row at WrestleMania, the board would have exploded.

But since it's the Phenom, our beloved Deadman, and he has a winning streak at Mania, it's ok... No actually we're even happy he's been going over pretty much every guy on the roster.

As long as it was against "Earthquake-ish" opponents, it was tolerable: a feud designed to give Taker a credible opponent who had no actual chance to win.
Have him squash Mark Henry or Snitsky until WrestleMania LXXIV, I don't care.
But then they started putting him back into the title picture or defeating main eventers... the future is there

Orton should have won at WMXXI... you know, the Legend Killer angle... but no.
Batista maybe, but hey, after all Undertaker deserved a last hooray, and Big Dave had his moment of glory already.
Then Edge... who looked even more stupid and weak than usual. He used every possible move, 1 Edgecution, 1 Edge'omatic and TWO spears... just to tap to the idiotic blowjob of death (with Taker's shoulders on the mat for a good 30 seconds).

16-0 my ass... And Triple H still gets crap for having defeated *gasp* Booker T and Jericho. And he's now 0-4 since then.

Hell, even SuperCena finally lost, for the good of the company. But the Deadman won't.

Hogan v Taker at WMXXV: Ego v Ego. Immortal v Immortal. Book it!

[mo]

Well the story is that Orton was supposed to win (who knows how true that is), but was injured (true as he jobbed to Batista the next night and was out for a few months) so they decided not to waste it. And Edge came out looking good in the match at Mania, it was a "lucky win" for Taker.

And Taker hardly ever has the belt which is why I'm sure some don't mind it. Not like he had a horribly boring in reign from 02-03 that soured many on him.

[Loki]

Apr 2, 2008 3:52:03 GMT -5 mo said:

Well the story is that Orton was supposed to win (who knows how true that is), but was injured (true as he jobbed to Batista the next night and was out for a few months) so they decided not to waste it. And Edge came out looking good in the match at Mania, it was a "lucky win" for Taker.

Lucky win or not, Taker CAN'T lose at WrestleMania, no matter what his opponent throws at him.
It's getting to Hoganesque levels of predictability.

And Taker hardly ever has the belt which is why I'm sure some don't mind it. Not like he had a horribly boring in reign from 02-03 that soured many on him.

I'd rather have an horribly boring reign by a dominant Superstar (Hogan, HHH, Cena) than a veteran, working on a lighter schedule, resurfacing every year a couple of months before WrestleMania just to claim another victim, and now the WHC for two years straight.

[thesunbeast]

I agree with everything you've said here.

I do think that Undertaker vs HBK would be the best NOW though, but Undertaker vs an Undefeated cena would have been better. People would be gong crazy once 'Taker put Cena in the STFU, and they would have also gone crazy once 'Taker put Cena in the triangle choke of death.

[Red 'n' Black Reggie]

am i weird because i seriously saw a chance that batista last year and edge this year would break the streak?

and also, cena/taker at WM25 for both belts would be the summit of wrestling. imagine cena locking in the STFU, in houston. tell me that match wouldn't keep you on the edge of your seat.

and i don't get how taker losing is "for the good of the company". every year his feud has a unique dimension. even if you personally don't see undie being beaten, there are a great amount of people who buy into that, myself included. alot of money can be made from the streak vs title feud, which makes undertaker beating the world and his wife be very much for the good of the company, in my humble opinion.

[Feargus McReddit]

Apr 1, 2008 20:26:33 GMT -5 doytch said:

Mar 31, 2008 20:29:16 GMT -5 Feargus McReddit said:

less interesting to plan?

I was chatting to my friend about this after 'Mania and we eventually discussed how Orton pinned Cena which I didn't quite know considering I hadn't watched the match.

I thought about it for a while and realised that this was quite a dumb move. Mostly because they've just let a potential money maker slip out of their hands.

Think about it. How much more of an interesting match would it have been at Mania if Edge was still undefeated? He wasn't involved at MITB and instead faced someone else and won. Instead of people thinking 'He hasn't got a streak because he didn't win MITB' and the 'E having to use the 'Never been pinned/submitted' route, people would be thinking 'Hang on, Edge is undefeated too at Mania, Edge might possibly win this' and you wouldn't need to do much apart from that. If Taker won, he would be killing another undefeated streak to maintain his own.

Back to Cena. Let's imagine that Cena won at 'Mania. Some of you may not like it but stay with me here. Think about the build to Wrestlemania 25 at Houston, Texas. Hometown of the Undertaker.

Cena vs. Undertaker for a World title.
Streak vs. Streak.
Fan Favourite vs. Fan Favourite.

Look at that and tell me that wouldn't draw a huge amount of people just to see this match. The crowd was buzzing when they fought before Cyber Sunday a couple of years back and that whole thing lasted 5 minutes before it was thrown out.

It might seem nitpicky and it might seem silly to point out, but I can't help but feel they let slip a potential drawing match. A HUGE Potentially drawing match.

But instead, we're just going to get the same fued as before. Which has worked before, certainly, but it would have been nice to spice it up a bit, you know.

undertaker is not dumb move. i dont care if you have to or not but undertaker have undefeated at wrestlemania since wrestlemania started. you have been happier if edge winning? well it didtn happen get over with it. edge, yes nice name if you are a mountain.

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